Cubs sign DeRosa for 3 yrs/$13M

[soapy]

What i don't understand is what makes everyone think derosa would only get 2-3 mil a year? that is not the market right now, players are getting lots of money so you can either sit around and wait for a "bargain" or pay the price for the guy you want.

 

What I don't understand is why anybody would want DeRosa.

 

never said i did, just saying that this is the going rate, i would be willing to bet that durham gets at least 5-6 mill. what happens if derosa splits with jones? pretty good production in rf for less then 10 million. my whole point is you can't tear apart moves without knowing the real meaning behind them. i will let the offseason play out and judge from that point on.

How many off-seasons do you need to see play out? This is the same thing Hendry has been doing the last three years. I guess I don't see why people expect it to change now.

[CubColtPacer]

At some point I'm waiting to hear a DeRosa quote similar to what Scott Eyre said last year about the Cubs' offer.

 

"My agent and I sat down and came up with what we were looking for in free agency. Jim Hendry called us up and blew it out of the water with his offer. It was a no-brainer."

 

Something like:

 

DeRosa & Agent: Well, Jim, were looking for something in the neighborhood of 2yrs/3 mil

 

Hendry: 3 yrs/13 mil and that's my final offer!!!!

 

If Derosa was looking for 2 years/3 million, then he would be crazy also-there were teams out there that were willing to give him 4 million per (like I posted, there was one site that had him projected to make 7 per after this offseason :shock:). The only thing that this deal was a little above market value was the addition of the third year-otherwise it was about market value for him. Now, one could argue that market value is overpaying him (which could reasonably be true), but somebody was going to pay him similar money.

[Peoriaman]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

[JeffH]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

So, you're on speaking terms with Tim Wilken, huh?

[goonys evil twin]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

[TruffleShuffle]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

 

yes, people on internet message boards are much better sources for determining the quality of a signing

[BigbadB]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

 

yes, people on internet message boards are much better sources for determining the quality of a signing

 

It's about time you figured that out. :D

[YearofDaCubs]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

 

yes, people on internet message boards are much better sources for determining the quality of a signing

In all fairness considering the moves Hendry has made in the past you can make a case for it.

[goonys evil twin]

Wow, you all freak out about the littlest things. We know what Hank brings and its not like he's making starting catcher money. He's our backup, calls a great game, cut down other teams running, and is limited with the bat. I'll take my chances with Hank over Soto at this point. Calm down.

Again, it's a pattern:

$4.15 to Izturis

$4.5 to DeRosa

$3.25 to Rusch

$2.5 to Blanco

 

It's $14.4 million. It's not the "littlest thing"

 

You're assuming that those four positions on the team would be adequately filled by people making $0. You have to assume that the people there are at least making something.

 

4 players at an average of $400,000 each, combines to $1.6m. Make one of those guys a millionaire veteran and the total cost is $2.2 million, leaving $12.2 million on the table for somebody, or somebodies, who can actually help the team get better.

 

So you're going with Cedeno, one of the worst hitters in all of baseball, over Izturis next year. And you're going with Theriot, very possibly a one-year wonder, over DeRosa.

 

How does that come close to suggesting such a thing? $12.2 million could mean signing Lugo, and having enough left over for a decent starting pitching option. And you'd still have money for Soriano at 2B or CF. With a much better lineup, you have a good shot at surviving a Theriot/Cedeno platoon if need be.

 

And what is the difference in taking one of the worst hitters in all of baseball or Izturis?

[Wheelimus]

Time will tell. If he plays good defense at second and is right at an .800 OPS, then Hendry was right. If he is closer to a .700 OPS, we're right.

 

I personally and just begging to eat some [expletive] crow, but have waited a long time to have to do so...

[goonys evil twin]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

 

yes, people on internet message boards are much better sources for determining the quality of a signing

 

Some people are.

[Vinestal]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

 

yes, people on internet message boards are much better sources for determining the quality of a signing

 

Some people are.

 

If only in thier own minds.

[goonys evil twin]

I talked to a MLB scouting director today. He said that was a good signing by the Cubs, FWIW.

 

Scouting directors don't think about cost efficiency. They are excited if they find an unknown nobody who winds up having one decent season in the majors.

 

yes, people on internet message boards are much better sources for determining the quality of a signing

 

Some people are.

 

If only in thier own minds.

 

The results speak for themselves.

[Peoriaman]

My Lord, you people have high opinions of yourself. It was an AL scouting director.

[goonys evil twin]

My Lord, you people have high opinions of yourself. It was an AL scouting director.

 

Oh well then by all means it was a genius move on Hendry's part.

[Peoriaman]

screw you goony, I posted it FWIW. Get over yourself.

[goonys evil twin]

screw you goony, I posted it FWIW. Get over yourself.

 

 

:D :D :D :D

 

It's not worth much to me. Baseball people love to compliment one another. Scouting directors don't think about cost effective roster moves (see Jim Hendry), they think about finding diamonds in the rough. They don't mind failing on almost every guy as long as a couple do something. A GM, or anybody concerned with the makeup of a major league team, can't affort to think like a scout. They need more hits than misses.

[hardcorecubfan]

What the Cubs article said was Theriot and Cedeno would fight it out at second back-up, that means we are stuck with Izraturus (spelling) at ss.

 

why can't Ryan compete for that position?

[Vinestal]

What the Cubs article said was Theriot and Cedeno would fight it out at second back-up, that means we are stuck with Izraturus (spelling) at ss.

 

why can't Ryan compete for that position?

 

Because they are paying Izzy alot of money and he's a all-star gold glove winner (*sigh* much sarcasm implied here). Thats how Hendry thinks though.

[nick23]

screw you goony, I posted it FWIW. Get over yourself.

 

 

:D :D :D :D

 

It's not worth much to me. Baseball people love to compliment one another. Scouting directors don't think about cost effective roster moves (see Jim Hendry), they think about finding diamonds in the rough. They don't mind failing on almost every guy as long as a couple do something. A GM, or anybody concerned with the makeup of a major league team, can't affort to think like a scout. They need more hits than misses.

 

I love it. There's nothing funnier to me that someone getting this pissed off on a baseball message board.

[abuck1220]

Wow, you all freak out about the littlest things. We know what Hank brings and its not like he's making starting catcher money. He's our backup, calls a great game, cut down other teams running, and is limited with the bat. I'll take my chances with Hank over Soto at this point. Calm down.

Again, it's a pattern:

$4.15 to Izturis

$4.5 to DeRosa

$3.25 to Rusch

$2.5 to Blanco

 

It's $14.4 million. It's not the "littlest thing"

 

You're assuming that those four positions on the team would be adequately filled by people making $0. You have to assume that the people there are at least making something.

 

4 players at an average of $400,000 each, combines to $1.6m. Make one of those guys a millionaire veteran and the total cost is $2.2 million, leaving $12.2 million on the table for somebody, or somebodies, who can actually help the team get better.

 

So you're going with Cedeno, one of the worst hitters in all of baseball, over Izturis next year. And you're going with Theriot, very possibly a one-year wonder, over DeRosa.

 

yeah, b/c if anybody is not a one year wonder, it's definitely derosa.

[noisesquared]

Wow, you all freak out about the littlest things. We know what Hank brings and its not like he's making starting catcher money. He's our backup, calls a great game, cut down other teams running, and is limited with the bat. I'll take my chances with Hank over Soto at this point. Calm down.

Again, it's a pattern:

$4.15 to Izturis

$4.5 to DeRosa

$3.25 to Rusch

$2.5 to Blanco

 

It's $14.4 million. It's not the "littlest thing"

 

You're assuming that those four positions on the team would be adequately filled by people making $0. You have to assume that the people there are at least making something.

 

4 players at an average of $400,000 each, combines to $1.6m. Make one of those guys a millionaire veteran and the total cost is $2.2 million, leaving $12.2 million on the table for somebody, or somebodies, who can actually help the team get better.

 

So you're going with Cedeno, one of the worst hitters in all of baseball, over Izturis next year. And you're going with Theriot, very possibly a one-year wonder, over DeRosa.

 

The same argument could be made that the Cubs are going with Izturis, one of the worst hitters in baseball, and with DeRosa, very possibly a one-year wonder. I'll take my chances w/ Cedeno and Theriot and the extra $7 million over Izturis and DeRosa.

[TruffleShuffle]

screw you goony, I posted it FWIW. Get over yourself.

 

 

:D :D :D :D

 

It's not worth much to me. Baseball people love to compliment one another. Scouting directors don't think about cost effective roster moves (see Jim Hendry), they think about finding diamonds in the rough. They don't mind failing on almost every guy as long as a couple do something. A GM, or anybody concerned with the makeup of a major league team, can't affort to think like a scout. They need more hits than misses.

 

Did you consider that maybe the scouting director wasn't evaluating it from a scouting standpoint, but from a baseball standpoint?

[goonys evil twin]

screw you goony, I posted it FWIW. Get over yourself.

 

 

:D :D :D :D

 

It's not worth much to me. Baseball people love to compliment one another. Scouting directors don't think about cost effective roster moves (see Jim Hendry), they think about finding diamonds in the rough. They don't mind failing on almost every guy as long as a couple do something. A GM, or anybody concerned with the makeup of a major league team, can't affort to think like a scout. They need more hits than misses.

 

Did you consider that maybe the scouting director wasn't evaluating it from a scouting standpoint, but from a baseball standpoint?

 

I figured a scouting director was evaluating it from the standpoint of who he is and what he values in baseball. He probably values the scrappiness of the player, the fact that he responded when given a little more playing time, the fact that he's willing to play many positions without complaint. Not to mention, the fact that he probably made the scout who signed him look smart by actually sticking in the majors for a long time. What I doubt is that he's looking at the Cubs budget, the Cubs needs, and the Cubs past mistakes, and judging how this helps the Cubs win the World Series.

[Peoriaman]

We did discuss it from a player/money perspective. He told me you can throw out the standard money preconceptions now as baseball is awash with money and this is a weak free agent class. He said anybody that thinks 4 million is outlandish in this environment is ill-informed.