Cubs will trade J. Jones "to anyone"

[UBlink]

I think there's a difference between saying (hinting, implying, whatever) that Jacque MUST go, and recognizing that some of his personnel transactions will involve trades, and that Jones is a good candidate to be included. People are always imploring Hendry to sell high, and trading Jones after a very good 2006 would seem to qualify.

 

I don't see any problems here. I've seen nothing to indicate Hendry is willing to accept less than good value for Jones in a trade. We may not agree on Hendry's evaluation of potential trade targets, but I haven't heard of anyone that would be the equivalent of giving him away.

 

Because of his no-trade clause, it probably makes sense to put the word out that Jones is open to being traded to stimulate the most interest.

[Post Count Padder]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

[Electron Blue]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

wasn't newhan once highly regarded?

 

i take it by your context that he no longer is (?)

[Post Count Padder]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

wasn't newhan once highly regarded?

 

i take it by your context that he no longer is (?)

He's 33. Last year he had a line of .252/.294/.374 in 131 AB. The year before he had a line of .202/.279/.312 in 218 AB.

[RichHillIsABeast]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

wasn't newhan once highly regarded?

 

i take it by your context that he no longer is (?)

 

yeah, back in 1996.

[E.J.]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

If that's the best we can get Hendry better be on the phone calling Jones and telling him to suck it up and expect to play CF in Wrigley Field next year.

[Sabermetrician]

I'm all for trading Jones for nothing if it means we're going to acquire a CF by the name of Ryan Church.

[inari]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

If that's the best we can get Hendry better be on the phone calling Jones and telling him to suck it up and expect to play CF in Wrigley Field next year.

 

I'm with you 100%.

[TruffleShuffle]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

what the hell kind of offer is that?

[UMFan83]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

If that's the best we can get Hendry better be on the phone calling Jones and telling him to suck it up and expect to play CF in Wrigley Field next year.

 

If Hendry makes that trade, his next move should be to resign.

[Post Count Padder]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

what the hell kind of offer is that?

I agree. There is no way this is the best Hendry can get for Jones.

[Electron Blue]

This is what happens when the Cubs say they'll trade Jones for anything:

 

Jacque Jones-OF-Cubs Dec. 7 - 11:10 pm et

 

 

The Chicago Tribune says the Orioles remain interested in Jacque Jones and could offer David Newhan for him.

 

If Jones comes cheap in terms of talent -- and it doesn't get much cheaper than Newhan -- he'd be a better choice for Baltimore than Jay Payton. The Cubs could trade Jones and then sign Kenny Lofton to play center.

 

wasn't newhan once highly regarded?

 

i take it by your context that he no longer is (?)

He's 33. Last year he had a line of .252/.294/.374 in 131 AB. The year before he had a line of .202/.279/.312 in 218 AB.

 

:P I'm thinkin of someone else

[Brian]

jacque for cf (unless we get something of real value for him)

[Abe Frohman]

Were do we get the idea that if a team is TRYING to move a player,,, his value goes down?

 

This is like saying that if a free agent only deals with one team, his value goes up... huh? So I'm a free agent pitcher. I talk to one team and refuse to tell anyone else I'm a free agent, my value goes up? really?

I thought that if I talked to one team, two teams, three teams... My value would go up, because then I have 3 or 4 teams trying to sign me, why is the desire to trade a player any different?

 

Every year at the trade deadline there are players there that EVERYONE knows the team would like to move... Yet somehow, someway the team with said player ends up getting fair value if not more for the said player. The value in that situation was not lowered by everyone knowing the team wanted to move the player, so why would it be so this time?

 

Sosa and Patterson were very different stories... Lets look at Jones first, Jones is coming off one of his better years. He is owed about 4/5M for the next two years.

Sosa.... It was very clear to even JH that his numbers were falling, and falling fast. He was getting paid 17M a year. Need I say more?

Patterson.... As if I need to even say it, he was sent to the minors. He hit .219 or something like that. He was swinging at EVERYTHING.

In both cases the players value was not lowered due to the Cubs desire to move the player... the players value was lowerd simply by poor play and a LOT of money still owed.

 

After reading this board after Jones was signed nearly everyone did not like the signing! After reading the board now, most would say he had a good year, his pay is low.... but he can't hit LHP, he can't field the ball and he can't throw the ball. UHM, okay, why then do we seem to think we will get great returns on him anyways? If we are fans and can figure the above out, what makes you think that other GM's in MLB can't figure the same things out? Thus, lowering Jones trade value!

 

Just a thought!

 

You've bought a car before, right?

[UMFan83]

^^ Yes but it doesn't HAVE to go down.

 

If Hendry is smart (and he's supposed to be) he knows that he has a good deal of leverage to work with. Jones has shown that he is unhappy, but he hasn't made any 'I will not play for the Cubs' comments. Hendry does not have to get rid of Jones. Furthermore, and more importantly, with the way sluggers are going this year price wise, Jones' contract looks extremely good for the production he put up. He should be able to get those teams into a bidding war, upping his value.

 

But who knows....Hendry has done less with more before.

[jjgman21]

True, but what in the article gives you the idea that Hendry is DETERMINED to trade Jones?

 

Pretty much everything Jim has done this winter has given me, and a lot of others, that he is determined to trade Jones.

 

Except that he hasn't done or said anything with respect to Jones other than cryptic GM-speak. This is a media driven issue alone.

 

No it isn't. He signed a guy to play Jones's position. He's said he tries to accomodate players who request trades, and insinuated that he knows Jacque doesn't want to be here. He's talked about getting other LH OF help, and has stated repeatedly that Murton will remain. And there are other baseball people out there saying that Jim seems intent on dealing Jones. That's not media driven. Just because he didn't come out and say, "I am going to trade Jacque Jones this winter" doesn't mean he hasn't done or said anything with respect to Jones being dealt.

 

It seems pretty clear to me Jones won't be back. The odds are heavily in the favor of a trade.

 

I don't think Jacque will be around, but that's some pretty selective choices of factoids from a myriad of other factoids you use to build your case. there have been equal reports of which position Soriano will play. I don't recall him saying anything about 'accomodation,' nor do I know where you get anything about Hendry insinuating Jones wants out. he's talked about getting leftfield help and built up Murton, but never said Murton was his full time leftfielder and speculation about where his desire for more left handed hitting will play goes to taking away Murton's PT as much as anywhere. but yes, there was one unidentified baseball source who allegedly said 'Jones for anything.'

 

you can selectively pull from the volumes of reports and quotes throughout an offseason to draw any conclusion. certainly what you point to above would not pass any reasonable burden of proof to conclude Hendry is "determined" to deal Jones, especially when faced with equal or greater evidence to the contrary. now I will admit there are signs that the Cubs are willing to move Jones and looking at various offers, but I don't know how you draw the 'determined' conclusion here and not for any and every player that is rumored to be on the trading block.

 

 

 

but even if these rumors do somehow go beyond normal trade whispers. I think people should consider the possability that Jones in fact is demanding a trade and the Cubs have done a pretty damn good job of keeping a lid on it to keep his value up, despite Hendry's co-workers (the writers at the Trib) attempts to blow it open and shoot the company they work for in the foot.

[Butterscup1679666578]

So Baltimore is offering us another crappy utility guy for a decent player?

[Abe Frohman]

^^ Yes but it doesn't HAVE to go down.

 

If Hendry is smart (and he's supposed to be) he knows that he has a good deal of leverage to work with. Jones has shown that he is unhappy, but he hasn't made any 'I will not play for the Cubs' comments. Hendry does not have to get rid of Jones. Furthermore, and more importantly, with the way sluggers are going this year price wise, Jones' contract looks extremely good for the production he put up. He should be able to get those teams into a bidding war, upping his value.

 

But who knows....Hendry has done less with more before.

 

Well said.

 

And to hell with Baltimore. They should give us Miggy for Jones if we ask. We have received absolute crap for Sammy Sosa and Corey Patterson. We don't need to "give" them another talented OFer for free again.

[CubsWin]

True, but what in the article gives you the idea that Hendry is DETERMINED to trade Jones?

 

Pretty much everything Jim has done this winter has given me, and a lot of others, that he is determined to trade Jones.

 

At this point, I'd be surprised if he doesn't. And while I'm not big Jones fan, I feel that what we end up with is likely to be worth less than what we had.

So nothing in the article then. That's my point.

 

I'm not saying that there is no reason to think that Hendry might trade Jones. I'm just saying that reacting to this article as if it somehow says that Hendry is shoving him out the door and not trying to get anything of value for him is baseless.

[NorthsideAvenger]

If Hendry makes that trade, his next move should be to resign.

 

Jones for Newhan? Baltimore better be offering either Hayden Penn, Nick Markakis, or Adam Loewen along with Newhan (not that I want Newhan, anyways).

 

But Jones for Newhan, Hendry should have just busted out laughing.

[abuck1220]

i'd rather have nothing than newhan.

[imb]

i'd rather have nothing than izturis.

 

oops

[WrigleyinEngland]

Newham??WTF??!!! I'm sick of Baltimore let's deal with a club that realises Jones contract and production don't deserve pathetic offers like that. I would offer Jones,Marshall,Ryu and another PTBNL for Church and Kearns and i would expect a yes from bowden.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Newham??WTF??!!! I'm sick of Baltimore let's deal with a club that realises Jones contract and production don't deserve pathetic offers like that. I would offer Jones,Marshall,Ryu and another PTBNL for Church and Kearns and i would expect a yes from bowden.

 

Heck, if the Cubs could've kept Josh Hamilton, included him in a deal for Kearns/Church would have been a no-brainer.

[A New Era]

I hope they don't trade Jaque Jones. I also hope his team-mates can convince him to give chicago another chance. It would be hard for ANY player to have a good time as a 06 chicago cub. It was just a pitiful year. I hope Jones stays, because he is a decent #5 hitter, and gives us some extra pop that we need after Soriano, Lee, and Aram.