Would you want Baldelli?

[b_wiggy_66]

Would you do Marshall and Novoa or another propect for Baldelli? He is a young good CF who has speed, great range, some pop, and hes rumored to be on the block for some pitching. Would you do it? and would the Rays do it?

[Drew Doughty]

I'd do the deal if he's interested in posting a full, healthy year with the line he put up this year (302/339/533)

[mg420]

Would you do Marshall and Novoa or another propect for Baldelli? He is a young good CF who has speed, great range, some pop, and hes rumored to be on the block for some pitching. Would you do it? and would the Rays do it?

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he would be a great pickup if he is on the block. if they could get him for marshall & nova they'd have to do the deal. my guess is that he would be much more expensive than that though.

[CubsWin]

Would you do Marshall and Novoa or another propect for Baldelli? He is a young good CF who has speed, great range, some pop, and hes rumored to be on the block for some pitching. Would you do it? and would the Rays do it?

I wouldn't call Badelli a prospect. He is a fairly known entity. That said, he is still pre-prime and bound to continue improving, how much is the question.

 

If Marshall and Novoa would do it, I would have to consider it. I'll have to look at his numbers again.

 

Whether the D-Rays would do it is dependent upon how desperate they are to make room for their top OF prospects by trading away their existing OFers for pitching.

[Neuby]

Hendry being a goof or not I think the Rays will be getting three arms in a deal for Rocco , Marshall and Novoa are a good start.

[Drew Doughty]

Hendry being a goof or not I think the Rays will be getting three arms in a deal for Rocco , Marshall and Novoa are a good start.

 

I'd certainly consider Marshall + Novoa + a Mateo type for him. If they only want Marshall and Novoa it's a no-brainer though.

[b_wiggy_66]

I would definitely love to see Baldelli in a Cubs uniform. Maybe since Piniella had him in Tampa he would recommend him to Hendry.

[mhuber92211]

All of these are answers are YES. Baldelli will have another breakout year this season and actually will have some pub for something NOT realted to injury. Marshall Novoa and Holdskam does it I would imagine

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I'd rather spend more in talent to get Crawford if I'm trading with Tampa.

[questionmarkgrace]

Any unreasonable demand is always the right one for the devil rays. My guess they would want Rich Hill and Donald Veal and Hendry would slowly back away. They are the true definition of an organization with no direction. Too many outfield prospects not enough pitching. So logic would tell you that they should trade from their strength to improve their weakness. Right? No they are content to sit with Baldelli, Gomes, Dukes, Young, Crawford, Upton who should be in center, and Joel Guzman who should be in left field. That's seven major league ready hitters, some experienced some not, for three positions. Now they have these crazy ideas that dukes can play first and Guzman can go back to playing third. They keep collecting these guys and they only make a trade when free agency is about to force someone out. And even then they demand the top prospect of whom ever they're dealing with. what a joke. If they just traded two or three of these guys they could be a decent team.

[Drew Doughty]

I haven't seen any trends that suggest any of what the above poster suggested with the new ownership and management.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Yes on Baldelli, Hell yes on Crawford, but more likely to get Baldelli then Crawford.

[nilodnayr]

Yes on Baldelli, Hell yes on Crawford, but more likely to get Baldelli then Crawford.

 

Crawfords OPS + last year 111

Baldellis OPS +last year 119

 

Both were their age 24 seasons

 

Assuming all options are picked up Crawford is signed 4 years 27.5M - 29M

Assuming all options are picked up Baldelli is signed 5 years 28 +unnamed performance bonuses since Baldelli did not reach 600 PAs in 2006, which would have guaranteed him 4M more.

 

So basically 4 years of Crawford is the same as 5 years of Baldelli.

 

Baldelli has always played center, while Crawford has mainly played left. Even when Baldelli was out in 05, they played Damon Hollins in CF, not Crawford. I know hes a good athelete, but who knows how well he will fair in CF. I'm not so much concerned with his defense, just simply pointing that out.

 

With Crawford having much more perceived value in the marketplace due to his steals, is it really a wonder which one is being heavily shopped by the DRays? They would much rather get rid of Crawford. I'd prefer Baldelli...afterall, we aren't creating a fantasy baseball team here.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Yes on Baldelli, Hell yes on Crawford, but more likely to get Baldelli then Crawford.

 

Crawfords OPS + last year 111

Baldellis OPS +last year 119

 

Both were their age 24 seasons

 

Assuming all options are picked up Crawford is signed 4 years 27.5M - 29M

Assuming all options are picked up Baldelli is signed 5 years 28 +unnamed performance bonuses since Baldelli did not reach 600 PAs in 2006, which would have guaranteed him 4M more.

 

So basically 4 years of Crawford is the same as 5 years of Baldelli.

 

Baldelli has always played center, while Crawford has mainly played left. Even when Baldelli was out in 05, they played Damon Hollins in CF, not Crawford. I know hes a good athelete, but who knows how well he will fair in CF. I'm not so much concerned with his defense, just simply pointing that out.

 

With Crawford having much more perceived value in the marketplace due to his steals, is it really a wonder which one is being heavily shopped by the DRays? They would much rather get rid of Crawford. I'd prefer Baldelli...afterall, we aren't creating a fantasy baseball team here.

 

Like I said, I would love to get one of the two (pipedream would be to get both, but oh well), and if the Cubs can do it with say...Gooz/Marshall/Mateo/ type young arms, then move to it.

[rawaction]

Yes on Baldelli, Hell yes on Crawford, but more likely to get Baldelli then Crawford.

 

Crawfords OPS + last year 111

Baldellis OPS +last year 119

 

Both were their age 24 seasons

 

Assuming all options are picked up Crawford is signed 4 years 27.5M - 29M

Assuming all options are picked up Baldelli is signed 5 years 28 +unnamed performance bonuses since Baldelli did not reach 600 PAs in 2006, which would have guaranteed him 4M more.

 

So basically 4 years of Crawford is the same as 5 years of Baldelli.

 

Baldelli has always played center, while Crawford has mainly played left. Even when Baldelli was out in 05, they played Damon Hollins in CF, not Crawford. I know hes a good athelete, but who knows how well he will fair in CF. I'm not so much concerned with his defense, just simply pointing that out.

 

With Crawford having much more perceived value in the marketplace due to his steals, is it really a wonder which one is being heavily shopped by the DRays? They would much rather get rid of Crawford. I'd prefer Baldelli...afterall, we aren't creating a fantasy baseball team here.

 

I think potentially, Baldelli and Crawford are pretty much neck and neck. Almost the exact same walk rate in their careers. But both have been inconsistent. Crawford posted a career best BB/PA this year, while Baldelli was at a career worst. Baldelli has shown (and will continue to have) more power, but both project to be 30 HR hitters, maybe even as early as 2007. They are about a month apart in age, but Crawford has 1200 more ML at bats. Defensively, there probably isn't much difference. Crawford has more speed, but Baldelli is no slouch, having stolen 27 as a rookie, in his only full season. Baldelli strikes out more, but the power difference should negate whatever value that has.

 

It's really a coin-flip, to me.

 

Career:

Crawford- .292 .326 .434 .760

Baldelli- .289 .329 .451 .780

 

And that's with Baldelli having a huge power showing last year, and Crawford has had 3 straight improving seasons all which have been a pretty decent amount better than his career average.

[JeffH]

For either one, the Rays can have any two pitchers in the organization not named Zambrano or Hill.

 

Then, I get to take two pitchers off the table and then they can choose one other pitcher.

[BigbadB]

I'd take Baldelli or Crawford.

[Backtobanks]

These are the kind of players (Baldelli & Crawford) that the Cubs ought to be going after if they're available. Young players who can contribute next year and in the future. Forget the rumors about Bonds or Alou. An OF of Murton, Baldelli/Crawford, and Pie would be set for the next decade.

[jmajew]

These are the kind of players (Baldelli & Crawford) that the Cubs ought to be going after if they're available. Young players who can contribute next year and in the future. Forget the rumors about Bonds or Alou. An OF of Murton, Baldelli/Crawford, and Pie would be set for the next decade.

 

Baldelli would be a great addition. I love the idea of adding young players who are already tied up for the next few years. Where was the source that said Baldelli was available? I have only heard that Crawford was.

[BigbadB]

I haven't seen anything either, but it doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't consider trading him for the right package. They have definitely expressed that Crawford is available. Tampa has a ridiculously crowded outfield and a gaping hole in their rotation. It would make sense for them to make some of these outfielders available for pitching.

 

Baldelli, Crawford, Gomes, Young, Dukes, Upton and Guzman are all potentially outfielders. Zobrist pushes Upton to 3rd, Longoria pushes Upton AND Guzman to the outfield.

[questionmarkgrace]

I haven't seen any trends that suggest any of what the above poster suggested with the new ownership and management.

 

They waited until the last minute to trade lugo because he was going to be a free agent and they low balled him on a contract jsut prior to the trade. . And they waited unit Gathright's value was at its lowest. They also made a trade with the dodgers and the center piece was another oufielder. They have all of these part to trade for pitching and continue to sit on them. At least the old ownership got Kazmir, what has this one done? Nothing at all. They are afraid to make any deals especially with free agents. Its perpetual building mode and they are still the biggest joke in the mlb.

[rawaction]

I haven't seen anything either, but it doesn't necessarily mean they wouldn't consider trading him for the right package. They have definitely expressed that Crawford is available. Tampa has a ridiculously crowded outfield and a gaping hole in their rotation. It would make sense for them to make some of these outfielders available for pitching.

 

Baldelli, Crawford, Gomes, Young, Dukes, Upton and Guzman are all potentially outfielders. Zobrist pushes Upton to 3rd, Longoria pushes Upton AND Guzman to the outfield.

 

I don't think Dukes is long for that club. My best guess is Crawford gets traded by this time next year. Baldelli in CF. Young in RF. Guzman at 1B. Upton in LF. Gomes DH. I'd really look at getting Gomes. Great patience. Great power. K's a ton, but with the right hitting coach, I still believe he can become a real good player. And the fact that he's been injured, is the oldest (at 26 in a few weeks), and is viewed as having the least upside of the group probably makes him the least expensive to obtain in a trade.

 

In case you haven't noticed.....I'd take anyone in the D'Rays OF on the Cubs, and give up some good talent to do so.

[BigbadB]

Gomes is the oldest, but Crawford and Baldelli are the most expensive. As cost conscious as they are, any of the 3 are good bets to be dealt.

[rawaction]

Gomes is the oldest, but Crawford and Baldelli are the most expensive. As cost conscious as they are, any of the 3 are good bets to be dealt.

 

For some reason, every small market team (except the A's with great scouting and the Marlins with spending sprees every 4 years) seems to have a player that they covet and hang on to as their "franchise" player, and seem to be willing to offer a decent amount of money to keep. Royals with Sweeney. Pirates with Kendall, now Bay. Colorado with Helton (though they've spent money in the past). I think TB sees Baldelli as that type of player. They've had several top draft picks, but Rocco is the only one to NOT completely flop, become addicted to drugs, consistently play 1 defensive positions well, or throw a bat at an umpire.

 

BTW, we haven't even mentioned Wes Bankston who could take away the 5th option of 1B in the very near future for all those OFs.

[BigbadB]

They'd really have a crowded outfield right now if Josh Hamilton never got himself in trouble.