3/8ST-Cubs (Miller) v Pads (Maddux) 2:05CT, XM177

[MustangMike]

Pie AB, Iz on 2nd, 2 outs:

 

Pitch 1: Strike

Pitch 2: Foul

Pitch 3: Ball

Pitch 4: 4 - 3

 

CUT HIM!

 

Yeah, Pierre could have done the same thing but in fewer pitches.

 

darn right! lol

[Guest]

Am I reading something wrong. Wood has 4 runs on 1 hit, one error and no BB?

 

HBP, BB, E6, HR/2out = 4R/1ER

 

Did they change the rules of scoring? When I was a kid, all these runs would have been unearned because without the error the inning would have been over. I'm not saying it makes sense, but that's the way it was.

 

Haha, anyone have a clue? I always worked under the assumption the HR and everything on is earned.

 

I think the baserunner is unearned, but the hitter is earned regardless of the timing of the error.

Nope. All runs are unearned if the third out in the inning would have already been registered.

 

As an example, I remember when Cruz gave up 7 unearned runs in an inning when there was only one error, but since the runs scored after the error would have accounted for the third out none of the runs were earned.

 

The kicker is that the error was on Cruz. :)

[CubColtPacer]

If they don't end up changing those statistics from the box score, remember this game when looking at Wood's ERA this spring-with the amount of innings that he is likely to throw, those 4 runs are going to be a huge difference to his overall numbers for the spring.

[sweetpeteman]

Robles AB, 1on, no outs:

 

Pitch 1: Strike

Pitch 2: Ball, McAnulty out at 2nd

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Now I'm confused. Is Tim correct?

 

I changed the box score - I'd defer to Tim on this, I'm sure he knows better than I.

 

Wish MLB.com would update their box score to charge Cesar with the error.

[BeerHere]

Who is pitching?

 

Smith: Mr. Anderson

[Danny82]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

so if the inning would have continued and more runs scored, would they be considered earned, as well?

 

After the HR, because the HR is on Woody.

 

He can give up 6 HRs in a row after their are two outs and an error and none of them will be earned runs.

[sweetpeteman]

Robles AB, 1 on, 1 out:

 

Pitch 1: Strike

Pitch 2: Ball, McAnulty out at 2nd

Pitch 3: 2 - 3

 

2 outs

[Bull]

Now I'm confused. Is Tim correct?

 

always

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

Woodchip is right. Any runs scored after there are two outs and there has been an error (where the guy didn't later get out) should be unearned.

 

Intuitively, it makes sense.

[Danny82]

Now I'm confused. Is Tim correct?

 

Yes.

[BeerHere]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

Woodchip is right. Any runs scored after there are two outs and there has been an error (where the guy didn't later get out) should be unearned.

 

Intuitively, it makes sense.

 

I disagree. An argument could easily be made that the batter (after the error) has nothing to do with the previous hitter. IMO, that run should be on Woody.

[98navigator]

Jerry doesn't know anything. LOL, he's asking Masur for the answers...

[sweetpeteman]

I hate the PBP guys, they skip way to many pitches.

[sweetpeteman]

Huffman AB, 2 outs, none on:

 

Pitch 1: Strike

Pitch 2: Ball

Pitch 3: Strike

Pitch 4: Ball

Pitch 5: Foul

Pitch 6: Ball

Pitch 7: STEEEEEEEEEEERIKE!!!!

 

GJ Anderson

[woodchip2153]

I have another question. What if after the home run the Cubs brought in a different pitcher; would all the runs he gives up after that be considered unearned? If so, I want that gig.

[sweetpeteman]

Bottom 6

 

Anderson still pitching

Soto catching

Perez, T as SS

 

McAnulty: BB

Robles: McAnulty caught stealing, 2 - 3

Huffman: K

 

5 - 5

[BeerHere]

STEEEEEEEEEEEKKK!

[justlikethecubs]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

Woodchip is right. Any runs scored after there are two outs and there has been an error (where the guy didn't later get out) should be unearned.

 

Intuitively, it makes sense.

 

I disagree. An argument could easily be made that the batter (after the error) has nothing to do with the previous hitter. IMO, that run should be on Woody.

 

Batter that hit the HR would not have batted in the inning had the error not been committed.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

                       1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9   R  H  E
                      -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -
 CHICAGO CUBS         0  2  0   3  0  0             5 10  1
 SAN DIEGO            0  1  0   4  0  0             5  8  2    (END 6)

Cubs              IP  H  R ER BB SO HBP HR
-------------------------------------------
Wade Miller      3.0  6  1  1  2  2  0   1
Kerry Wood       1.0  1  4  0  0  3  1   1
Jason Anderson   2.0  1  0  0  1  3  0   0  

    HOME RUNS:  SD - G. BLUM (OFF MILLER), T. SLEDGE (GS, OFF WOOD)
    DOUBLES: B. COATS, B. DOPIRAK
    ERROR: C. IZTURIS

[cheapseats]

I have another question. What if after the home run the Cubs brought in a different pitcher; would all the runs he gives up after that be considered unearned? If so, I want that gig.

 

One of many reasons that ERA shouldn't be the sole way to measure a pitcher's performance.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Why is it an earned run when there were 2 outs and an error?

 

He gave up a homer with the bases juiced

 

Izzy with another hit

 

Woodchip is right. Any runs scored after there are two outs and there has been an error (where the guy didn't later get out) should be unearned.

 

Intuitively, it makes sense.

 

I disagree. An argument could easily be made that the batter (after the error) has nothing to do with the previous hitter. IMO, that run should be on Woody.

 

Without the error, the inning is over.

[sweetpeteman]

Hoffman pitching for the Friars

[sweetpeteman]

Top 7:

 

Hoffman in to pitch

 

Theriot AB:

 

Pitch 1: Ball

Pitch 2: Foul

Pitch 3: Ball

Pitch 4: Pop out foul

[sweetpeteman]

Murton AB, 1 out:

 

Pitch 1: Ball

Pitch 2: Strike

Pitch 3: Fly out to left