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I looked at his #'s. Not too bad. This year they are just decent, but I hear he has bigger #'s in the 2nd half. I know part of it is that he's young and these #'s are good for his age. .

 

What is the average age in AAA anyway? Could we compare him to other guys who have come up and became big players for their franchise? What age were they in their respective organizations. What type of #'s to you see Pie having in 2-3 years from now, if you just had to take a guess?

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his 2nd half numbers - avg/obp/slg/ops = .323/.373/.538/.912

 

I don't know what the average age (for real prospects) at AAA is, but Pie is definately young for AAA.

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I'd say his first few years won't be spectacular, along the linesof .275 .325 .400 which wold be okay for a young cheap player who provides good D. In 3 years he will be 24. At that time he might start to break out, or it could be the following year or two.

 

At his highest potential he is a .300 .370 .550, but if I had to guess I'd say he settles around .285 .345 .455 with great D.

 

I didn't really compare him to any other similar players, more just gut-feeling based on his minor league numbers.

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I think if he continues to challenge himself and adapt as a hitter he'll do well. If he is stubburn and doesn't make adjustments he'll have a very tough time at the MLB level.
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Coming into this year Pie's #1 PECOTA comparable was Corey Patterson through 2000. Pie's season was very similar to Patterson's 2001 at Iowa, though Pie is six months younger than Patterson.

 

Patterson was effective early in '02 until a second half collapse really killed his numbers. Fatigue? Maybe. His 2003-2006 numbers have been pretty consistent except for that horrible final two thirds of the '05 season; @.270/.310/.450.

 

Pie's Major League Equivalent this year was about .250/.300/.400. As a 21 year-old, that's pretty good. Obviously if his 2nd half improvement sticks, we have a pretty good player on our hands. We'll get over it.

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Coming into this year Pie's #1 PECOTA comparable was Corey Patterson through 2000. Pie's season was very similar to Patterson's 2001 at Iowa, though Pie is six months younger than Patterson.

 

Patterson was effective early in '02 until a second half collapse really killed his numbers. Fatigue? Maybe. His 2003-2006 numbers have been pretty consistent except for that horrible final two thirds of the '05 season; @.270/.310/.450.

 

Pie's Major League Equivalent this year was about .250/.300/.400. As a 21 year-old, that's pretty good. Obviously if his 2nd half improvement sticks, we have a pretty good player on our hands. We'll get over it.

 

Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Patterson a first half hitter? It just seems to me he struggles in the second half.

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Coming into this year Pie's #1 PECOTA comparable was Corey Patterson through 2000. Pie's season was very similar to Patterson's 2001 at Iowa, though Pie is six months younger than Patterson.

 

Patterson was effective early in '02 until a second half collapse really killed his numbers. Fatigue? Maybe. His 2003-2006 numbers have been pretty consistent except for that horrible final two thirds of the '05 season; @.270/.310/.450.

 

Pie's Major League Equivalent this year was about .250/.300/.400. As a 21 year-old, that's pretty good. Obviously if his 2nd half improvement sticks, we have a pretty good player on our hands. We'll get over it.

 

Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Patterson a first half hitter? It just seems to me he struggles in the second half.

 

I'm not sure what your point is? Patterson's numbers are what they are for a full season, however he got there. My hope in Pie's second half this year is that as a 21 year-old he is still improving. Even so, I think we would all settle for Pie's 2008 & 2009 to be as good as Patterson's 2003 & 2004. Assuming he's still with the Cubs of course.

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Coming into this year Pie's #1 PECOTA comparable was Corey Patterson through 2000. Pie's season was very similar to Patterson's 2001 at Iowa, though Pie is six months younger than Patterson.

 

Patterson was effective early in '02 until a second half collapse really killed his numbers. Fatigue? Maybe. His 2003-2006 numbers have been pretty consistent except for that horrible final two thirds of the '05 season; @.270/.310/.450.

 

Pie's Major League Equivalent this year was about .250/.300/.400. As a 21 year-old, that's pretty good. Obviously if his 2nd half improvement sticks, we have a pretty good player on our hands. We'll get over it.

 

Maybe I'm wrong but wasn't Patterson a first half hitter? It just seems to me he struggles in the second half.

 

I'm not sure what your point is? Patterson's numbers are what they are for a full season, however he got there. My hope in Pie's second half this year is that as a 21 year-old he is still improving. Even so, I think we would all settle for Pie's 2008 & 2009 to be as good as Patterson's 2003 & 2004. Assuming he's still with the Cubs of course.

 

My point is that Patterson hits well during the first half of the season andthen tails off while Pie seemed to be getting hotter as the season progressed. I would look at a few things....CPatt gets tired or pitchers figure him out. Pie, figures the pitchers out or gets stronger as season progresses. I like the fact that Pie is adapting and hitting better as the season progresses and I hope he continues to do so.

 

Has anyone heard on how well his defensive play is going?

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We all hope that Pie is better than Patterson, and whatever evidence you have to bolster that point is welcome.

 

I couldn't say if he's going to be better but I certainly would like to see him have a better career! Oh yeah, and to have that career be with the Cubs.

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On Average AGe in AAA: I have numbers back from opening-day 2001. At that time, the average age in AAA was 27.0, with a standard deviation of 3.2 years.

 

Not sure why things should be very much different now. That was pre-age-gate. So if anything, I'd guess there might have been some Latin guys who were listing at 21 who were really 24, so if anything the average might be higher now and with fewer really young deviants?

 

Obviously the average age of actual prospects is well below 27!

 

At 21, Pie really is exceptionally young for AAA.

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his 2nd half numbers - avg/obp/slg/ops = .323/.373/.538/.912

 

I don't know what the average age (for real prospects) at AAA is, but Pie is definately young for AAA.

 

Excellent info!... I wasn't' too impressed with Pie's numbers; until, you broke them down.

 

I haven't followed the Cubs minor leaguers the last two years, but one of the guys I remember is Pie. As long as he keeps his OBP up, I think the sky is the limit for this kid.

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As long as they put Pie in the five or six hole, everything will be good. He is NOT a lead-off hitter. Hopefully the Cubs realize this before he Felix gets to the show.
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As long as they put Pie in the five or six hole, everything will be good. He is NOT a lead-off hitter. Hopefully the Cubs realize this before he Felix gets to the show.

 

I don't think they realize that yet. :(

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As long as they put Pie in the five or six hole, everything will be good. He is NOT a lead-off hitter. Hopefully the Cubs realize this before he Felix gets to the show.

 

I don't think they realize that yet. :(

Hopefully the new manager will.
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I was going to defend the article by pointing out the Baseball America is very careful to separate best player from best prospect; however, after reading that Patterson may need to learn another position because he is blocked by Cedeno I am speechless.

 

While Pie is extremely young for AAA, it should be pointed out that many of the best prospects skip AAA entirely.

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