Venezuela Winter League

[craig]

Players have deviant results in small sample sizes all the time.

 

But hitters do make adjustments, and sometimes they matter. It's at least possible that a young hitter like Cedeno has done that, for the good? Who knows what that might be. Perhaps something to get back toward the comfort level and plate coverage that he had in 2005. Probably just a meaningless small-sample fluke, but it's at least possible that it bodes well for future.

 

Cedeno showed enough good in 05 to think he had a chance to be good. He showed enough bad in 06 to think he might be worthless. (His defense, hustle, and game awareness also seemed often unsatisfactory.) Given the Izturis contract and situation, I would certainly like to see Cedeno get the year at Iowa and see if he can reestablish himself as a plausible, acceptable low-cost SS down the road.

 

One other hopeful thought. Some adjustments take a while to pay off. Cedeno got himself out on a lot of bad balls in 2006, and walked little. His winter and playoff walk rate has been fine, nothing special but 10% or so. But that hasn't been continuous. Over his first 50 AB he had only one walk. So his next 100 AB involved a lot of walks to catch up, and he's sustained decent rate in playoffs. It's possible that he made a change, resulting in the somewhat abrupt increase in walks received, that it didn't pay off in terms of improved hitting right away, but that now he's reaping some benefits in his hitting?

 

One can always hope.

[biittner77]

Is it possible Ronny was "working on something" (swing, stance, philosophy, who knows?) during the regular season (some people think that's what minor leagues and winter leagues are for) and now in the playoffs is just trying to hit the ball?

 

"Ronny, go home and forget everything Dusty Baker ever told you about hitting"

 

"Ok, but it may take until the playoffs to do that"

[Balsa]

Is it possible Ronny was "working on something" (swing, stance, philosophy, who knows?) during the regular season (some people think that's what minor leagues and winter leagues are for) and now in the playoffs is just trying to hit the ball?

 

"Ronny, go home and forget everything Dusty Baker ever told you about hitting"

 

"Ok, but it may take until the playoffs to do that"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tigres win 4-2, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/3, 2 K (11)

 

Navegantes won 15-1, box:

 

1B T. Pérez 0/3, K (6)

 

Overall (Playoffs):

 

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 15/51, .294/.339/.686/1.025, 5 BB, 11 K, 4 HR, 2 3B, 4 2B, 1/1 SB, 0 E

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 12/49, .245/.304/.306/.610, 5 BB, 6 K, 3 2B, 0/1 SB, 1 E

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Navegantes lose 4-3 in 10 innings, box:

 

1B T. Pérez 0/2, R, RBI

 

Leones lose 3-0, box:

 

C H. Blanco DNP

 

Overall (Playoffs):

 

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 12/51, .235/.293/.294/.587, 5 BB, 6 K, 3 2B, 0/1 SB, 1 E

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tigres win 5-4, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 1/2, 2 R, 3B (3), BB (6)

 

Leones lose 2-1, box:

 

C H. Blanco DNP

 

Overall (Playoffs):

 

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 16/53, .302/.355/.717/1.072, 6 BB, 11 K, 4 HR, 3 3B, 4 2B, 1/1 SB, 0 E

[Guest]

Raisin,

 

Do you have Ronny's overall line calculated?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Raisin,

 

Do you have Ronny's overall line calculated?

 

48/192, .250/.300/.432/.732, 1 HBP, 17 BB, 41 K, 6 HR, 3 3B, 11 2B, 1/5 SB, 5 E

[otis89]

Dang. 3 triples in the playoffs? :shock:

[Guest]

Raisin,

 

Do you have Ronny's overall line calculated?

 

48/192, .250/.300/.432/.732, 1 HBP, 17 BB, 41 K, 6 HR, 3 3B, 11 2B, 1/5 SB, 5 E

Thank you.

 

That's certainly less impressive than his playoff numbers. However, there are certainly a lot of positive things he can take out of this winter.

[Mephistopheles]

Only two hundred plate appearances, but it's nice to see some power from Lil Ronny. For what it's worth, he slugged four hundred in September.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

SUNDAY:

 

Leones lose 5-4, box:

 

C H. Blanco 0/2

 

Tigres beat the Navegantes 7-3, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 4/4, 2 R, 2B (5)

1B T. Pérez 2/4, R, 2B (4)

 

Overall (Playoffs):

 

Henry Blanco (Leones): 16/49, .327/.389/.388/.777, 2 HBP, 3 BB, 7 K, 3 2B, 1 HR

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 20/57, .351/.394/.754/1.148, 6 BB, 11 K, 4 HR, 3 3B, 5 2B, 1/1 SB

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 14/55, .255/.349/.327/.676, 5 BB, 6 K, 4 2B, 0/1 SB, 1 E

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Venezuelan Winter League: Magallanes and Aragua emerged from the round-robin tournament, and held their pre-final player draft on Sunday. Magallanes added catcher Henry Blanco, while Aragua picked up first baseman Randall Simon. In order to make room for Simon, the Tigers dropped Diamondbacks catching prospect Miguel Montero from its roster. The Venezuelan final begins Tuesday in Valencia.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tigres beat the Navegantes 6-2, box:

 

C H. Blanco 0/3, K (1)

1B T. Pérez 0/3, RBI

SS R. Cedeño 0/0, BB (1) - ejected in the second inning after the walk, for arguing with opposing pitcher Géremi González in a bench-clearing altercation:

 

El partido fue interrumpido por varios minutos debido a que se vaciaron los dogouts de ambas novenas luego de un discusión entre el lanzador Géremi González y el bateador Ronny Cedeño. Ambos peloteros fueron expulsados del partido.

 

Overall (Finals):

 

Henry Blanco (Leones): 0/3, 1 K

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 0/3

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 0/0, 1 BB

Edited January 25, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[YearofDaCubs]

Tigres beat the Navegantes 6-2, box:

 

C H. Blanco 0/3, K (8)

SS R. Cedeño 0/0, BB (7) - ejected in the second inning after his walk, along with opposing pitcher Géremi González - from what I can tell, it was for arguing but someone who knows better Spanish might want to help out:

 

El partido fue interrumpido por varios minutos debido a que se vaciaron los dogouts de ambas novenas luego de un discusión entre el lanzador Géremi González y el bateador Ronny Cedeño. Ambos peloteros fueron expulsados del partido.

 

Overall (Playoffs):

 

Henry Blanco (Leones): 16/52, .308/.368/.423/.791, 2 HBP, 3 BB, 8 K, 3 2B, 1 HR

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 20/57, .351/.403/.754/1.157, 7 BB, 11 K, 4 HR, 3 3B, 5 2B, 1/1 SB

Per Google. I modified it a bit to make more sense:

The game was interrupted by several minutes because the dugouts emptied of both teams after a discussion between the pitcher Géremi González and the batter Ronny Cedeño. Both players were expelled from the game.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

That's what I thought it was, but my Spanish is limited. A bench-clearing brawl and the pitcher and batter were ejected...but how does a walk cause a bench-clearing brawl?

 

And yes, this is former Cub Géremi González.

[soccer10k]

That's what I thought it was, but my Spanish is limited. A bench-clearing brawl and the pitcher and batter were ejected...but how does a walk cause a bench-clearing brawl?

 

And yes, this is former Cub Géremi González.

 

Just saw it on SportsCenter. Gonzalez threw the ball behind Cedeno on a 3-0 pitch. Cedeno didn't like it and started jawing at Gonzalez. Gonzalez started walking towards Cedeno and they continued jawing (Cedeno was sort of walking towards first but not really). Then Gonzalez charged at Cedeno and the benches cleared. Both were ejected.

[abuck1220]

gonzalez also did a running jump kick aimed at cedeno.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

No brawls for Ronny today. Tigres beat the Navegantes 8-5, box:

 

SS R. Cedeño 0/5, K (1)

C H. Blanco 1/2, K (2)

1B T. Pérez 0/4, 2 K (2)

 

Overall (Finals):

 

Henry Blanco (Navegantes): 1/5, 2 K

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 0/7, 2 K

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 0/5, 1 BB, 1 K

Edited January 26, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tigres beat the Navegantes 6-0, box:

 

C H. Blanco 0/3, K (3), BB (1)

SS R. Cedeño 1/2, 2 R, 2B (1), 2 BB (3), K (2)

 

Overall (Finals):

 

Henry Blanco (Navegantes): 1/8, .125/.222/.125/.347, 1 BB, 3 K

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 1/7, .143/.400/.286/.686, 1 2B, 3 BB, 2 K

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Navegantes beats the Tigres 8-4, box:

 

C H. Blanco 2/4, 2B (1)

1B T. Pérez 1/2, R

SS R. Cedeño 0/5, 4 K (6) - ouch

 

Overall (Finals):

 

Henry Blanco (Navegantes): 3/12, .250/.308/.333/.641, 1 2B, 1 BB, 3 K

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 1/9, .111/.111/.111/.222, 2 K

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 1/16, .063/.211/.125/.336, 1 2B, 3 BB, 6 K

Edited January 29, 2007 by CaliforniaRaisin

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Tigres beat the Navegantes 11-10, thanks to 8 runs in the bottom of the 9th, link:

 

C H. Blanco 1/4 K (4)

1B T. Pérez 1/4, K (3), 2B (1)

SS R. Cedeño 4/7, R, RBI, 2 K (8)

 

Overall (Finals):

 

Henry Blanco (Navegantes): 4/16, .250/.294/.313/.607, 1 2B, 1 BB, 4 K

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 2/13, .154/.154/.231/.385, 1 2B, 3 K

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 5/23, .217/.308/.261/.569, 1 2B, 3 BB, 8 K

[Bull]

Raisin,

 

Do you have Ronny's overall line calculated?

 

48/192, .250/.300/.432/.732, 1 HBP, 17 BB, 41 K, 6 HR, 3 3B, 11 2B, 1/5 SB, 5 E

Thank you.

 

That's certainly less impressive than his playoff numbers. However, there are certainly a lot of positive things he can take out of this winter.

 

I'd certainly think you weight the playoff numbers heavier. It looks like he working on specific things during the reg season, and concentrating on winning during the playoffs.

[Bull]

That's what I thought it was, but my Spanish is limited. A bench-clearing brawl and the pitcher and batter were ejected...but how does a walk cause a bench-clearing brawl?

 

And yes, this is former Cub Géremi González.

 

If the pitcher throws at your head and misses for ball four.

--edit: someone said this five days ago...I'm slow

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Final VWL Stats (Regular Season and All Playoff Games):

 

Henry Blanco (Navegantes): 57/245, .233/.295/.335/.630, 21 BB, 35 K, 3 HBP, 13 2B, 4 HR, 4 E

Ronny Cedeño (Tigres): 57/215, .265/.317/.437/.754, 1 HBP, 20 BB, 47 K, 6 HR, 3 3B, 13 2B, 1/5 SB, 5 E

Robinson Chirinos (Navegantes): 3/15, .200/.294/.333/.627, 1 BB, 3 K, 1 HBP, 2 2B, 1/1 SB, 1 E

Buck Coats (Tigres): 20/95, .211/.294/.326/.620, 11 BB, 15 K, 1 HBP, 2 2B, 3 HR, 2/2 SB, 1 E

Tomás Pérez (Navegantes): 68/269, .253/.298/.297/.695, 17 BB, 28 K, 3 HBP, 12 2B, 2/3 SB, 5 E

Carlos Rojas (Caribes): 1/6, 1 BB, 1 K

Chris Walker (Caribes): 27/126, .214/.303/.286/.589, 16 BB, 26 K, 3 HBP, 6 2B, 1 HR, 18/22 SB, 1 E

 

Thomas Atlee (Caribes): 21 IP, 9 ER, 22 H, 13 K/12 BB, 2 HR, 3.86 ERA, 1.62 WHIP

Cory Bailey (Aragua - reg season only): 68.1 IP, 17 ER, 63 H, 45 K/4 BB, 1 HR, 2.24 ERA, 0.98 WHIP

Angel Guzmán (Navegantes): 30.1 IP, 9 ER, 22 H, 26 K/5 BB, 2 HR, 2.67 ERA, 0.89 WHIP - and his curve is back :)

Isaac Pavlik (Caribes): 22 IP, 14 ER, 26 H, 15 K/12 BB, 3 HR, 5.73 ERA, 1.73 WHIP