No more talk about Ryan Theriot

[RichHillIsABeast]

Scouts project Theriot as a backup utility type. Stats gurus think pretty much the same based on his minor league numbers.

 

It's pretty optimistic to think Theriot can be a viable starter at 2B.

 

I like Theriot a lot and he definitely deserves a spot on the '07 roster - as a bench player. He'll see lots of time with Izturis as the starting SS. :wink:

I'll take Theriot over Izturis any day of the week.

 

Izturis is a wizard with the glove. He can't hit a lick though.

 

Theriot is average defensively at 2B. I haven't seen him at SS, but I doubt he has the range to be ML average at that position.

 

I love that he can take a walk, but if he starts struggling at the plate, which is very likely IMO...Izturis is the better option.

 

Izturis hits like Neifi and fields like a god. Personally, I like watching him and pitchers love him.

 

Actually, Theriot is a plus defender at 2B, and came up as a SS, where he would still be at least adequate.

 

And it makes the izturis trade look worse and worse. Because here we have a guy, who could be an adequate SS in Theroit. Yet we are paying Izturis around $4-$5 m.

 

He's not a plus defender from what I've seen although he was rated very highly out of college defensively, IIRC (as a SS).

 

We're lucky to have unloaded Maddux. LA wasn't offering ML ready prospects. Hendry tried to go that route and they weren't buying. Izturis was what they were pushing on several clubs.

 

I'm pretty sure this board was pushing Ronny Cedeno over Furcal last offseason, so forgive me if I'm dubious about Theriot starting after a couple good ABs this season.

[Laura]

We're lucky to have unloaded Maddux. LA wasn't offering ML ready prospects. Hendry tried to go that route and they weren't buying. Izturis was what they were pushing on several clubs.

 

We would have been luckier if Hendry had Just Said No to the LA pusher.

 

I don't think LA fans are staying up nights cursing that deal.

 

I'm pretty sure this board was pushing Ronny Cedeno over Furcal last offseason, so forgive me if I'm dubious about Theriot starting after a couple good ABs this season.

 

Impressive since you registered here 2 months ago.

[Fred Hornkohl]

We're lucky to have unloaded Maddux. LA wasn't offering ML ready prospects. Hendry tried to go that route and they weren't buying. Izturis was what they were pushing on several clubs.

 

We would have been luckier if Hendry had Just Said No to the LA pusher.

 

I don't think LA fans are staying up nights cursing that deal.

 

I'm pretty sure this board was pushing Ronny Cedeno over Furcal last offseason, so forgive me if I'm dubious about Theriot starting after a couple good ABs this season.

 

Impressive since you registered here 2 months ago.

 

Serena..... you're so young to be so cynical !! :wink:

[RichHillIsABeast]

We're lucky to have unloaded Maddux. LA wasn't offering ML ready prospects. Hendry tried to go that route and they weren't buying. Izturis was what they were pushing on several clubs.

 

We would have been luckier if Hendry had Just Said No to the LA pusher.

 

I don't think LA fans are staying up nights cursing that deal.

 

I'm pretty sure this board was pushing Ronny Cedeno over Furcal last offseason, so forgive me if I'm dubious about Theriot starting after a couple good ABs this season.

 

Impressive since you registered here 2 months ago.

 

:wink: It's called lurking.

[A New Era]

Scouts project Theriot as a backup utility type. Stats gurus think pretty much the same based on his minor league numbers.

 

It's pretty optimistic to think Theriot can be a viable starter at 2B.

 

I like Theriot a lot and he definitely deserves a spot on the '07 roster - as a bench player. He'll see lots of time with Izturis as the starting SS. :wink:

I'll take Theriot over Izturis any day of the week.

 

Izturis is a wizard with the glove. He can't hit a lick though.

 

Theriot is average defensively at 2B. I haven't seen him at SS, but I doubt he has the range to be ML average at that position.

 

I love that he can take a walk, but if he starts struggling at the plate, which is very likely IMO...Izturis is the better option.

 

Izturis hits like Neifi and fields like a god. Personally, I like watching him and pitchers love him.

 

Actually, Theriot is a plus defender at 2B, and came up as a SS, where he would still be at least adequate.

 

And it makes the izturis trade look worse and worse. Because here we have a guy, who could be an adequate SS in Theroit. Yet we are paying Izturis around $4-$5 m.

 

He's not a plus defender from what I've seen although he was rated very highly out of college defensively, IIRC (as a SS).

 

We're lucky to have unloaded Maddux. LA wasn't offering ML ready prospects. Hendry tried to go that route and they weren't buying. Izturis was what they were pushing on several clubs.

 

I'm pretty sure this board was pushing Ronny Cedeno over Furcal last offseason, so forgive me if I'm dubious about Theriot starting after a couple good ABs this season.

 

Instead of getting $9 mil salary releif. We are getting around $4 million salary releif + a risk injury gold golf with at best, slight below average SS production. I'll take the $9 mil salary releif and the young guy, thank you.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm pretty sure this board was pushing Ronny Cedeno over Furcal last offseason, so forgive me if I'm dubious about Theriot starting after a couple good ABs this season.

 

Many were along with Hendry getting some impact bats which he didn't and getting Pierre instead of Furcal just helped add up to a disaster.

[wastra]

I think it all depends on who we can get this offseason. If you can get a Soriano, you probably have to bite the bullet and put Theriot on the bench. But it's not like there are 7 clearly better 2Bs available. Maybe a Kent or someone like that, but not many.

 

We have to upgrade the offense somewhere, and any 2 of the 3 outfield spots (if a trade can be made) and 2B are the likeliest spots. Fortunately/Unfortunately, the reality of our team is that we have to add some players, which means someone (or some people) are going to be out in the cold. Murton, Pierre, Jones, or Theriot are the only real possibilities (because there aren't many great SSs available and we're locked into a crappy contract with Izturis, making SS an unlikely place for a change, IMHO).

 

 

 

The one thing about Theriot I'll say is that if it comes down to keeping him as a starter or keeping Pierre, I'll got with Theriot. I think he has a good shot of having BETTER OBP numbers than Pierre did this year at worst- a Better shot than Pierre has of suddenly havign a .365 OBP which I don't think is out of the realm of possibility for Theriot, though I won't bank on it.

[larhur]

If Izturis is all that great why was L.A. trying to push his on several clubs, I'll take a hustling Theriot any day, and start him at second. he seems to have more baseball smarts that Cedeno

[CubColtPacer]

If Izturis is all that great why was L.A. trying to push his on several clubs, I'll take a hustling Theriot any day, and start him at second. he seems to have more baseball smarts that Cedeno

 

Well, while Izturis was out for a year the Dodgers signed their shortstop in Furcal. They would have stayed with Izturis before he got hurt, but now they really don't have a spot for him. Whatever value he has at short (and that is a completely separate issue) he has almost no value at second base, and that is why the Dodgers wanted to get rid of him.

[soapy]

Did Theriot play some outfield in the minors? Is he capable of playing CF? You see where I'm going with this...

[Mark_R]

You know who was even OLDER for his league w/ worse numbers than The Riot that this board creams for?

 

Ryan Freel.

[MPrior]

I'm all for what BK said: significantly upgrade the MIF somehow (sign Soriano, trade for Tejada or something like that), and give Theriot the other spot. He's better than anyone else we've got. However, an Izturis/Theriot MIF is terrible (a step up from Izturis/Cedeno, but still terrible), and would probably preclude us from the postseason, given that we don't have too many other opportunities to upgrade our offense, and our pitching is one huge question mark.

 

So, if Hendry and/or whatever manager he hires (not Piniella, PLEASE!) could be convinced to bench Izturis (no), then things might work out for Theriot. But I doubt it.

 

At the very least he deserves to be our main MIF off the bench.

[Soriano12]

I'm so glad Theirot was platooned with Byum the last couple months of the season.

 

Great decision.

[Brian]

I know Bynum saved us....

 

nevermind ;)

[CubColtPacer]

I'm so glad Theirot was platooned with Byum the last couple months of the season.

 

Great decision.

 

That's a little extreme. Neither one was playing much in August (Theriot-38 AB's, Bynum 28) and Theriot had 80 AB's in September next to Bynum's 34. That platoon ended up only happening for something like 3 to 3 1/2 weeks-Theriot was played over Bynum all of the last couple weeks of the season even though both of them were having monster Septembers (not saying I disagree with that at all-just pointing it out).

[Abe Frohman]

Since Theriot has 147 total ML at bats, doesn't he still qualify for the 2007 Rookie of the Year? Isn't the cut off 150 at bats?

[CuseCubFan69]

Since Theriot has 147 total ML at bats, doesn't he still qualify for the 2007 Rookie of the Year? Isn't the cut off 150 at bats?

 

If that's true I'm sure Baker will find a way to take credit for it.

[Rob]

Since Theriot has 147 total ML at bats, doesn't he still qualify for the 2007 Rookie of the Year? Isn't the cut off 150 at bats?

 

I'm pretty sure it's 130.

[treebird]

Since Theriot has 147 total ML at bats, doesn't he still qualify for the 2007 Rookie of the Year? Isn't the cut off 150 at bats?

 

I'm pretty sure it's 130.

 

that's correct

[abuck1220]

You know who was even OLDER for his league w/ worse numbers than The Riot that this board creams for?

 

Ryan Freel.

 

freel's had repeated big league success.

[A New Era]

You know who was even OLDER for his league w/ worse numbers than The Riot that this board creams for?

 

Ryan Freel.

 

freel's had repeated big league success.

 

You're right. :wink:

[dalgreen]

With all due respect, some of you should never criticize Hendry. The Cubs need to get the best player possible at all positions that are open. When you finish with a piss-poor record as the Cubs did, you don't go and pencil guys in for next year two days after the season-finale. That was the problem in 2006. Instead of going after the best players we just penciled in Murton, without getting top grade players in the outfield. We need to go after the best available players, period, and if after it's said and done it's Theriot than so be it.

[10man]

The Cubs need to get the best player possible that the given budget will allow at all positions that are open.

I corrected that for ya. We may have the Trib for owners but we are still NOT the Yankees. The problem with this team is that lately Hendry keeps acquiring the most mediocre players available at above market rates.

[Abe Frohman]

The Cubs need to get the best player possible that the given budget will allow at all positions that are open.

I corrected that for ya. We may have the Trib for owners but we are still NOT the Yankees. The problem with this team is that lately Hendry keeps acquiring the most mediocre players available at above market rates.

 

Even though last years free-agent market was pretty weak, that is a very good point. The last two years have been pretty bad on Hendry as far as acquisitions (well, maybe not that bad). The years before that, I'd say were good.

 

I still am happy with Hendry. For the most part. Will never understand the contracts given to Rusch and Perez.

[A New Era]

With all due respect, some of you should never criticize Hendry. The Cubs need to get the best player possible at all positions that are open. When you finish with a piss-poor record as the Cubs did, you don't go and pencil guys in for next year two days after the season-finale. That was the problem in 2006. Instead of going after the best players we just penciled in Murton, without getting top grade players in the outfield. We need to go after the best available players, period, and if after it's said and done it's Theriot than so be it.

 

I think you are not figuring in the fact that we know what types of moves Hendry will make so we type here how hendry can do the least damage. ;P

 

BTW I don't see how you can criticize Murton, he had just a great year for his first full season and at HIS price? Should be considered a staple in LF. Re replace guys like Pierre, Jones, and Izturis. Not guys like Murton. Some of you should think twice before you criticize us.