Cubs sign Ohman, talk with Prior/Zambrano

[A New Era]

Do what? $140? At how many years?

 

I personally think he Loves the Cubs and that he would accept 5yr/$16mil per. Or maybe 6yr/$16mil per.

[NCCubFan]

If they can get Prior in a similar "pay back the fans/team" deal a la Wood (though I obviously expect him to get more money and more than one year), I'd be happy.

 

I would be shocked if they gave Prior more than 1 year at this point. There's no reason to offer it, unless he's willing to take peanuts in the 2nd year.

 

Maybe they offer him an incentive-laden deal similar to Wood and Miller?

 

I don't see the point. They'll sign him to a one year deal worth about the same as he made in 2006, possibly a little less, but likely a shade more. He's not a free agent whom they need to entice to return. He is under their control, and their only obligation is to offer a contract no less than 80% (or similar) of what he made last year.

 

Apologies all around. I thought he was a free agent after the 2007 season.

He was called up too late in 2002 for that year to count, so the free agency clock started ticking in 2003. That's why he's not a free agent until after 2008.

[CP_414]

Zambrano has asked for $15.5 million in arbitration. The Cubs offered $11 million.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLB&id=3106

 

 

Z is going to get paid. I'm talking $140M+ paid.

 

I completely believe you, but I don't think we have the space.

 

 

Why not?

 

I have two reasons.

1. That's another large commitment, and will hurt out flexibility in future years even more. On its own it won't, obviously, because Z will most likely be really good. On top of the other contracts, though, we have a bit of a squeeze.

2. Will the Trib okay that, especially with this sale about to go down? I realize this is basically the Maddux situation all over again, but will they let the wallet open again after this year's offseason? They might see this payroll as being acceptable. We're already first in NL payroll, aren't we?

 

I don't believe any sale is imminent. Mark Cuban (IU grad) was speaking at a convention recetly and I know someone who was there. Cuban said he would be very interested in the Cubs, but he doesn't believe they will acutally be sold. He may be out of the loop, but thats what he said.

[AlwaysaCub]

If they can get Prior in a similar "pay back the fans/team" deal a la Wood (though I obviously expect him to get more money and more than one year), I'd be happy.

 

I would be shocked if they gave Prior more than 1 year at this point. There's no reason to offer it, unless he's willing to take peanuts in the 2nd year.

 

Maybe they offer him an incentive-laden deal similar to Wood and Miller?

 

I don't see the point. They'll sign him to a one year deal worth about the same as he made in 2006, possibly a little less, but likely a shade more. He's not a free agent whom they need to entice to return. He is under their control, and their only obligation is to offer a contract no less than 80% (or similar) of what he made last year.

 

Apologies all around. I thought he was a free agent after the 2007 season.

He was called up too late in 2002 for that year to count, so the free agency clock started ticking in 2003. That's why he's not a free agent until after 2008.

 

Zambrano was up in 2001, and pitched 108 innings in 2002.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

That site has him at 5.042 years right now. So he'll cross 6 this year.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008_mlb_free_agents/index.html

That site also has him as an FA after 2007, before 2008.

[sethuel1]

If they can get Prior in a similar "pay back the fans/team" deal a la Wood (though I obviously expect him to get more money and more than one year), I'd be happy.

 

I would be shocked if they gave Prior more than 1 year at this point. There's no reason to offer it, unless he's willing to take peanuts in the 2nd year.

 

Maybe they offer him an incentive-laden deal similar to Wood and Miller?

 

I don't see the point. They'll sign him to a one year deal worth about the same as he made in 2006, possibly a little less, but likely a shade more. He's not a free agent whom they need to entice to return. He is under their control, and their only obligation is to offer a contract no less than 80% (or similar) of what he made last year.

 

Apologies all around. I thought he was a free agent after the 2007 season.

He was called up too late in 2002 for that year to count, so the free agency clock started ticking in 2003. That's why he's not a free agent until after 2008.

 

Zambrano was up in 2001, and pitched 108 innings in 2002.

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html

That site has him at 5.042 years right now. So he'll cross 6 this year.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008_mlb_free_agents/index.html

That site also has him as an FA after 2007, before 2008.

 

The conversation was about prior.

[C.C.]

Do what? $140? At how many years?

 

I personally think he Loves the Cubs and that he would accept 5yr/$16mil per. Or maybe 6yr/$16mil per.

 

I think he would also.

[illiniguy]

Jim don't let Z walk. Offer him ownership if he wants it.

[Backtobanks]

Do what? $140? At how many years?

 

I personally think he Loves the Cubs and that he would accept 5yr/$16mil per. Or maybe 6yr/$16mil per.

 

I think he would also.

 

The real question is whether his agent would allow him to sign for 5yr/$16mil per. Zambrano may love the Cubs, but someone wispering in his ear that signing with the Cubs is costing you $40 - $50 million might convince him to put his love asside.

[Chocolate Milk]

Honestly, I doubt Z loves the Cubs enough to throw 40-50 mil in the trash.

[CuseCubFan69]

Z is an enigma to me as I'm not sure what he would do. He fired Boras so maybe money isn't everything to him which may be a very good sign.

[Yeti]

That's not a bad deal for LOOGY in this mkt. I'd trade Eyre now.

 

Or Ohman.

ageing fat ass or young bad ass LOOGY....lets trade the ageing fat ass

 

 

Ohman should be seen as untouchable except for the real deal in return...the kid will anchor pens in the future

[goonys evil twin]

That's not a bad deal for LOOGY in this mkt. I'd trade Eyre now.

 

Or Ohman.

ageing fat ass or young bad ass LOOGY....lets trade the ageing fat ass

 

 

Ohman should be seen as untouchable except for the real deal in return...the kid will anchor pens in the future

 

Ohman should not be considered anything close to untouchable.

[CuseCubFan69]

That's not a bad deal for LOOGY in this mkt. I'd trade Eyre now.

 

Or Ohman.

ageing fat ass or young bad ass LOOGY....lets trade the ageing fat ass

 

 

Ohman should be seen as untouchable except for the real deal in return...the kid will anchor pens in the future

 

Ohman should not be considered anything close to untouchable.

 

I agree. The only thing untouchable is Wrigley IMO.

[Yeti]

That's not a bad deal for LOOGY in this mkt. I'd trade Eyre now.

 

Or Ohman.

ageing fat ass or young bad ass LOOGY....lets trade the ageing fat ass

 

 

Ohman should be seen as untouchable except for the real deal in return...the kid will anchor pens in the future

 

Ohman should not be considered anything close to untouchable.

Ohman is the only reliable thing in our pen that isnt costing us multi millions yearly and he is the best we have regardless of cost(talking LOOGY here) why you trade cheap young serious talent before trading the guy has has had 10 too many donuts(today) and makes sick money is just unconscionable

[CuseCubFan69]

That's not a bad deal for LOOGY in this mkt. I'd trade Eyre now.

 

Or Ohman.

ageing fat ass or young bad ass LOOGY....lets trade the ageing fat ass

 

 

Ohman should be seen as untouchable except for the real deal in return...the kid will anchor pens in the future

 

Ohman should not be considered anything close to untouchable.

Ohman is the only reliable thing in our pen that isnt costing us multi millions yearly and he is the best we have regardless of cost(talking LOOGY here) why you trade cheap young serious talent before trading the guy has has had 10 too many donuts(today) and makes sick money is just unconscionable

 

As I said earlier, he is an excellent choice to include if you are trading with a team on a strict diet (opps, budget!). Yes, my master plan to get Miggy C!

Edited January 17, 2007 by CuseCubFan69

[Yeti]

Ohmans 2005 ERA vs leftys....0.93(29 innings)

 

the kid is the **** as a loogy...granted i overspoke when i said he was untouchable, but why trade him over trading eyre? Will is the pen lefty we need to keep unless he is in a package for something special

[CuseCubFan69]

Ohmans 2005 ERA vs leftys....0.93(29 innings)

 

the kid is the **** as a loogy...granted i overspoke when i said he was untouchable, but why trade him over trading eyre? Will is the pen lefty we need to keep unless he is in a package for something special

 

He's a very good loogy. What if a team wanted him instead of Eyre and would give the Cubs the player they really covet? As you pointed out you would and I'm sure many GM's might prefer Ohman but some might prefer that "veteran presence" that Eyre has.

[Yeti]

Ohmans 2005 ERA vs leftys....0.93(29 innings)

 

the kid is the **** as a loogy...granted i overspoke when i said he was untouchable, but why trade him over trading eyre? Will is the pen lefty we need to keep unless he is in a package for something special

 

He's a very good loogy. What if a team wanted him instead of Eyre and would give the Cubs the player they really covet? As you pointed out you would and I'm sure many GM's might prefer Ohman but some might prefer that "veteran presence" that Eyre has.

notice the bolded part

[CuseCubFan69]

Ohmans 2005 ERA vs leftys....0.93(29 innings)

 

the kid is the **** as a loogy...granted i overspoke when i said he was untouchable, but why trade him over trading eyre? Will is the pen lefty we need to keep unless he is in a package for something special

 

He's a very good loogy. What if a team wanted him instead of Eyre and would give the Cubs the player they really covet? As you pointed out you would and I'm sure many GM's might prefer Ohman but some might prefer that "veteran presence" that Eyre has.

notice the bolded part

 

And this is from a post I made on page 1:

 

He could always be part of a trade and not the main piece.

[Andy]

Honestly, I doubt Z loves the Cubs enough to throw 40-50 mil in the trash.

I didn't think ARam loved the Cubs enough to throw 20-30 mil in the trash either.

 

Give him 6/96. Give him it right now.

[dew1679666265]

Honestly, I doubt Z loves the Cubs enough to throw 40-50 mil in the trash.

I didn't think ARam loved the Cubs enough to throw 20-30 mil in the trash either.

 

Give him 6/96. Give him it right now.

 

I could see him accepting 6/100-110 (18 mil/year). I think anything under 100 mil is too low, even for Z who I believe loves the Cubs.

Offering 6/96 would be worth a try though. :)

[treebird]

Honestly, I doubt Z loves the Cubs enough to throw 40-50 mil in the trash.

I didn't think ARam loved the Cubs enough to throw 20-30 mil in the trash either.

 

Give him 6/96. Give him it right now.

 

I could see him accepting 6/100-110 (18 mil/year). I think anything under 100 mil is too low, even for Z who I believe loves the Cubs.

Offering 6/96 would be worth a try though. :)

 

it's very possible that we've seen the best of z and he's just going to run himself into the ground here in the coming years. 6 years is an awfully long time. the cubs should really try to take a more money/fewer years approach here.

[Soul]

Honestly, I doubt Z loves the Cubs enough to throw 40-50 mil in the trash.

I didn't think ARam loved the Cubs enough to throw 20-30 mil in the trash either.

 

Give him 6/96. Give him it right now.

 

I could see him accepting 6/100-110 (18 mil/year). I think anything under 100 mil is too low, even for Z who I believe loves the Cubs.

Offering 6/96 would be worth a try though. :)

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070116cubsohman,1,4799304.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

Ultimately, Zambrano is expected to seek a six-year deal for somewhere around $100 million-$110 million when contract talks begin next month.

 

Sounds like you're right, Z will be looking to break the $100mil barrier.

 

I hope the Cubs are ready for this, because if you lose Zambrano because you overpaid for Lilly and Marquis? I think that's the point where fans start offing themselves and naming the Cubs in their suicide notes :x

[C.C.]

Honestly, I doubt Z loves the Cubs enough to throw 40-50 mil in the trash.

I didn't think ARam loved the Cubs enough to throw 20-30 mil in the trash either.

 

Give him 6/96. Give him it right now.

 

I could see him accepting 6/100-110 (18 mil/year). I think anything under 100 mil is too low, even for Z who I believe loves the Cubs.

Offering 6/96 would be worth a try though. :)

 

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-070116cubsohman,1,4799304.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

Ultimately, Zambrano is expected to seek a six-year deal for somewhere around $100 million-$110 million when contract talks begin next month.

 

Sounds like you're right, Z will be looking to break the $100mil barrier.

 

I hope the Cubs are ready for this, because if you lose Zambrano because you overpaid for Lilly and Marquis? I think that's the point where fans start offing themselves and naming the Cubs in their suicide notes :x

 

They get Z signed. I have no doubts.

[cheapseats]

 

it's very possible that we've seen the best of z and he's just going to run himself into the ground here in the coming years. 6 years is an awfully long time. the cubs should really try to take a more money/fewer years approach here.

 

I haven't noticed anyone else express that thought, but it's definitely something to think about.

 

A lot of us here think that Z is indestructible, but he's already got a lot of mileage on him.