Cubs and Big Z Avoid Arbitration, Agree to 1/$12.4 M

[jdelaney5150]

I really think you aren't understanding the full term of a commodity. A commodity is easily replaceable, a Ferrari is not.

 

From MerriamWebster

 

Main Entry: com·mod·i·ty

Pronunciation: k&-'mä-d&-tE

Function: noun

Inflected Form(s): plural -ties

1 : an economic good: as a : a product of agriculture or mining b : an article of commerce especially when delivered for shipment c : a mass-produced unspecialized product

2 a : something useful or valued <

3 obsolete : QUANTITY, LOT

4 : a good or service whose wide availability typically leads to smaller profit margins and diminishes the importance of factors (as brand name) other than price

5 : one that is subject to ready exchange or exploitation within a market

 

I am using definition 5.

[Rusch33]

Good work, Jim.

[Banedon]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

Hendry really wanted Furcal though...

[jdelaney5150]

Cubs.com has it at $12 million flat

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070220&content_id=1808715&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[JonnyRed]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

[PrimeTime]

Very Nicce. High Five!

 

http://themol.typepad.com/themol/images/borat-thumb.jpg

[Omar]

Cubs.com has it at $12 million flat

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070220&content_id=1808715&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

*clicks link*

 

*sees Carrie Muskat*

 

*closes window*

[goonys evil twin]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

 

Yet, as has been pointed out repeatedly, with all the talent, he's still constructed a team that is sub .500 under his watch, despite a top 5 payroll. I'm not saying he's incapable of identifying a talented baseball player, I'm saying he's been horrible at assembling a good baseball team.

[BigbadB]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

 

He gets way too much credit for Aramis and Lee. Both were salary dumps. Luckily, Hendry had the necessary parts and budget to fit both guys in. No one wanted Derrek Lee the year before Hendry traded for him. Baltimore was the most interested, but Florida wouldn't pick up part of the salary, and a deal never happened. Aramis was about to get expensive for Pittsburgh, and they were dumping anyone making any decent money that year.

 

These were not big coos on Hendry's part. I'm happy the Cubs were the team that landed these two players, and I'm even more thrilled that it cost very little in talent to get them, but those guys would have been traded to someone regardless.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Good job on the deal here. My guess is this will be a precursor to giving Zambrano a deal that averages slightly more than Oswalt's five year deal. 5/76- 5/80 will probably be the deal we see before the season starts.

[Balsa]

Does this mean a long-term deal won't be worked out before the season starts?

[Garwilly]

Does this mean a long-term deal won't be worked out before the season starts?

 

Not at all.

[E.J.]

Does this mean a long-term deal won't be worked out before the season starts?

 

Not at all. They just had to have a deal done to avoid arbitration. This contract could be ripped up if they agree to a long-term deal. I'm sure Hendry and Z's agent will be working on a long-term deal these coming weeks before the season starts.

[98navigator]

Does this mean a long-term deal won't be worked out before the season starts?

 

No, just the opposite. The hearing was avoided so there should be no bad feelings. An extension should be completed by opening day.

[PrimeTime]

Cubs.com says 12 mil chicago sports.com says 12.4

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070220cubszambrano,1,226806.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

either or is fine with me only 400 k difference

[A New Era]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

 

Yet, as has been pointed out repeatedly, with all the talent, he's still constructed a team that is sub .500 under his watch, despite a top 5 payroll. I'm not saying he's incapable of identifying a talented baseball player, I'm saying he's been horrible at assembling a good baseball team.

 

Look, aside dumb overpaid mediocre players. There is ONE thing that defines our struggles the last few years. RELYING ON WOOD AND PRIOR. Just think about it. JH really hasn't put together a BAD team at all. IF Wood and Prior were who they could have been. This would have been a VERY good team for the last 4 years. But they've been riddled with injuries. It was CONTINUING to rely on wood and prior that was his downfall.

[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Cubs.com says 12 mil chicago sports.com says 12.4

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070220cubszambrano,1,226806.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

either or is fine with me only 400 k difference

 

ESPN1000 reported that there are incentives tied in to effectively raise the figure. The $12M figure reported could just be base salary.

[RichHillIsABeast]

Cubs.com says 12 mil chicago sports.com says 12.4

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070220cubszambrano,1,226806.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

either or is fine with me only 400 k difference

 

I'll take the non-Muskat article for 400k, Alex.

[YearofDaCubs]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

 

Yet, as has been pointed out repeatedly, with all the talent, he's still constructed a team that is sub .500 under his watch, despite a top 5 payroll. I'm not saying he's incapable of identifying a talented baseball player, I'm saying he's been horrible at assembling a good baseball team.

 

Look, aside dumb overpaid mediocre players. There is ONE thing that defines our struggles the last few years. RELYING ON WOOD AND PRIOR. Just think about it. JH really hasn't put together a BAD team at all. IF Wood and Prior were who they could have been. This would have been a VERY good team for the last 4 years. But they've been riddled with injuries. It was CONTINUING to rely on wood and prior that was his downfall.

How many years did Hendry rely on them before he made the move and improved the starting pitching?

[Backtobanks]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

 

He gets way too much credit for Aramis and Lee. Both were salary dumps. Luckily, Hendry had the necessary parts and budget to fit both guys in. No one wanted Derrek Lee the year before Hendry traded for him. Baltimore was the most interested, but Florida wouldn't pick up part of the salary, and a deal never happened. Aramis was about to get expensive for Pittsburgh, and they were dumping anyone making any decent money that year.

 

These were not big coos on Hendry's part. I'm happy the Cubs were the team that landed these two players, and I'm even more thrilled that it cost very little in talent to get them, but those guys would have been traded to someone regardless.

 

Why is it that some posters can't give credit where credit is due? If Hendry misses out on someone, people jump all over him. I don't understand why some GMs are considered geniuses for making a good deal, while Hendry is considered "lucky" for picking up two great players for very little in return.

[Outshined_One]

Look, aside dumb overpaid mediocre players. There is ONE thing that defines our struggles the last few years. RELYING ON WOOD AND PRIOR. Just think about it. JH really hasn't put together a BAD team at all. IF Wood and Prior were who they could have been. This would have been a VERY good team for the last 4 years. But they've been riddled with injuries. It was CONTINUING to rely on wood and prior that was his downfall.

 

2006: 29th in OBP, 28th in Runs

2005: 20th in OBP, 20th in Runs

2004: 22nd in OBP, 16th in Runs

2003: 24th in OBP, 20th in Runs

 

Something tells me pitching (namely relying on Wood and Prior) hasn't been the only major problem this team has had over the past four years.

[BigbadB]

Why is it that some posters can't give credit where credit is due? If Hendry misses out on someone, people jump all over him. I don't understand why some GMs are considered geniuses for making a good deal, while Hendry is considered "lucky" for picking up two great players for very little in return.

 

Did I say he doesn't deserve any credit? No. I didn't. I said he gets TOO much credit for guys that were practically handed to him for next to nothing.

 

Salary dumps are on teams all over MLB. Luckily, two of the better one's are on the Cubs.

[soccer10k]

Look, aside dumb overpaid mediocre players. There is ONE thing that defines our struggles the last few years. RELYING ON WOOD AND PRIOR. Just think about it. JH really hasn't put together a BAD team at all. IF Wood and Prior were who they could have been. This would have been a VERY good team for the last 4 years. But they've been riddled with injuries. It was CONTINUING to rely on wood and prior that was his downfall.

 

2006: 29th in OBP, 28th in Runs

2005: 20th in OBP, 20th in Runs

2004: 22nd in OBP, 16th in Runs

2003: 24th in OBP, 20th in Runs

 

Something tells me pitching (namely relying on Wood and Prior) hasn't been the only major problem this team has had over the past four years.

 

Agreed. Relying on Prior and Wood was a big problem but it surely wasn't the only problem the team had the past couple years. You don't finish with the worst record in the NL because you rely on two pitchers and they get hurt.

[Danny82]

Look, aside dumb overpaid mediocre players. There is ONE thing that defines our struggles the last few years. RELYING ON WOOD AND PRIOR. Just think about it. JH really hasn't put together a BAD team at all. IF Wood and Prior were who they could have been. This would have been a VERY good team for the last 4 years. But they've been riddled with injuries. It was CONTINUING to rely on wood and prior that was his downfall.

 

2006: 29th in OBP, 28th in Runs

2005: 20th in OBP, 20th in Runs

2004: 22nd in OBP, 16th in Runs

2003: 24th in OBP, 20th in Runs

 

Something tells me pitching (namely relying on Wood and Prior) hasn't been the only major problem this team has had over the past four years.

 

I think it's much more objective to present your rankings for just the NL. Of course the AL teams are going to dominate the upper half of those rankings with the inclusion of the DH.

 

I'm not saying that the Cubs will have a great ranking in the NL per se, but you are making things look worse than they actually were relative to a similar peer group.

[A New Era]

I don't really question Hendry's ability to get who he wants. I just question his wants.

 

He's done alright with landing A-Ram and D-Lee for a pile of junk. Sure, he's had his share of bad moves as well, but he has secured four players who are likely all-stars this year (D-Lee, A-Ram, Soriano and Barrett.

 

Yet, as has been pointed out repeatedly, with all the talent, he's still constructed a team that is sub .500 under his watch, despite a top 5 payroll. I'm not saying he's incapable of identifying a talented baseball player, I'm saying he's been horrible at assembling a good baseball team.

 

Look, aside dumb overpaid mediocre players. There is ONE thing that defines our struggles the last few years. RELYING ON WOOD AND PRIOR. Just think about it. JH really hasn't put together a BAD team at all. IF Wood and Prior were who they could have been. This would have been a VERY good team for the last 4 years. But they've been riddled with injuries. It was CONTINUING to rely on wood and prior that was his downfall.

How many years did Hendry rely on them before he made the move and improved the starting pitching?

 

2 years. My main arguement is hendry DID build a good team. It's just the relying on Wood and Prior in 2005, and 2006 that makes it look like he built such a bad team. When he built a very good team that could have been one of the best, but went down as 2 of the most promising picthing prospects failed to deliver. .