Super Bowl XLI: Bears vs. Colts, Sun 2/4, 5:30 pm CT

[David]

Remember when the Packers were 11.5 pt favorites over the Broncos?

 

I do. :)

[TruffleShuffle]

2. I put mine up as a joke (much like Treeman's USA sig) last night - the reason I was sending you the PM's - and when I woke up this morning, Truffle had it as well. I can't speak for him as to why he decided to use it as well.

 

Well, I've been called a troll at least twice today, so I figured I might as well make it official.

[cubweiser03]

Those Trolls are nasty.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

No watching the Superbowl at the RCA Dome, Canseco, or United.

 

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070123/SPORTS03/70123037

 

Not that I would. That's what the 60" HD tv was bought for.

[goonys evil twin]

No watching the Superbowl at the RCA Dome, Canseco, or United.

 

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070123/SPORTS03/70123037

 

Not that I would. That's what the 60" HD tv was bought for.

 

I never understood why people would want to do that anyway. The worst part about going to the game is sitting in those seats with all the downtime. And unless you get a packed house, you aren't going to come close to the best part, which is the atmosphere of the stadium going nuts. I would much rather be at home or a bar.

[CubColtPacer]

BTW-one more interesting tidbit that's circulating today. The Colts have become the 5th team in postseason history to beat the #1 and #2 scoring defenses in the same postseason. If they beat the Bears, they will become the 1st team in history to beat #1, #2, and #3 in the same postseason.

[BigSlick]

Forgot to mention the 2003 Panthers against the Patriots as a team that received no chance from the media before the game. The line was -7 for that game as well and not one person I knew of gave us a chance.

 

I'm still going through the what-ifs from that game.

 

It was one helluva game. Mainly you can blame John Kasay. He gets forgotten in all this.

[BigSlick]

All I have to say about this game is....run, run, run, play action. And then run some more.

 

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay.

 

fixed

 

What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively.

 

If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him.

 

In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning.

 

Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's.

 

This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart.

 

Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one.

Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them.

 

Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day.

 

:roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them?

 

EDIT:

 

In the last 3 years he's scored: 17, 21, 26, 10, 24, 24 against the Jags

 

Very impressive considering the tear he's been on. They've really hedged him in.

Edited January 23, 2007 by BigSlick

[soccer10k]

All I have to say about this game is....run, run, run, play action. And then run some more.

 

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay.

 

fixed

 

What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively.

 

If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him.

 

In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning.

 

Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's.

 

This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart.

 

Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one.

Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them.

 

Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day.

 

:roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them?

 

Last year in Week 14 Indy beat Jacksonville 26-18.

 

ETA: Indy also scored 24 points in both games against the Jaguars in 2004 as well.

[BigSlick]

All I have to say about this game is....run, run, run, play action. And then run some more.

 

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay.

 

fixed

 

What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively.

 

If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him.

 

In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning.

 

Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's.

 

This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart.

 

Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one.

Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them.

 

Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day.

 

:roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them?

 

Last year in Week 14 Indy beat Jacksonville 26-18.

 

ETA: Indy also scored 24 points in both games against the Jaguars in 2004 as well.

 

Read my edit above. They've been incredible against Peyton.

[Jon]

The media and whatever crap they write isn't important. Crediting being called underdogs and the disrespect that may have received from the media as having any significant motivating factor that can make a difference in the game is a huge disrespect to the talent that the Bears have.

 

Certainly, but judging by Lovie, Urlacher and P-Nut's comments in the media, you can tell they relish proving everyone wrong.

 

How is it disrespect? Clearly the Bears had no motivation in the Packers game, and it cost them. Clearly they had a huge amount of motivation last week, and it propelled them a lopsided win. Those are just a couple of examples, but I think the right movtivation can maximize talent output, or lack of motivation can minimize it. I don't think that disrespects the talent of the team.

It's saying that they can't do it on their own talent, skill, motivation, and desire. That they need something extra. The Bears were playing for nothing in the final week of the season and were playing for everything in the playoffs. That's all the motivation they needed.

 

Keep in mind that the media loves to feel so important and they're the ones who continually bring up media-related questions in press conferences. And feeling a bit of redemption by rubbing it in the media's face after the fact doesn't mean that it played an important part in any victory.

[Andy]

Forgot to mention the 2003 Panthers against the Patriots as a team that received no chance from the media before the game. The line was -7 for that game as well and not one person I knew of gave us a chance.

 

I'm still going through the what-ifs from that game.

 

It was one helluva game. Mainly you can blame John Kasay. He gets forgotten in all this.

I tried to hate John Kasay for that, I really did, but I think he hit something like 4 GW FGs that year. And he's been absolute money since - I don't think he's missed a sub-45 yard FG in over two seasons. I'd say he's paid his penance.

[goonys evil twin]

Forgot to mention the 2003 Panthers against the Patriots as a team that received no chance from the media before the game. The line was -7 for that game as well and not one person I knew of gave us a chance.

 

I'm still going through the what-ifs from that game.

 

I know it's not the same, but I picked them for our SB drinking game that year. You drink whenever your team loses possession (punt, fumble, int) without scoring, loses yardage, gives up a first down or gives up points. It usually doesn't last through the 2nd quarter.

[goonys evil twin]

The media and whatever crap they write isn't important. Crediting being called underdogs and the disrespect that may have received from the media as having any significant motivating factor that can make a difference in the game is a huge disrespect to the talent that the Bears have.

 

Certainly, but judging by Lovie, Urlacher and P-Nut's comments in the media, you can tell they relish proving everyone wrong.

 

How is it disrespect? Clearly the Bears had no motivation in the Packers game, and it cost them. Clearly they had a huge amount of motivation last week, and it propelled them a lopsided win. Those are just a couple of examples, but I think the right movtivation can maximize talent output, or lack of motivation can minimize it. I don't think that disrespects the talent of the team.

It's saying that they can't do it on their own talent, skill, motivation, and desire. That they need something extra. The Bears were playing for nothing in the final week of the season and were playing for everything in the playoffs. That's all the motivation they needed.

 

Keep in mind that the media loves to feel so important and they're the ones who continually bring up media-related questions in press conferences. And feeling a bit of redemption by rubbing it in the media's face after the fact doesn't mean that it played an important part in any victory.

 

The fact that the team admitted Lovie motivated the team by reading the names of all the experts that predicted the Bears would lose, and the score they predicted, tells me they used it as motivation.

 

It's not disrespect to say they used it as motivation. I think the Bears were clearly the most talented team in the NFC, but the question was whether or not they'd play at their best. Maybe they didn't need something extra, but they definitely used it.

[David]

Rex will be on B&B on WSCR at 4:30. Just a heads up.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Rex will be on B&B on WSCR at 4:30. Just a heads up.

I won't be able to listen, can someone give a recap after it's over? Thanks.

[BigSlick]

Rex will be on B&B on WSCR at 4:30. Just a heads up.

 

Well, I don't get the score down here so someone fill me in. I'm sure its boring stuff the coaches told him to say.

[CubColtPacer]

All I have to say about this game is....run, run, run, play action. And then run some more.

 

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay.

 

fixed

 

What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively.

 

If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him.

 

In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning.

 

Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's.

 

This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart.

 

Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one.

Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them.

 

Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day.

 

:roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them?

 

EDIT:

 

In the last 3 years he's scored: 17, 21, 26, 10, 24, 24 against the Jags

 

Very impressive considering the tear he's been on. They've really hedged him in.

 

Yes, the Jags have always held the Colts below their average, but the difference between those games and the game in Jax where there were 8 dropped passes is that most of those other games were won by the Colts. 3 or 4 times, they could have scored 30 if they had actually wanted to, but rather just started running the ball because they were winning the game. In Jax, they scored only 17 I think, and they got blown out-that's why I referenced that game in particular.

 

The key to what the Jags do against the Colts is stopping the run with 3 defensive lineman (with Stroud and Henderson, that's not hard to do), which allows them to drop 7 or 8 into coverage while still getting decent pressure. If the Bears can do that, they will be in good shape. I personally don't think your D-line is that good with Harris out, but if it is they could easily hold the Colts down.

[WindyCity]

Rex will be on B&B on WSCR at 4:30. Just a heads up.

 

Well, I don't get the score down here so someone fill me in. I'm sure its boring stuff the coaches told him to say.

 

If you're really interested, you can always listen online.... 670thescore.com

[USSoccer]

Rex will be on B&B on WSCR at 4:30. Just a heads up.

 

Well, I don't get the score down here so someone fill me in. I'm sure its boring stuff the coaches told him to say.

 

If you're really interested, you can always listen online.... 670thescore.com

 

The stream doesn't work at my office. For those that listen, could someone do a running summary?

[BigSlick]

All I have to say about this game is....run, run, run, play action. And then run some more.

 

Also be careful blitzing Manning too much...he will make you pay.

 

fixed

 

What about Pittsburgh and San Diego last year? They blitzed him quite effectively.

 

If you can conceal the blitzes well, (Which we don't do) and if you can get pressure on him (which doesn't always happen with our blitzes) then there is nothing wrong with blitzing him.

 

In fact, we might have to end up blitzing him. If you cannot get pressure from the front 4, he'll pick your cover 2 apart. You can't sit in a zone against Manning.

 

Pittsburgh and San Diego are both 3-4 defenses. 3-4 defenses have confused the offensive line in the past (see also the Dallas game from this year). The offensive line has never had much of a problem picking up blitzes from even the best 4-3 teams. It's a big thing in Indy before every game-the inevitable question, are they a 4-3 or a 3-4? I'm not saying the offensive line is perfect, but how an offense blocks a 4-3 and a 3-4 is a little different, and all the defenses the Colts have ever had trouble against are 3-4's.

 

This is very true. The problems that Peyton has had in the past have all come from teams that run 3-4 defenses. I'm very afraid he'll pick our defense apart.

 

Of course, I was afraid Drew Brees would, too. So we shall see, we shall see. We'll need another superhuman effort in this one.

Don't the Jags run a 4-3 defense? Manning had a hard time with them.

 

Jacksonville tends to run a 3-3-5 against the Colts, but that is probably a pretty good comparison to the Bears (when Jax is totally healthy). They tackle well, and they stop the run well. Manning's never had a problem with pressure against them, it's always been about finding receivers-and the game at Jax his receivers dropped I think 8 passes that day.

 

:roll: That is very rolleyes worthy, bro. The Colts always have problems with the Jags, when was the last time they've scored more than 24 against them?

 

EDIT:

 

In the last 3 years he's scored: 17, 21, 26, 10, 24, 24 against the Jags

 

Very impressive considering the tear he's been on. They've really hedged him in.

 

Yes, the Jags have always held the Colts below their average, but the difference between those games and the game in Jax where there were 8 dropped passes is that most of those other games were won by the Colts. 3 or 4 times, they could have scored 30 if they had actually wanted to, but rather just started running the ball because they were winning the game. In Jax, they scored only 17 I think, and they got blown out-that's why I referenced that game in particular.

 

The key to what the Jags do against the Colts is stopping the run with 3 defensive lineman (with Stroud and Henderson, that's not hard to do), which allows them to drop 7 or 8 into coverage while still getting decent pressure. If the Bears can do that, they will be in good shape. I personally don't think your D-line is that good with Harris out, but if it is they could easily hold the Colts down.

 

Yeah, I don't see the Bears running a 3 man front, and I don't think I've seen them do it all year. Maybe with Tommie Harris, but definitely not now. We'll probably run a lot of Nickel and just gamble that you wont run all over us.

 

I worry a lot with Manning and Harris back there in coverage, but yeah, again, I worried with them in coverage against the Saints.

 

I'm going to guess the Bears will take the standard approach against Manning that teams used this year: Let him cut you up and down the field, but keep him to field goals. I honestly don't know how the Patriots couldn't do that against them in the second half, but who knows. Maybe it was just destiny.

[CubColtPacer]

A little different topic and a little lighter subject-who do you think will provide the best quotes at media day? I could see this as one of the more boring media days, as neither team has too many big talkers. Does anybody agree?

[da bears]

A little different topic and a little lighter subject-who do you think will provide the best quotes at media day? I could see this as one of the more boring media days, as neither team has too many big talkers. Does anybody agree?

 

Yeah. Last year Ogunleye and Davis did a lot of talking before the Panthers game. Neither has said much of anything before either game this year. Nor has really any Bear. Except maybe Charles Tillman. Hes always pretty entertaining.

[da bears]

A little different topic and a little lighter subject-who do you think will provide the best quotes at media day? I could see this as one of the more boring media days, as neither team has too many big talkers. Does anybody agree?

 

Yeah. Last year Ogunleye and Davis did a lot of talking before the Panthers game. Neither has said much of anything before either game this year. Nor has really any Bear. Except maybe Charles Tillman. Hes always pretty entertaining.

[USSoccer]

Did anyone listen to the Rex interview?