Cubs will trade J. Jones "to anyone"

[davearm]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

What approach would you suggest Hendry take for moving Jones, if it's not to sit down with other GMs at the Winter Meetings and see what they'd give for him?

 

Is he supposed to keep Jones' availability a secret or something?

[tkenm356]

I thought he had a limited no-trade clause

 

And I thought you could waive your trade clause, limited or not.

 

Yikes, take it easy. I didn't say that in a "matter-of-fact" kind of way.

[TruffleShuffle]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

What approach would you suggest Hendry take for moving Jones, if it's not to sit down with other GMs at the Winter Meetings and see what they'd give for him?

 

Is he supposed to keep Jones' availability a secret or something?

 

no but you could make it actually seem like the Cubs are willing to keep him in 2006, since his contract is pretty team-friendly. Instead, it looks like Hendry is desperate to get rid of him.

[BigbadB]

Hendry is probably only desperate to get rid of him due to Jacque's request to be traded. But, it should still stay somewhat hush/hush in order to make both sides happy.

[badgercub]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

What approach would you suggest Hendry take for moving Jones, if it's not to sit down with other GMs at the Winter Meetings and see what they'd give for him?

 

Is he supposed to keep Jones' availability a secret or something?

 

no but you could make it actually seem like the Cubs are willing to keep him in 2006, since his contract is pretty team-friendly. Instead, it looks like Hendry is desperate to get rid of him.

 

I really don't think it is Team friendly, I thought they overpaid for him when they signed him last year, and I still don't like the contract. I think Jacque will revert back to career numbers at the plate and he is a sieve in the field who throws like a girl

[goonys evil twin]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

What approach would you suggest Hendry take for moving Jones, if it's not to sit down with other GMs at the Winter Meetings and see what they'd give for him?

 

Is he supposed to keep Jones' availability a secret or something?

 

You have to keep open the idea that you won't trade him. Jim got himself into trouble when he decided to trade Patterson, Sosa and Farnsworth, at whatever price. It let other GMs know that when Jim wants to move guys, you don't have to pay much to get the guy. If Jim has a mission to trade Jacque, he's not helping the team. He should listen to offers, or offer Jones is deals that help the club. But it looks like one of his goals is to trade Jones, just like one of his goals is to apparantly overpay for Ted Lilly.

[TruffleShuffle]

I really don't think it is Team friendly, I thought they overpaid for him when they signed him last year, and I still don't like the contract. I think Jacque will revert back to career numbers at the plate and he is a sieve in the field who throws like a girl

 

Considering how crazy the market is right now, you're not going to get a guy like Jacque Jones for $5M per year unless it's via a trade.

[jjgman21]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

 

I think you admit his point here. It's a leak. Do you really think he's revealing to reporters that he's shopping Jones anywhere for anything? If anything, shame on other GMs for leaking negotiations to reporters and/or each other, which is not allowed.

 

The Patterson and Sosa situations were different. The rampant speculation about replacing both lead Hendry to be able to do nothing but halfass denials about his attempts to trade the players. While it is no secret that Hendry has been floating Jones as a chip for a starter, there have been no previous indications of 'dump for anything' that would lead to something like the above being written. How this gets automatically put on Hendry is incredibly presumtuous.

[CubinNY]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

 

I think you admit his point here. It's a leak. Do you really think he's revealing to reporters that he's shopping Jones anywhere for anything? If anything, shame on other GMs for leaking negotiations to reporters and/or each other, which is not allowed.

 

The Patterson and Sosa situations were different. The rampant speculation about replacing both lead Hendry to be able to do nothing but halfass denials about his attempts to trade the players. While it is no secret that Hendry has been floating Jones as a chip for a starter, there have been no previous indications of 'dump for anything' that would lead to something like the above being written. How this gets automatically put on Hendry is incredibly presumtuous.

 

The thing is though that Hendry leaked the information himself to Chicago beat reporters long before the Winter Meetings.

 

All the while telling the same reporters he's looking for a LH bat in the outfield.

[USSoccer]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

 

I think you admit his point here. It's a leak. Do you really think he's revealing to reporters that he's shopping Jones anywhere for anything? If anything, shame on other GMs for leaking negotiations to reporters and/or each other, which is not allowed.

 

The Patterson and Sosa situations were different. The rampant speculation about replacing both lead Hendry to be able to do nothing but halfass denials about his attempts to trade the players. While it is no secret that Hendry has been floating Jones as a chip for a starter, there have been no previous indications of 'dump for anything' that would lead to something like the above being written. How this gets automatically put on Hendry is incredibly presumtuous.

 

It.Was.A.Joke.

 

A cheap joke. I readily admit that it's a rumor, and used the appropriate qualifier (If).

[UMFan83]

I really don't think it is Team friendly, I thought they overpaid for him when they signed him last year, and I still don't like the contract. I think Jacque will revert back to career numbers at the plate and he is a sieve in the field who throws like a girl

 

Considering how crazy the market is right now, you're not going to get a guy like Jacque Jones for $5M per year unless it's via a trade.

 

Great point, we should be able to get a ton for him.

 

I took the 'anywhere' quote not as JH is desperate to get rid of him for anything, but that there is a LOT of interest in Jock

[TheDude]

The thing is though that Hendry leaked the information himself to Chicago beat reporters long before the Winter Meetings.

 

All the while telling the same reporters he's looking for a LH bat in the outfield.

 

Do you have the quote? The is a strong distinction between saying "he will be traded" and "we'll explore our options".

 

The 'desperation' associated with trading Jones should be attributed 100% to reporters unless someone can put up an exact quote from Hendry demonstrating otherwise.

[tkenm356]

Did anyone watch Jones on ESPN News? What did he say? Or is it in a different thread somewhere?

[Soul]

The thing is though that Hendry leaked the information himself to Chicago beat reporters long before the Winter Meetings.

 

All the while telling the same reporters he's looking for a LH bat in the outfield.

 

Do you have the quote? The is a strong distinction between saying "he will be traded" and "we'll explore our options".

 

The 'desperation' associated with trading Jones should be attributed 100% to reporters unless someone can put up an exact quote from Hendry demonstrating otherwise.

 

I'd have a tough time describing the Jones situation as desperate on day 2 of the winter meetings, in any event. Or really anything close.

 

Desperate is being 2 games up in the division and watching your #1 starter blow out his arm 1 week before the trading deadline.

[Guest]

well, one implication is jones is willing to waive his limited no trade.

[jjgman21]

transplanting from the other thread

 

http://www.sptimes.com/2006/12/04/Rays/Salary_boom_win_win_f.shtml

 

More than what the Cubs have to offer....

 

An interested team likely would have to give up at least two young, frontline major-league-ready players who are three or more years from free agency. It would have to have the type of potential impact players the Rays are seeking, especially frontline starting pitchers. And it would have to share the Rays' view that there is compensatory value not only in Baldelli and Crawford's talent, but in their contracts -Crawford tops out at a $10-million salary in 2010, Baldelli at $9-million in 2011.

 

jjgman, please read above

 

That's how you makle a leak.

 

shutting out all possability of a trade is the way to make a leak? essentially that is what TB is doing here because I don't think anyone would be desperate enough to trade "at least two young, frontline major-league-ready players who are three or more years from free agency" for three years of Baldelli.

 

I think you inherently get my point though. it is not necessarily about what Hendry says when it comes to things like this. alot of times it is what others say and what the reporter decides to report.

 

a bit of a tangent here, but I think the Cubs may have the only set of beat reporters in baseball that are hell bent on destroying the team they cover. most other teams have reporters plant stories that help their situation.

[swordsman]

...who throws like a girl

 

My 6yr old and 4 yr old daughters are offended by that comment.

 

Take it back.

[UK1679666180]

I'll end this now:

 

Cubs get Burrell, Lieber, cash

White Sox get Rowand and Ohman

Phils get: Jones and Garcia

 

Call it a day and wait till manana. :D

[nilodnayr]

I really don't think it is Team friendly, I thought they overpaid for him when they signed him last year, and I still don't like the contract. I think Jacque will revert back to career numbers at the plate and he is a sieve in the field who throws like a girl

 

Considering how crazy the market is right now, you're not going to get a guy like Jacque Jones for $5M per year unless it's via a trade.

 

Nixon and Gonzalez probably aren't going to sign for a contract significantly more than Jacque's.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'll end this now:

 

Cubs get Burrell, Lieber, cash

White Sox get Rowand and Ohman

Phils get: Jones and Garcia

 

Call it a day and wait till manana. :D

 

yeah cubs give up jones and ohman, and get burrell, lieber and money. sounds reasonable to me! Maybe the phils and white sox can throw Hamels and McCarthy to the Cubs to even the deal out a bit :lol:

[goonys evil twin]

I really don't think it is Team friendly, I thought they overpaid for him when they signed him last year, and I still don't like the contract. I think Jacque will revert back to career numbers at the plate and he is a sieve in the field who throws like a girl

 

Considering how crazy the market is right now, you're not going to get a guy like Jacque Jones for $5M per year unless it's via a trade.

 

Nixon and Gonzalez probably aren't going to sign for a contract significantly more than Jacque's.

 

That's only because Nixon can't stay healthy enough to play everyday and Luis is a washed up old man.

[TruffleShuffle]

I really don't think it is Team friendly, I thought they overpaid for him when they signed him last year, and I still don't like the contract. I think Jacque will revert back to career numbers at the plate and he is a sieve in the field who throws like a girl

 

Considering how crazy the market is right now, you're not going to get a guy like Jacque Jones for $5M per year unless it's via a trade.

 

Nixon and Gonzalez probably aren't going to sign for a contract significantly more than Jacque's.

 

That's only because Nixon can't stay healthy enough to play everyday and Luis is a washed up old man.

 

yup, plus they test for steroids these days

[UBlink]

Expressing a willingness to accommodate a player's wish to be traded and down-playing a player's productivity are two completely different things. In the first case, as long as there are more than one or two teams interested in his services it doesn't matter if you want to trade him or not. A GM isn't going to let himself be outbid on a player he wants just because the player's current team wants to trade him. At the same time, even if you want to accommodate the player's wishes you should still refuse to trade him for less than he's worth to you.

 

I don't see anything here that diminshes Jones's value. If anything, his willingness to be traded reduces his leverage to extort concessions to waive his no-trade.

[CubsWin]

What is with Hendry and deflating his players' trade value?

 

Remind me to try and buy his house if/when he puts it up for sale.

Where was Jim Hendry quoted?

 

If that rumor is true, and Hendry is shopping him to everyone, and it's leaking, then how much leverage can he possibly have?

What approach would you suggest Hendry take for moving Jones, if it's not to sit down with other GMs at the Winter Meetings and see what they'd give for him?

 

Is he supposed to keep Jones' availability a secret or something?

 

no but you could make it actually seem like the Cubs are willing to keep him in 2006, since his contract is pretty team-friendly. Instead, it looks like Hendry is desperate to get rid of him.

Did anyone actually read the article?

Sun-Times[/url]"]Jones has indicated a desire to be dealt since Dusty Baker was let go as manager at the end of the season, and the Cubs appear willing to accommodate him if the right deal can be struck.

The phrase "Jones to anywhere" doesn't mean that the Cubs are desperate to trade him or that they are doing things that are resulting in Jones' trade value diminishing. The meaning of that one statement by itself is rather vague. It could mean that there are so many teams interested in acquiring him that we don't know where he will end up.

 

Why no one took it that way I don't know. Why it was only taken as a sign that Hendry is screwing up again I don't know either. Why that conclusion was arrived at when just a few sentences later it was written that the Cubs would only trade him "if the right deal can be struck" is beyond me.

[TruffleShuffle]

hey, we've found someone else who likes dusty baker!