Up to 100 MLB juicers possibly to be exposed...

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Just because the government is entitled to those names doesn't necessarily mean they'll be released........ does it?

 

No, but the media should easily get its hands on it and take care of the list.

[Roast]

I think we're all pretty sure Sammy juiced...

 

Have a mouse in your pocket?

[Wheelimus]

Who cares. It was an age where the players were basically told "just don't go above this percent, and this will all go away!" and they still couldn't do it. I imagine you'll have your "duh" violators, some surprises, both in who is on and who is not on the list. It might be interesting to hear how many pitchers there are on the list.

 

But really, meaningless. It was open season with no regulation for so long, what do I care. I care about them being clean now. Get a freaking way to test for HGH.

[Guest]

Let's see...

 

25 players per team, 30 teams gives a minimum of 750 players in MLB at any given time -- assuming this does not include the other 15 on the 40 man roster (which would be 1200). So this would be somewhere around 1 in 7.5 to 1 in 12 players getting caught with illegal substances in their systems. Some percentage of those violators wouldn't be steroid users but would have had pot, amphetamines or other substances at a time when steroids weren't against the rules.

 

So the ultimate ratio would likely lie somewhere between 1 in 7.5 to 1 in 20 mlb players on 'roids. Does anyone really find this ratio shocking?

 

btw - if you think we'd feel bad as cubs fans if Sosa, Prior or anyone else was on that list...imagine how Cards fans would feel if it was Pujols, Carpenter, Rolen or Edmonds.

[Jon]

Remember, these guys could have tested positive for anything from steroids to cocaine.

Yeah. As I said, there may only be a few players on the list that tested positive for a performance enhancing drug. The media can try to play this up like it's all about steroids, but it's not.

[Soriano12]

I wonder what Cubs are on the list.. if there are any.

 

Glendon Rush.

[erik316wttn]

I think people are stupid and blind to believe that all all-stars are roid-free, or a majority of them are.

 

So you're saying that most of the games best players have chemically-enhanced talent? Some I'd believe, but most? Come on.

[Derwood]

My first guess is Scott Spiezio:

 

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/speizio0225.jpg

[Roast]

My first guess is Scott Spiezio:

 

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/speizio0225.jpg

 

Look, thats before he dyed his hideous patch of hair bright red.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I hope Prior is on the list so the Cubs' brass won't feel obligated to waste another $4MM on him in 2007 to watch his sorry butt sit on the DL all season. Proof that Prior juiced will take all the heat off of the front office and allow them to jettison ol' Mary.

[Jehrico]

I hope Prior is on the list so the Cubs' brass won't feel obligated to waste another $4MM on him in 2007 to watch his sorry butt sit on the DL all season. Proof that Prior juiced will take all the heat off of the front office and allow them to jettison ol' Mary.

You actually HOPE Prior gets exposed as a juicer so that Hendry will have a little less heat on him? Are you related to Hendry or something? That has to be the most ignorant thing I've ever heard. Yeah, let's hope our most promising pitcher turns out to be a juicer to take a little heat off of our GM instead of hoping our potential Cy Young candidate finally gets healthy and dominates the way we has before. Let's hope for the worst so we can discard him for nothing, then watch the Cards or someone else pick him up on the scrap heap and rejuvenate him back into his 2003 form.

 

Even if he is on the list, why would that "take all the heat off of the front office?" They still failed to have a reliable alternative going into 2006 after he was hurt for large portions of 2004 and 2005. Juicer or not, the front office gets no redemption whatsoever.

[Jehrico]

Does Will Carrolls assertion that he's seen a "partial" list set of anyone else's BS indicator? Who would have access to the list, filter it down, and start handing around a partial list to the media? Doesn't make sense. I think Carroll is flat out lying, he hasn't seen squat. I can think of no reason that anyone on the inside with access to the list who would go out of their way to furnish a copy of it to a media source would only do so with a partial list. Why would he write such a remark without providing any names if he's really seen it? I believe he has nothing other than pure conjecture that we all have from the knowledge that such a list exists with a little unique insight thrown in, nothing more. He holds no credibility with me.

[soccer10k]

Does Will Carrolls assertion that he's seen a "partial" list set of anyone else's BS indicator? Who would have access to the list, filter it down, and start handing around a partial list to the media? Doesn't make sense. I think Carroll is flat out lying, he hasn't seen squat. I can think of no reason that anyone on the inside with access to the list who would go out of their way to furnish a copy of it to a media source would only do so with a partial list. Why would he write such a remark without providing any names if he's really seen it? I believe he has nothing other than pure conjecture that we all have from the knowledge that such a list exists with a little unique insight thrown in, nothing more. He holds no credibility with me.

 

It does seem awfully fishy to have only seen a partial list.

[cheapseats]

Does Will Carrolls assertion that he's seen a "partial" list set of anyone else's BS indicator? Who would have access to the list, filter it down, and start handing around a partial list to the media? Doesn't make sense. I think Carroll is flat out lying, he hasn't seen squat. I can think of no reason that anyone on the inside with access to the list who would go out of their way to furnish a copy of it to a media source would only do so with a partial list. Why would he write such a remark without providing any names if he's really seen it? I believe he has nothing other than pure conjecture that we all have from the knowledge that such a list exists with a little unique insight thrown in, nothing more. He holds no credibility with me.

 

I think Carroll's record speaks for itself.

[CubFanPhilly]

Why is a partial list fishy? Does anyone think that Carroll claims to be looking at the actual lab results?

 

If someone with access to the test results is leaking names of players who tested positive for steriods, it seems reasonable to me that that same person would leave off the names of players who tested positive for unrelated drugs or even the names of lesser known players.

[wade]

Boy, is this a bunch of crap. I'd be really surprised if all names on the list weren't leaked. What if Bonds isn't even on the list? He took stuff from a company that specialized in passing drug tests, for crying out loud. Careers could be damaged because of a "survey" by MLB back in '03.

[Derwood]

My first guess is Scott Spiezio:

 

http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/speizio0225.jpg

 

compare our friend Scott here with admitted juicer Brady Anderson:

 

http://www.outsidepitch.com/images/merch/brady_poster_2.jpg

[LuvChicagoSports]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing with Spiezio, he's not all that big. I mean sure he's not little, but have you ever been to a college rec center. There are guys that big everywhere, and you know they aren't all juicing.

[Soul]

Replying to the title of this thread:

 

"Please, there are ladies present!"

 

On a serious note, this could permanently harm the game.

 

I think more harm is being done by not knowing. The constant secrecy, the rumors----this is more harmful IMO. Also, not knowing just keeps the whole thing going interminably. Maybe a mass exposure of names would help people say "OK, this is what it really was." Then move on.

[Derwood]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing with Spiezio, he's not all that big. I mean sure he's not little, but have you ever been to a college rec center. There are guys that big everywhere, and you know they aren't all juicing.

 

not all that big? Are you nuts?

[goonys evil twin]

Boy, is this a bunch of crap. I'd be really surprised if all names on the list weren't leaked. What if Bonds isn't even on the list? He took stuff from a company that specialized in passing drug tests, for crying out loud. Careers could be damaged because of a "survey" by MLB back in '03.

 

Careers could be damaged because guys took steroids. Don't blame the release of the truth for their careers being damaged.

 

That being said, this isn't a good thing for anybody. It only adds to the distrust between MLB and the MLBPA. I wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for some bum who used roids and is exposed. But dishonoring the confidentiality of this test only makes further testing more difficult.

[goonys evil twin]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing with Spiezio, he's not all that big. I mean sure he's not little, but have you ever been to a college rec center. There are guys that big everywhere, and you know they aren't all juicing.

 

not all that big? Are you nuts?

 

That picture sure didn't make him look all that big. He has a modest bicep bulge when squeezing his arm up against his side and taking the photo from an odd angle. Big deal. I know manual laborers who never go to the gym and definitely aren't on juice who look bigger.

[Derwood]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing with Spiezio, he's not all that big. I mean sure he's not little, but have you ever been to a college rec center. There are guys that big everywhere, and you know they aren't all juicing.

 

not all that big? Are you nuts?

 

That picture sure didn't make him look all that big. He has a modest bicep bulge when squeezing his arm up against his side and taking the photo from an odd angle. Big deal. I know manual laborers who never go to the gym and definitely aren't on juice who look bigger.

 

maybe it is the angle, because his shoulder looks bigger than his head. I'd like to see his bicep side by side with Ernie Banks circa 1969....

[USSoccer]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing with Spiezio, he's not all that big. I mean sure he's not little, but have you ever been to a college rec center. There are guys that big everywhere, and you know they aren't all juicing.

 

not all that big? Are you nuts?

 

That picture sure didn't make him look all that big. He has a modest bicep bulge when squeezing his arm up against his side and taking the photo from an odd angle. Big deal. I know manual laborers who never go to the gym and definitely aren't on juice who look bigger.

 

maybe it is the angle, because his shoulder looks bigger than his head. I'd like to see his bicep side by side with Ernie Banks circa 1969....

 

That's not exactly a fair comparison either. Athletes are much stronger now that in the 1960's.

[Derwood]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing with Spiezio, he's not all that big. I mean sure he's not little, but have you ever been to a college rec center. There are guys that big everywhere, and you know they aren't all juicing.

 

not all that big? Are you nuts?

 

That picture sure didn't make him look all that big. He has a modest bicep bulge when squeezing his arm up against his side and taking the photo from an odd angle. Big deal. I know manual laborers who never go to the gym and definitely aren't on juice who look bigger.

 

maybe it is the angle, because his shoulder looks bigger than his head. I'd like to see his bicep side by side with Ernie Banks circa 1969....

 

That's not exactly a fair comparison either. Athletes are much stronger now that in the 1960's.

 

and yet Banks hit over 500 homeruns.....