Prior requests arbitration raise (was What??)

[soapy]

Hahaha...People, in 2003 Mark Prior did the following:

 

2.43 ERA/ 211.1 IP/ 50BB/ 245 SO (not to mention going 10-1 with a 1.52 in the second half in the middle of a playoff race)

 

What did he make in 2003? $3 million? Also, he was very good in 2005, which everybody seems to dismiss.

 

Yeah, let's throw a fit because he has the audacity to ask for a very modest raise (which he probably won't get anyway).

[Bull]

Hahaha...People, in 2003 Mark Prior did the following:

 

2.43 ERA/ 211.1 IP/ 50BB/ 245 SO (not to mention going 10-1 with a 1.52 in the second half in the middle of a playoff race)

 

What did he make in 2003? $3 million? Also, he was very good in 2005, which everybody seems to dismiss.

 

Yeah, let's throw a fit because he has the audacity to ask for a very modest raise (which he probably won't get anyway).

 

Over 6% isn't very modest.

 

Given poor performance it's high.

 

Given average performance a typical cost of living raise is less than 3%.

 

But I still have to agree with poster who said if my employer damaged my ability to perform to the extent his has, they'd have a lot more to worry about than my raise.

[CubColtPacer]

Well since the Cubs offered arbritration we can't really complain too much. The way arbi works is that the team and player each make an offer and the arbriter (whoever that is) decides which number is the more reasonable and accepts it. In practice, it usually doesn't ever come down to the arbriter actually deciding because one side or the other or both figure they might lose and decide to cut their losses and settle.

 

That said, Prior has no business asking for a raise based on his performance from 3 years ago. If I were the Cubs, I'd make my arbritration offer equal to what he made last season (about 3-4M?). If Prior wants to settle early, I'd offer a 5% raise or let it go to the arbriter.

 

Why did the Cubs actually offer him arbritration anyway? Does Prior really think he can get more than what he's making in FA. He's not much more than a reclamation project at this point.

 

If Prior went to free agency, he probably would certainly make more. Most analysts thought that the Wood contract was a hometown discount that the Cubs got, and Prior would certainly get more than Wood because he has spent less time injured over the last couple of years. Even though he didn't put up the same numbers for the same length of time, I could easily see Prior making a Mark Mulder contract in FA.

[Yeti]

That's not the point. I don't have a clue as to what is wrong with him, may be nothing. But it doesn't matter. People are fussing about Prior asking for a raise when all he's done is try to come back and pitch.

 

I think people are fussing because they don't know what is wrong with Prior (I honest to god haven't heard anything about his condition in a long time) and aren't confident he'll be ready for spring training. I think his injury history warrants extreme caution and skepticism from fans.

 

Wait 3 more days and we'll know more. Prior will be at the Convention and on WGN Radio Friday night.

we wont know a damn thing till he steps inside the lines and pitches, and frankly the kid(yes kid) has yet to pay his dues...we've gotten one good(albeit great) season outta him...he has no right to ask for a raise...give us another good year(doesnt even have to be great) and then we can talk turkey, but giving a guy a raise who, as far as we know cant even pitch, is absurd

[BigbadB]

, but giving a guy a raise who, as far as we know cant even pitch, is absurd

 

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here. We don't know how Prior's arm got ruined. Could be from pitcher abuse, could be from poor conditioning on his part. I think the abuse had a lot to do with it, personally. But, if there is even a remote chance the Cub organization had anything to do with his injury problems, I would demand a raise. The insignificant raise he "might" receive in arbitration is nothing in comparison to what he might have made if he was never injured in the first place. How much in earnings does he stand to lose over the course of his career from pitcher abuse early in his career if his pitching arm is never the same?

 

And if by chance he comes back healthy in 2007, whatever he is making is probably going to be significantly less than what he is worth.

 

This is a non-issue, IMO.

[soapy]

That's not the point. I don't have a clue as to what is wrong with him, may be nothing. But it doesn't matter. People are fussing about Prior asking for a raise when all he's done is try to come back and pitch.

 

I think people are fussing because they don't know what is wrong with Prior (I honest to god haven't heard anything about his condition in a long time) and aren't confident he'll be ready for spring training. I think his injury history warrants extreme caution and skepticism from fans.

 

Wait 3 more days and we'll know more. Prior will be at the Convention and on WGN Radio Friday night.

we wont know a damn thing till he steps inside the lines and pitches, and frankly the kid(yes kid) has yet to pay his dues...we've gotten one good(albeit great) season outta him...he has no right to ask for a raise...give us another good year(doesnt even have to be great) and then we can talk turkey, but giving a guy a raise who, as far as we know cant even pitch, is absurd

 

This is simply not true and I wish people would stop saying it.

 

2002: great, with 19 starts

2003: great, with 33 starts (historically great in the second half)

2004: good, with 21 starts

2005: very good, with 27 starts

2006: awful, with 9 starts

 

By my calculations, that's 2 great seasons, one very good season, one good season and one terrible season. Certainly he has his injury concerns, but let's not act like the guy has been dead aside from 2003.

[Yeti]

, but giving a guy a raise who, as far as we know cant even pitch, is absurd

 

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you here. We don't know how Prior's arm got ruined. Could be from pitcher abuse, could be from poor conditioning on his part. I think the abuse had a lot to do with it, personally. But, if there is even a remote chance the Cub organization had anything to do with his injury problems, I would demand a raise. The insignificant raise he "might" receive in arbitration is nothing in comparison to what he might have made if he was never injured in the first place. How much in earnings does he stand to lose over the course of his career from pitcher abuse early in his career if his pitching arm is never the same?

 

And if by chance he comes back healthy in 2007, whatever he is making is probably going to be significantly less than what he is worth.

 

This is a non-issue, IMO.

guy proves that he can step between the lines, give him a raise...havent seen anything to lead me to believe he can in a while and all the talk that surrounds him leads me to believe he's not gonna step between the lines much in the near future

 

i bought an ass load of red hat stock back in '99(i think) made a killing...ive not dabbled in the market much since, should i be paid as a top notch trader on one purchase?

 

this kid has tremendous upside, but im not buying(and i love mark)

 

he should shut his mouth, pitch lights out in '07 and go from there....the dollars will find him

[fromthestretch]

I'll tell you what though. I'm going to continue to feel that way about Prior until I see him in a post game interview with a smile on his face. If you're not smiling, your not happy.

 

Perhaps he just doesn't feel comfortable talking to the press. Not everyone is ecstatic to have cameras and mics shoved into their faces, with reporters asking the same questions over and over.

 

Different people have different ways of expressing how they feel. Would I say he's happy? Probably not, but I don't think it has anything to do with the team/city he plays for. I think it has to do with the fact that he's had some freak injuries (collision with Giles, line drive off his elbow, etc.) that are out of his control and have prevented him from doing what he loves to do: pitch. Having people ask him about his injuries all the time certainly isn't going to make him any happier either.

 

And for the irrational folks who keep claiming he's soft, I think the fact that he came back so quickly after a line drive off his pitching elbow shows he's pretty tough.

[davearm]

But I still have to agree with poster who said if my employer damaged my ability to perform to the extent his has, they'd have a lot more to worry about than my raise.

Good luck taking that argument to a courtroom. The judge would laugh you out the door.

 

Put me in the camp that says even considering how the arb system is set up, making 9 mostly crappy starts and spending the better part of the year on the DL does not warrant a raise.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Prior asking for a raise is all part of the process. Very rarely, if ever, does an arby eligible player not ask for a raise.

 

I'm also certain, in the current market Prior could get what he's asking for and more in a FA deal.

 

Considering he's heading to his hearing with a career ERA of 3.51 and a 42-29 record, he's likely to win this hearing. The Cubs will trumpet his most recent season while Prior will point to his career numbers.

 

When looking at what other pitchers on the market have received, it's quite evident that Prior could get what he's asking for.

 

Baseball is a fickle mistress. The players know they have to make what they can while they can.

 

It's the system that's in place and I don't fault Prior for trying to make the most he can within that system.

[soapy]

But I still have to agree with poster who said if my employer damaged my ability to perform to the extent his has, they'd have a lot more to worry about than my raise.

Good luck taking that argument to a courtroom. The judge would laugh you out the door.

 

Put me in the camp that says even considering how the arb system is set up, making 9 mostly crappy starts and spending the better part of the year on the DL does not warrant a raise.

 

But the most recent season is not the only thing considered in the arbitration process. He had two good seasons before 2006 (in which he made 21 and 27 starts)

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

But I still have to agree with poster who said if my employer damaged my ability to perform to the extent his has, they'd have a lot more to worry about than my raise.

Good luck taking that argument to a courtroom. The judge would laugh you out the door.

 

Put me in the camp that says even considering how the arb system is set up, making 9 mostly crappy starts and spending the better part of the year on the DL does not warrant a raise.

 

But the most recent season is not the only thing considered in the arbitration process. He had two good seasons before 2006 (in which he made 21 and 27 starts)

 

*ding* *ding* we have a winner! *ding* *ding*

[rocket]

the people complaining about the possible $200K raise for prior better not be the same people who threw a fit when some posters here complained about the raises of glendon rusch, jose macias, henry blanco, and neifi perez. "it's not your money so why do you care! it's just a few million!!"

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In fact, considering the Cubs are tossing about 7 million per year to Marquis, I don't understand why they won't go ahead and sign Prior to what he's asked.

[Yeti]

the people complaining about the possible $200K raise for prior better not be the same people who threw a fit when some posters here complained about the raises of glendon rusch, jose macias, henry blanco, and neifi perez. "it's not your money so why do you care! it's just a few million!!"

this is not about how much money he makes...in my mind it is "is the guy gonna step between the lines this year?"

[BigbadB]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

[soapy]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

Wow...

[Outshined_One]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

[CuseCubFan69]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

 

Even if he doesn't pitch an inning in 2007?

[C.C.]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

 

Even if he doesn't pitch an inning in 2007?

 

C'mon he'll probably pitch an inning. Maybe he'll even squeak out a game or two.

[Backtobanks]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

 

Even if he doesn't pitch an inning in 2007?

 

C'mon he'll probably pitch an inning. Maybe he'll even squeak out a game or two.[/quote]

 

With a ball or a towel?

[C.C.]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

 

Even if he doesn't pitch an inning in 2007?

 

C'mon he'll probably pitch an inning. Maybe he'll even squeak out a game or two.[/quote]

 

With a ball or a towel?

 

The big question is will it be simulated or actual games??

[treebird]

OH GOD YOU GUYS ARE ON A ROLL DONT STOP NOW

[Andy]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

Don't forget Ted Lilly.

[C.C.]

Win or lose, Mark Prior will make less money than Cesar Izturis or Jason Marquis or Scott Eyre.

 

That's just sad.

Don't forget Ted Lilly.

 

Pays to stay healthy I guess...