BA's Top 100 List

[CaliforniaRaisin]

They're going to post it on their website sometime this coming week. In Ask BA last week, Jim Callis noted that Tyler Colvin and Sean Gallagher were close to making the list.

 

Obviously Felix Pie and Donnie Veal made the list, Jeff Samardzija probably made it too.

[craig]

I've noted this before. But if Pie, Sam and Veal are top 50-ish, and Gallagher/Colvin are near the top-100 level, and Guzman and Marmol are good-talent prospects even if they aren't list-eligible, the farm system isn't in all that bad a shape. And that's without mentioning the guy Pecota seems to think is better than Zambrano (Eric).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I've noted this before. But if Pie, Sam and Veal are top 50-ish, and Gallagher/Colvin are near the top-100 level, and Guzman and Marmol are good-talent prospects even if they aren't list-eligible, the farm system isn't in all that bad a shape. And that's without mentioning the guy Pecota seems to think is better than Zambrano (Eric).

 

And the young guys who were at Mesa and the Dominican last year (hey, I'm optimistic).

[RichHillIsABeast]

I'm interested in seeing how Colvin climbs the list in coming years. I think we're about to see a power explosion from him this season.

[RynoRules]

Perception is reality in some cases. It would be nice if we were rated higher if only to increase perceived trade value of some of our prospects. I am always interested in the predicted "ETAs" as well.

[CoolHandLuke]

49. Felix Pie

52. Donald Veal

80. Jeff Samardzija

 

link

 

Chat at 1:30 cst

[Mephistopheles]

i asked two questions:

 

1. Comparing Huseby and Betances

2. How close were other Cubs

[TruffleShuffle]

no Eric Patterson? Terrible list.

[Outshined_One]

There were most definitely some...interesting choices and rankings on that list.

 

Some I fully agree with (Matsuzaka at #1), but others either carry a serious media bias with them or are a bit too ceiling-happy for my tastes.

[illiniguy]

There were most definitely some...interesting choices and rankings on that list.

 

Some I fully agree with (Matsuzaka at #1), but others either carry a serious media bias with them or are a bit too ceiling-happy for my tastes.

Think about the fact that a 26 year old with no minor league experience is rated the number 1 prospect in all of baseball. Over Alex Gordon and Delmon Young.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

There were most definitely some...interesting choices and rankings on that list.

 

Some I fully agree with (Matsuzaka at #1), but others either carry a serious media bias with them or are a bit too ceiling-happy for my tastes.

Think about the fact that a 26 year old with no minor league experience is rated the number 1 prospect in all of baseball. Over Alex Gordon and Delmon Young.

 

He deserves to be #1. Daisuke's definitely the best prospect with no major league experience.

[Outshined_One]

Building on what Raisin has said, Matsuzaka has faced a much higher level of competition than any of the minor leaguers on the list and been dominant. Technically, he is still a prospect, as he has no major league experience whatsoever.

[A New Era]

I think Samardzija will climb up on that list as the years go on.

[Guest]

There were most definitely some...interesting choices and rankings on that list.

 

Some I fully agree with (Matsuzaka at #1), but others either carry a serious media bias with them or are a bit too ceiling-happy for my tastes.

Think about the fact that a 26 year old with no minor league experience is rated the number 1 prospect in all of baseball. Over Alex Gordon and Delmon Young.

 

He deserves to be #1. Daisuke's definitely the best prospect with no major league experience.

 

I still believe players from the Japanese Pro League should NOT be allow to be consider a "ROY Candidate" or a "prospect." Dice-K, like Ichiro were/are not rookies at the time of the ML debut. Nor should they be considered ROY awards.

[Drew Doughty]

There were most definitely some...interesting choices and rankings on that list.

 

Some I fully agree with (Matsuzaka at #1), but others either carry a serious media bias with them or are a bit too ceiling-happy for my tastes.

Think about the fact that a 26 year old with no minor league experience is rated the number 1 prospect in all of baseball. Over Alex Gordon and Delmon Young.

 

He deserves to be #1. Daisuke's definitely the best prospect with no major league experience.

 

I still believe players from the Japanese Pro League should NOT be allow to be consider a "ROY Candidate" or a "prospect." Dice-K, like Ichiro were/are not rookies at the time of the ML debut. Nor should they be considered ROY awards.

 

uh. why?

[imb]

There were most definitely some...interesting choices and rankings on that list.

 

Some I fully agree with (Matsuzaka at #1), but others either carry a serious media bias with them or are a bit too ceiling-happy for my tastes.

Think about the fact that a 26 year old with no minor league experience is rated the number 1 prospect in all of baseball. Over Alex Gordon and Delmon Young.

 

He deserves to be #1. Daisuke's definitely the best prospect with no major league experience.

 

I still believe players from the Japanese Pro League should NOT be allow to be consider a "ROY Candidate" or a "prospect." Dice-K, like Ichiro were/are not rookies at the time of the ML debut. Nor should they be considered ROY awards.

 

Yeah, definitely not rookies. Daisuke came over after throwing 1,000 major league innings, and Ichiro had already logged over 1,500 hits in the majors before their debuts.

[biittner77]

Most people view the Japanese League as AAAA. In a sense, Japanese players are like a guy that has torn up AAA 3 years in a row and is now making his debut. The problem is that never happens.

 

Maybe it is unfair that they win the ROY. Then again who really cares.

[NCCubFan]

The fact that marginal major league players have been superstars in Japan (see: Rhodes, Tuffy) proves that Japanese baseball isn't quite major league quality. Therefore, Japanese imports really are in their first major league season. (Note to 1908: I'm not meaning to diss Japanese baseball with my comments. :D )

[BigbadB]

I used to think that Japanese players should not be eligible for ROY, but I've changed my stance on that. Japanese players must overcome so much to do well in the United States. They are facing pitchers/hitters they aren't familiar with (except those rare instances when they pitched or hit against them in Japan). Some can't communicate with their teammates due to the language barrier. Their surroundings are completely unfamiliar. They are the object of circus-like media attention, and they have to perform better than every rookie coming up through the minor leagues that year.

 

Only 3 times since 1995 has a Japanese player won the award. How many have made the overseas trip since 1995?

 

Matsuzaka is no lock to win the award.

[illiniguy]

Oh Dice-K will win even if Young and Gordon are better. After all he is on one of the two chosen teams.

[TruffleShuffle]

Only 3 times since 1995 has a Japanese player won the award. How many have made the overseas trip since 1995?

 

Matsuzaka is no lock to win the award.

 

No, but most of the times that a true Japanese star has come over, he's been very successful, and in three of those cases, won the RoY. I'd say the six biggest stars to come over were Ichiro, Sasaki, Nomo, Kaz Matsui, Hideki Matsui, and Hideki Irabu. The first three won, Kaz Matsui and Hideki Irabu were busts, and Hideki Matsu narrowly missed out on the award but has since become one of the better-hitting LF in the game. All but two (Kaz & Irabu) has made an All-Star team, and half (Ichiro, Sasaki, H. Matsui) made at least two all-star games. So I'd say the "hit rate" of Japanese star players is quite high.

[CubColtPacer]

Only 3 times since 1995 has a Japanese player won the award. How many have made the overseas trip since 1995?

 

Matsuzaka is no lock to win the award.

 

No, but most of the times that a true Japanese star has come over, he's been very successful, and in three of those cases, won the RoY. I'd say the six biggest stars to come over were Ichiro, Sasaki, Nomo, Kaz Matsui, Hideki Matsui, and Hideki Irabu. The first three won, Kaz Matsui and Hideki Irabu were busts, and Hideki Matsu narrowly missed out on the award but has since become one of the better-hitting LF in the game. All but two (Kaz & Irabu) has made an All-Star team, and half (Ichiro, Sasaki, H. Matsui) made at least two all-star games. So I'd say the "hit rate" of Japanese star players is quite high.

 

True, but that happens a great deal with the minor league players as well. If you only took the best prospect of every 2-3 years (not random ones, but the ones that were seen as truly special coming out of the minors) and see if they won the ROY, I'm sure they would have a decently high rate of winning it as well.

[BigbadB]

Yeah, I was very much opposed to Japanese players winning ROY at first, but I've come around.

 

It's also a bone in MLB's cap for these players to win awards like ROY. It inspires others to follow in the footsteps of the bold one's who first tried it. It could eventually open the floodgates to more and more Japanese players crossing the pond.

[Mephistopheles]

Kenji Johjima was a star in Japan. In fact he was probably the best player in 04.