My 2007 Cubs

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd try to trade Marshall and others (possibilities include Mateo, Novoa, Aardsma, Marmol, Harvey, Dopriak) for Andruw Jones. I'd then sign Durham for second.

 

2b Durham

LF Murton

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

CF Jones

RF Jones

C Barrett

SS Izturis

 

I'd then pursue Schmidt as a starting pitcher, giving me a rotation of:

Zambrano, Schmidt, Prior, Hill, and Miller or one of the rookies.

 

My bench would be: Pagan, Moore, Theriot, Soto, and Craig Wilson if I could get him.

 

The bullpen would be Dempster, Howry, Eyre, Wuertz, Aardsma, Ohman, and Ryu.

 

I think that team could come in at or near 100 million.

 

The key move would be getting Jones for CF.

 

 

 

You're still counting on Prior or Miller to be healthy April 1st and exceeding the payroll. Did you lock Zambrano up? Probably the best line-up yet, but your rotation ends up schmidt and Z and pray for D.

You're strongly discounting Hill.

 

I think the money is there to lock Zambrano up as well. I'll crunch the numbers and be right back.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

C Barrett- 4.5 million

1b Lee - 13 million

2b – Durham -5 million (2/10.5 million contract)

SS Izturis – 4 million

3b Ramirez- 13 million (4/52 extension)

LF Murton- 350 K (est)

CF Jones 13 million

RF Jones- 4 million

SP Zambrano- 10 million (est)

SP Schmidt (4/45- structured 10,11,12,12)- 10

SP Prior 4.5 million (est)

SP Hill 350 K

SP Miller 2-3 million?

 

Bullpen: Dempster (5 million), Howry (4 million), Eyre (3.5 million), Ohman (1 million- est), Wuertz (350 K), and Aardsma (350 K)

 

Bench:

Soto- 330 K

Theriot- 330 K

C. Wilson (2 year 7.5 million contract)- 3.5

Pagan – 350 K

Moore - 330 K

 

That's near a 100 million payroll. There's still some flexibility there to add to Zambrano's figure if needed. Dempster might also be moved to create some financial flexibility.

[Mizzou]

Durham is making 7M this year, I can't see any way he only gets 5 million next year, especially after the year he's having. And I think you're severely underestimating the contract that Z will get. I'd look at Oswalt's new deal for a ballpark area of what Zambrano will command.

[Bruno7481]

I'd try to trade Marshall and others (possibilities include Mateo, Novoa, Aardsma, Marmol, Harvey, Dopriak) for Andruw Jones. I'd then sign Durham for second.

 

2b Durham

LF Murton

1b Lee

3b Ramirez

CF Jones

RF Jones

C Barrett

SS Izturis

 

I'd then pursue Schmidt as a starting pitcher, giving me a rotation of:

Zambrano, Schmidt, Prior, Hill, and Miller or one of the rookies.

 

My bench would be: Pagan, Moore, Theriot, Soto, and Craig Wilson if I could get him.

 

The bullpen would be Dempster, Howry, Eyre, Wuertz, Aardsma, Ohman, and Ryu.

 

I think that team could come in at or near 100 million.

 

The key move would be getting Jones for CF.

 

 

 

You're still counting on Prior or Miller to be healthy April 1st and exceeding the payroll. Did you lock Zambrano up? Probably the best line-up yet, but your rotation ends up schmidt and Z and pray for D.

You're strongly discounting Hill.

 

I think the money is there to lock Zambrano up as well. I'll crunch the numbers and be right back.

 

I like Hill, especially how he finished the year. I hope he continues it next year, but I'm not counting on him as a sure thing.

 

His HR rate worries me a bit, he gave up quite a few, 16 in 99 innings.

[LuckyPup]

Well, lets see:

 

Re-sign Rammy!

 

Trade Dempster(5)+Jones(5)+Mateo to Dodgers for Drew(11)-take all the remaining salary-

 

Trade Marshall+Izturis(4.5)+Gallagher+Dopirak to orioles for Tejada(12)

 

Sign Schmidt 4/46M( 11,11,12,12)

 

Re-sign Miller 1/3M with mutual option of 6M-

 

Re-sign Kerry to incentive deal with 1M base(plus buyout of 3M)

 

Sign Durham(2/ 10)

 

callup Pie and let him play CF

 

2B-Durham(5)

LF-Murton(4k)

SS-Tejada(12)

RF-Drew(11)

1B-Lee(11)

3B-Ramirez(12)

C-Barrett(4)

CF-Pie(3k)

Total=55.7M

 

Zambrano(9)

Schmidt(11)

Hill(3k)

Prior(5)

Miller(3)

28.3M

 

Wood(1M)

Eyre(4)

Howry(4)

Wuertz(4k)

Aardsma(350k)

Marmol(3k)

10.5M

 

Cedeno-(3k)

Theriot(3k)

Soto(3k)

Pagan(3k)

Stairs(2M)

C Wilson(5M)

8.2M

 

102.7 payroll

[CoolHandLuke]

Durham is making 7M this year, I can't see any way he only gets 5 million next year, especially after the year he's having. And I think you're severely underestimating the contract that Z will get. I'd look at Oswalt's new deal for a ballpark area of what Zambrano will command.

 

Zambrano is still under team control for at least a year meaning the early part of the contract only has to buy out his arbitration year(s). I guess what I'm trying to say is that the overall value will probably be in the oswalt ballpark, but the first year at least (is '07 Z's last year of arbitration?) could very possibly be in the 8-12 range.

[Magnetic Curses]

ideally? well, it's possible that:

 

RF- Brady Clark

2b- Ryan Theriot

1b- Derrek Lee

CF- Jim Edmonds

C- Michael Barrett

3b- Scott Moore

LF- Matt Murton

SS- Cesar Izturis

 

Bench:

 

Restovich

Pagan

Graffanino

Branyan

Cedeno

Blanco

 

Rotation

 

1. Zambrano

2. Zito

3. Schmidt

4. Hill

5. Prior

 

Relief

 

Wood

Howry

Eyre

Wuertz

Novoa

Ohman

 

I think it's a championship team

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Durham is making 7M this year, I can't see any way he only gets 5 million next year, especially after the year he's having. And I think you're severely underestimating the contract that Z will get. I'd look at Oswalt's new deal for a ballpark area of what Zambrano will command.

 

Zambrano is still under team control for at least a year meaning the early part of the contract only has to buy out his arbitration year(s). I guess what I'm trying to say is that the overall value will probably be in the oswalt ballpark, but the first year at least (is '07 Z's last year of arbitration?) could very possibly be in the 8-12 range.

 

Yes, '07 is Z's last year of arbitration.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll give it a whirl.

 

Sign Durham 2/17 (7/8/8 Team option w/2M buyout)

 

Trade Murton and Atkins for Hudson

 

Sign or trade a lower level prospect for Eric Byrnes. Someone like Emil Brown works too if we decide to dump a contract like Dempster or Jones(although in Jones's case then it probably isn't wise to trade Murton)

 

Go after a RF. Options range from J.D. Drew to Trot Nixon to Brad Hawpe to Michael Cuddyer to David Dellucci. Someone worthwhile will be available, and Nixon is a FA.

 

Durham

Jones/Byrnes

Lee

Ramirez

RF

Barrett

Pie

Izturis

 

Z, Hudson, Hill, Prior, Marshall/Marmol/Guzman/Mateo

 

Aardsma, Ohman, Dempster, Eyre, Howry, Wuertz(Closer)

 

Soto, Theriot, Byrnes, Pagan, 2 FA's(need to cover 3B, one should be a good LH bat, Branyan? Hinske?)

[CoolHandLuke]

I'll give it a whirl.

 

Sign Durham 2/17 (7/8/8 Team option w/2M buyout)

 

Trade Murton and Atkins for Hudson

 

Sign or trade a lower level prospect for Eric Byrnes. Someone like Emil Brown works too if we decide to dump a contract like Dempster or Jones(although in Jones's case then it probably isn't wise to trade Murton)

 

Go after a RF. Options range from J.D. Drew to Trot Nixon to Brad Hawpe to Michael Cuddyer to David Dellucci. Someone worthwhile will be available, and Nixon is a FA.

 

Durham

Jones/Byrnes

Lee

Ramirez

RF

Barrett

Pie

Izturis

 

Z, Hudson, Hill, Prior, Marshall/Marmol/Guzman/Mateo

 

Aardsma, Ohman, Dempster, Eyre, Howry, Wuertz(Closer)

 

Soto, Theriot, Byrnes, Pagan, 2 FA's(need to cover 3B, one should be a good LH bat, Branyan? Hinske?)

 

I don't like that deal considering Hudson's big salary in 08 and 09 (13 million) and especially due to his down year. I think if we go after him we should try to do it with a lesser player than murton, which I think would be possibly because it seems that the braves need to cut some payroll. Also why would you put Byrnes of the .322 career obp in the two hole? With his decent power it seems like he would fit best hitting 6th or 7th.

[SouthSideRyan]

Agreed, Hudson shouldn't cost that much, and if he does, the Braves should be pitching in serious salary relief.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'll give it a whirl.

 

Sign Durham 2/17 (7/8/8 Team option w/2M buyout)

 

Trade Murton and Atkins for Hudson

 

Sign or trade a lower level prospect for Eric Byrnes. Someone like Emil Brown works too if we decide to dump a contract like Dempster or Jones(although in Jones's case then it probably isn't wise to trade Murton)

 

Go after a RF. Options range from J.D. Drew to Trot Nixon to Brad Hawpe to Michael Cuddyer to David Dellucci. Someone worthwhile will be available, and Nixon is a FA.

 

Durham

Jones/Byrnes

Lee

Ramirez

RF

Barrett

Pie

Izturis

 

Z, Hudson, Hill, Prior, Marshall/Marmol/Guzman/Mateo

 

Aardsma, Ohman, Dempster, Eyre, Howry, Wuertz(Closer)

 

Soto, Theriot, Byrnes, Pagan, 2 FA's(need to cover 3B, one should be a good LH bat, Branyan? Hinske?)

 

I don't like that deal considering Hudson's big salary in 08 and 09 (13 million) and especially due to his down year. I think if we go after him we should try to do it with a lesser player than murton, which I think would be possibly because it seems that the braves need to cut some payroll. Also why would you put Byrnes of the .322 career obp in the two hole? With his decent power it seems like he would fit best hitting 6th or 7th.

 

If we give up less or get money in return for Hudson that'd be great.

 

Byrnes is there in a platoon, where his lifetime .300/.357/.527/.885 line against LHP goes well with Jones' .295/.343/.493/.837 line against RHP.

[CP_414]

I'll give it a shot...

 

I’m of the belief payroll will be in the vicinity of 105 Million. We have all seen the rumors that payroll is going to go up. The Cubs have added a variety of revenue streams recently. They saved a bunch of money with midseason trades this year. The new president has said Hendry will get all the financial resources to get it turned around. Hendry himself has said he was told money was no issue when choosing a manager. Here is my $105M Cubs…

 

___________________

 

Trade Sean Marshall, Mateo, Will Ohman to Blue Jays for Vernon Wells. The Blue Jays reportedly lost $25M this year. In any trade of Wells I suspect they will want all young pitchers in return. Pitchers who don’t make anything yet.

 

Trade Jacque Jones and $2M (over 2 years) to LA for JD Drew. Take Drew’s whole contract. Add a “B” prospect of needed.

 

Theriot (SS) – 400,000

Murton (LF) – 400,000

Lee (1B) – 13,000,000

Aramis (3B) – 13,500,000 (4@54M)

Vernon Wells – (CF) - 5,600,000

Barrett © – 4,500,000

JD Drew (RF) – 11,000,000 (3@ 33M remaining)

Mark Loretta (2B) – 4,000,000 (2@8M)

 

Total: $52,400,000

 

Bench:

Cedeno – 400,000

Soto – 400,000

Frank Catalanatto --- $3,500,000 (2 @ 7M)

Pagan – 400,000

Moore – 400,000

Fontenot – 400,000

 

Total: 5,500,000

 

Rotation:

Zambrano –11,000,000 (5@70M--- 11, 13, 15, 15, 16)

Schmidt or Mussina 11,000,000 (3@35 --- 11, 12, 12)

Vacinte Padilla – 7,000,000 (3@21)

Hill – 400,000

Prior – 4,000,000

 

Total: 32,400,000

 

Bullpen:

Wood (closer) – 2,000,000 base

Howry – 4,000,000

Eyre – 3,500,000

Wuertz – 400,000

Aardsma – 400,000

Guzman (long relief) – 400,000

 

Eat $2M to move Dempster for a decent prospect*

Eat $1M to move Izturis for anything

Eat #2M to move Jones ($1M in 2007)

Insurance covers Rusch

 

Total Bullpen and contracts eaten: 14,700,000 (in 2006) ($1M in 2007)

 

Total Team: $105,000,000

 

Lineup:

2B Loretta --- Northwestern buddy for new manager Girardi

RF Drew

1B D.Lee

3B Ramirez

CF Wells

LF Murton

C Barrett

SS Theriot

 

Rotation:

Zambrano, Schmidt/Moose, Padilla, Hill, Prior

Marmol, Gallagher, Veal, O’Malley could also have an impact as they year progresses.

[oldcubsfan]

ideally? well, it's possible that:

 

RF- Brady Clark

2b- Ryan Theriot

1b- Derrek Lee

CF- Jim Edmonds

C- Michael Barrett

3b- Scott Moore

LF- Matt Murton

SS- Cesar Izturis

 

Bench:

 

Restovich

Pagan

Graffanino

Branyan

Cedeno

Blanco

 

Rotation

 

1. Zambrano

2. Zito

3. Schmidt

4. Hill

5. Prior

 

Relief

 

Wood

Howry

Eyre

Wuertz

Novoa

Ohman

 

I think it's a championship team

 

The pitching looks great, but that has to be one of the worst lineups I have ever seen.

[WrigleyField 22]

My turn to play:

Usually I would be in favor of possibly going young, but those scenarios are no fun, and as long as its my moves and not Hendry's they will be better:

 

Sign Barry Zito 5/70 (12,13,15,15,15)- Schmidt for 3/36(or so) would do as well. If the Trib would be willing to not have Matsuzaka’s posting fee count towards the cap. Unrealistic/Impossible, otherwise he would be my first choice.

 

Trade Theriot/Fontenot, Izturis, Guzman/Marshall/Mateo, Scott Moore and Donald Veal for Alex Rodriguez. Yanks eat 20M(5,4,6,6) (15M) For the sake of the rest of my scenario, Yanks take Fontenot and Mateo.

-- I know guys might not like trading Veal, but I take the chance. I suppose you could try giving them more guys like Marshall/Marmol who are ready now. Its really a question of quality or quantity. Maybe they'd like some cheap production for next year.

 

Sign Mark Loretta for 2yr/6.5 M (3.5,3)

 

I think Branyan would be a great bench bat. If he is a FA we can sign him. If his option is picked up I would see what the Padres want for him. I’d be willing to trade Izturis or Dempster for him, but I’m not sure either interests them.

But it is MY 2007 so I guess I get to do whatever I want.

Dempster(5M), Cedeno, and 2M for Branyan(1M). If we can sign him outright I see if I can move Dempster for whatever prospect we can get. Possibly throw him in the Yanks deal.

 

Sign Lofton to 1yr/2M with mutual option for 2.5M or 1M buyout

I’ll assume the best and say we aren't stuck paying Rusch’s 3.25M. Whether through insurance or retiring.

 

C-Barrett 4.4M

1B-Lee 13M

2B-Loretta 3.5M

3B-Ramirez 13M (4yr/52)

SS-Rodriguez 15M

LF-Murton .4M

CF-Pie .3M

RF-Jones 4M

 

Zambrano 9M

Zito 12M

Hill .3M

Prior/Marshall 4.5M(whether Prior plays or not hes getting paid)

Miller 3M with incentives and option

------->Guzman/Marmol/Gallagher as men 7-9. Guys after that- Shaver, Wells.

 

 

Wuertz .5M

Howry 4M

Eyre 3.5M

Wood 2M base w/ incentives

Marshall .3M (Also Priors backup)- If he does go to rotation hello Novoa/Marmol

Aardsma .3M

--Wuertz/Howry close until Wood can. Ohman could still figure into rotation, but his price tag(1M?) might make it worth dealing him for a cheaper prospect player.

 

Branyan 3M (3B) I put three as it includes the 2M I give with Dempster

Lofton 2M (CF)

Soto .3M ©

Pagan .3M (OF)

Theriot .3M (IF)

Bynum .3M (UTIL) other possibility is Coats or any guy off the scrap heap.

 

99.2- room to breath. Even if we still pay for Rusch we are under 105M. I honestly thought it would be closer to 105 with this, we could have money to replace Bynum with a real player.

[soccer10k]

Why would the Cubs want to spend $4-5M to get Craig Wilson next year to sit on the bench when they could use that money on somebody that's actually going to play regularly (whether that means a position player or a starter)? That would mean paying him close to or more than Jacque Jones for a lot less production.

[soccer10k]

I don't see this as realistic at all. Every bench player is nearly a rookie except for Wilson. Wilson will be AL bound, IMO. I don't mind seeing a guy like Theriot make the team, but to have a bunch of Theriot's (guys who have next to no major league service time) on the roster and mostly sitting the pines is NOT a good idea. Cedeno would be better suited to play everyday in AAA rather than sit everyday. Same with Fontenot. Same with Pagan. Pick up a Dave Roberts or a Kenny Lofton. Guys who have plenty of major league service time and have seen thousands of major league breaking balls. No, I don't want Lenny Harris.

 

The pitching staff has no one new in it.

 

All offseason, the Cubs will only sign Alfonso Soriano and Craig Wilson? Boy, will I be pissed. Actually, if that's all the Cubs do this offseason, I'll be taking 2007 off as I'll need the break to keep my sanity.

You have to consider the payroll. Locking up Zambrano before the '07 season should be a priority - you don't want to run the risk of him having another great season and then bolting in free agency because the Cubs finish in last place again. Locking him up reduces your ability to sign other free agents.

 

I don't see Cedeno as anything more than a utility player, so I don't see the point in sending him down to AAA next year. Same with Fontenot (what else does he need to prove in AAA?). And same with Pagan. If these guys had a future as a starter, then yeah, I'd agree. But none of them do. I'd love to sign Kenny Lofton, but someone will give him a starting job. And he's not going to turn down an everyday job to be a bench player on a team that finished with the worst record in the league.

 

But with that said, this year's team wasn't as bad as it's record indicates. I don't think that a major overhaul is needed. And I certainly don't see the point in spending millions on every bench player when you have guys in the minors who will likely give you the same, if not better, production for the league minimum. I'd love to sign a FA starter, but the funds aren't there if you want to add an impact bat (which I feel is more important) and lock Zambrano up long-term.

You're both right ... uh ... and wrong. The 25 men in the initial post aren't going to win many games. And Steinbrenner himself doesn't have enough money to fix this team properly.

 

TIme to blow it up. Trade Z, Lee, Barrett, Howry, Dempster, Eyre and Jones for what you can get. Offer ramiraz arby and hope he turns it down.

 

Rotation:

 

Hill

Marshall

Pitcher recieved in trade

Pitcher received in trade

Prior/Miller

 

Line-up

 

Theriot

Cedeno

Pie

1b received in trade

Murton

3b received in trade

Rf received in trade

Soto

 

Bench and Pen

rooks and retreads

 

Weurtz for closer

 

Pack it in pack it up and pack it out

 

There is no reason that a major market team with a $100M payroll should have to completely rebuild their team.

[soapy]

I'm wondering if the Braves are going to be willing to unload both A. Jones and B. Giles. Putting together a large package of talent might get you both. Jones will be a FA after next year and I'm not sure about Giles (is he coming up on his final year of arb?). That would need to be considered when brokering a deal. If you could lose both to FA a year later, it becomes more difficult to give up good talent. You're probably adding about $17-$18 million in salary too if no significant contracts from the Cubs are involved.

 

If that were done, I think the offense may be strong enough IF the rotation is significantly upgraded.

 

Giles 2B

Murton LF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

A. Jones CF

Barrett C

J.Jones/Restovich RF

Izturis or Theriot SS

[Backtobanks]

ideally? well, it's possible that:

 

RF- Brady Clark

2b- Ryan Theriot

1b- Derrek Lee

CF- Jim Edmonds

C- Michael Barrett

3b- Scott Moore

LF- Matt Murton

SS- Cesar Izturis

 

Bench:

 

Restovich

Pagan

Graffanino

Branyan

Cedeno

Blanco

 

Rotation

 

1. Zambrano

2. Zito

3. Schmidt

4. Hill

5. Prior

 

Relief

 

Wood

Howry

Eyre

Wuertz

Novoa

Ohman

 

I think it's a championship team

 

It might win a championship if the five starters average 22 wins and .05 ERA because that lineup is pitiful.

[WrigleyField 22]

ideally? well, it's possible that:

 

RF- Brady Clark

2b- Ryan Theriot

1b- Derrek Lee

CF- Jim Edmonds

C- Michael Barrett

3b- Scott Moore

LF- Matt Murton

SS- Cesar Izturis

 

Bench:

 

Restovich

Pagan

Graffanino

Branyan

Cedeno

Blanco

 

Rotation

 

1. Zambrano

2. Zito

3. Schmidt

4. Hill

5. Prior

 

Relief

 

Wood

Howry

Eyre

Wuertz

Novoa

Ohman

 

I think it's a championship team

 

It might win a championship if the five starters average 22 wins and .05 ERA because that lineup is pitiful.

 

Well that would put you at 110 wins already not counting wins the bullpen picked up. So yea, that might be a champonship team if they did that.

 

I agreee with the sentiment though, that the lineup is too weak. Plus it is very oddly contsructed. Murton number 7 with Moore 6 and Theriot 2? And I'd like Brady Clark as a bench guy, but our starting RF and leading off? If I had to guess that teams payroll would probably be around 90-95 million, enough to maybe help out that weak lineup a little more.

[Magnetic Curses]

ideally? well, it's possible that:

 

RF- Brady Clark

2b- Ryan Theriot

1b- Derrek Lee

CF- Jim Edmonds

C- Michael Barrett

3b- Scott Moore

LF- Matt Murton

SS- Cesar Izturis

 

Bench:

 

Restovich

Pagan

Graffanino

Branyan

Cedeno

Blanco

 

Rotation

 

1. Zambrano

2. Zito

3. Schmidt

4. Hill

5. Prior

 

Relief

 

Wood

Howry

Eyre

Wuertz

Novoa

Ohman

 

I think it's a championship team

 

It might win a championship if the five starters average 22 wins and .05 ERA because that lineup is pitiful.

 

okay, let's look at OBP, shall we? OBP's in last full year of baseball.

 

Brady Clark-.348 (down year, it was over .380 at one point, .372 in 2005)

Theriot-.412 (limited duty, but his IsoD is good)

DLee-.418 (2005)

Edmonds-.350 (down year)

Barrett-.368

Moore- .360 (at west tenn)

Murton-.365

Izturis-.282

 

it's lineup capable of having 7 players over the .350 mark. regardless of what you may have heard or might have believed in the past, that's a lineup capable of quietly putting up a lot of runs.

 

pitiful? i doubt it. cost efficient and effective, yes.

[goonys evil twin]

okay, let's look at OBP, shall we?

 

Brady Clark-.348 (down year, it was over .380 at one point, .372 in 2005)

Theriot-.412 (limited duty, but his IsoD is good)

DLee-.418 (2005)

Edmonds-.350 (down year)

Barrett-.368

Moore- .360 (at west tenn)

Murton-.365

Izturis-.282

 

it's lineup capable of having 7 players over the .350 mark. regardless of what you may have heard or might have believed in the past, that's a lineup capable of quietly putting up a lot of runs.

 

pitiful? i doubt it. cost efficient and effective, yes.

 

That's some awful sneaky use of stats. What's the point of giving DLee's 2005? He'll never repeat that. Theriot's 2006 is meaningless. Barrett's career year? Beat up catchers decline quickly. Moore's AA OBP? His career OBP is .343. Edmonds didn't just have a fluke down year. He's in decline because he's an old cripple. You are filling a lot of full-time slots with part time players.

 

There's no way that lineup gets 7 players over .350 OBP. And there's significant downside risk to many of those players. Not to mention a severe lack of SLG.

[Magnetic Curses]

okay, let's look at OBP, shall we?

 

Brady Clark-.348 (down year, it was over .380 at one point, .372 in 2005)

Theriot-.412 (limited duty, but his IsoD is good)

DLee-.418 (2005)

Edmonds-.350 (down year)

Barrett-.368

Moore- .360 (at west tenn)

Murton-.365

Izturis-.282

 

it's lineup capable of having 7 players over the .350 mark. regardless of what you may have heard or might have believed in the past, that's a lineup capable of quietly putting up a lot of runs.

 

pitiful? i doubt it. cost efficient and effective, yes.

 

That's some awful sneaky use of stats. What's the point of giving DLee's 2005? He'll never repeat that. Theriot's 2006 is meaningless. Barrett's career year? Beat up catchers decline quickly. Moore's AA OBP? His career OBP is .343. Edmonds didn't just have a fluke down year. He's in decline because he's an old cripple. You are filling a lot of full-time slots with part time players.

 

There's no way that lineup gets 7 players over .350 OBP. And there's significant downside risk to many of those players. Not to mention a severe lack of SLG.

 

ugh, so moore isn't going to improve yet edmonds is going to decline? THAT'S stupid.

 

edmonds is an old cripple? before this season, when's the last time he played less than 142 games?

 

barrett took a ball off the nads, not exactly a symptom of being injury plagued. Dlee had a major collision and had not been injured at all before that, plus is in the prime of his career.

 

theriot and murton were both rookies and showed an ability to be productive-murton in a full time capacity and theriot in a situation in which he had to produce at any cost or risk demotion by his idiot manager.

 

Clark has not had a major injury as far as i know.

[goonys evil twin]

ugh, so moore isn't going to improve yet edmonds is going to decline? THAT'S stupid.

 

 

So you expect a guy with a mediocre career minor league OBP to improve upon that OBP in his rookie season? Yes, Edmonds is going to keep declining. Do you not understand the idea of aging ballplayers? Do you think all these injuries have been faked?

[Magnetic Curses]

ugh, so moore isn't going to improve yet edmonds is going to decline? THAT'S stupid.

 

 

So you expect a guy with a mediocre career minor league OBP to improve upon that OBP in his rookie season? Yes, Edmonds is going to keep declining. Do you not understand the idea of aging ballplayers? Do you think all these injuries have been faked?

 

do you understand that aging ballplayers are capable of good seasons? do you understand the concept of the 1 year deal?

 

goodness gracious, goony, i'm not talking about signing this guy long term. relax.