Most thickheaded organazation in baseball?

[Jazz]

Seriously, I am so frustrated with this team it makes it difficult to even watch baseball at all because of how PO'ed i am. It seems like it's blatantly obvious to everyone outside the front office that changes need to be made, and the philosphy needs shifting, but even after 98 years of futility, we STILL make excuses. Honestly this might be the worst run team I've ever seen in sports history, its definately up there with the 90's clippers.

Blow this team up, please.

[SouthSideRyan]

Seriously, I am so frustrated with this team it makes it difficult to even watch baseball at all because of how PO'ed i am. It seems like it's blatantly obvious to everyone outside the front office that changes need to be made, and the philosphy needs shifting, but even after 98 years of futility, we STILL make excuses. Honestly this might be the worst run team I've ever seen in sports history, its definately up there with the 90's clippers.

Blow this team up, please.

 

The Orioles are pretty lame too. But yeah, we've gotta be top 3 at best.

[NCCubFan]

Blow this team up, please.

It's not going to do any good to blow the team up unless they first blow the front office up.

[JeffH]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

[SouthSideRyan]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Currently? No.

 

In history? No.

[Jazz]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Currently? No.

 

In history? No.

 

I don't know about currently but historicly, they're Years Existed/Championships Won Ratio makes a case.

[SouthSideRyan]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Currently? No.

 

In history? No.

 

I don't know about currently but historicly, they're Years Existed/Championships Won Ratio makes a case.

 

It's not even the worst ratio in the National League alone.

[littleburr24]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

[Soriano12]

This whole organization is a disgrace.

 

From Andy "I sit in my office all day and do nothing" McFailure

 

to Jim "The fattest, most useless GM in sports" Hendry

 

to the worst manager in pro-baseball...it simply sickens me.

[CubColtPacer]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Currently? No.

 

In history? No.

 

I don't know about currently but historicly, they're Years Existed/Championships Won Ratio makes a case.

 

It's not even the worst ratio in the National League alone.

 

Exactly. If we date the start of championship baseball as the start of the WS (1903-also 1904 was skipped) then the Cubs have 2 WS titles and 8 other appearances in the WS in those 102? WS chances.

Compare that to some other NL teams

Reds-5 championships, 4 appearances-better than Cubs

Braves-3 championships, 6 appearances-I'll give it to the Braves-1 more title is worth more than 2 appearances

Phillies-1 title, 4 appearances-here we go. The Phillies have been around since the start of the WS also-and they have had less success than the Cubs have.

 

Teams that could be on their way to less success than the Cubs:

Astros-0 titles, 1 appearance in 44 years-they would have to win a title in the next few years to have a better ratio than the Cubs.

Padres-0 titles, 2 appearances in 37 years-they have a bit of time-but they are on their way

Expos/Nationals-0 titles, 0 appearances in 37 years-this franchise is well on their way to be worse-in my understanding, this franchise has only been in the playoffs one time in its existence.

 

As far as ratio of championships won, the Cubs are ahead of teams like the Phillies, and might be ahead of teams like the Astros, Padres, and Expos. When you throw in WS appearances, it shuts the door completely-the Cubs have historically been more successful than these franchises still.

[NewUserName]

Since the advent of teams creating there own minor league system(30s and 40s), I would say that the Cubs are the worst team in MLB.

 

What I find frightening is not that there might be teams that have worse championship ratios or anything. Just that arguements can be made that Cubs are the worse team ever. I dont care if the Expos have won less championships. I care that we havent and seem to have no clue as to what championship level teams do.

[d_money]

Three main reasons why the Cubs suck? Wrigley Field. Ownership. Loyal Fans.

 

Blow it up. Idiots continue to keep going to games. I'm sick of seeing "bricks for sale" ads on tv. Are you kidding me? Does this sound like a team focused on winning or an organization focused on the bottom line?

 

I want a team that is focused on winning everytime they cross the white lines. There's too much marketing of the organization, beginning with WF and ending with 7th inning stretch guest conductors (and there's alot in between).

 

Give me the Twins with young hungry players who know how to play baseball coming from a stong minor league system (Andy - remember this?). The Twins have crappy ballpark and at the time of his signing, a relatively unknown manager who commands respect.

 

Show me a capacity crowd at WF and I'll show a bunch of idiots (season ticket holders included).

[neely crenshaw]

you can make stats say anything you want but for me it is tough to compare the cubs success one hundred years ago with the last 37 years of the padres and astros....

98 years of no championships is much,much worse than 37 years.

i am 39 years old and the cubs have not been in the world series in my life...the padres and astros have.

the expos have been one of the worst run..monetarily but if they had the cubs resources, their baseball guys may have had more success. just look at the names they have developed and not been able or willing to keep.

one other point...in my life the cubs have had 2 true oppurtunities at going to the world series 1984 vs san diego and 2003. the expos have had 1 in 1994? the strike year. i would have to say they have more upside right now.

[JeffH]

This whole organization is a disgrace.

 

Truer words were never spoken (posted).

[SouthSideRyan]

Three main reasons why the Cubs suck? Wrigley Field. Ownership. Loyal Fans.

 

Blow it up. Idiots continue to keep going to games. I'm sick of seeing "bricks for sale" ads on tv. Are you kidding me? Does this sound like a team focused on winning or an organization focused on the bottom line?

 

I want a team that is focused on winning everytime they cross the white lines. There's too much marketing of the organization, beginning with WF and ending with 7th inning stretch guest conductors (and there's alot in between).

 

Give me the Twins with young hungry players who know how to play baseball coming from a stong minor league system (Andy - remember this?). The Twins have crappy ballpark and at the time of his signing, a relatively unknown manager who commands respect.

 

Show me a capacity crowd at WF and I'll show a bunch of idiots (season ticket holders included).

 

I'm an idiot.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

 

David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case.

 

James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action.

 

Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run.

 

And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs.

[Soul]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

 

David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case.

 

James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action.

 

Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run.

 

And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs.

 

I think the Blackhawks are still worse.

 

In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry.

 

I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

 

David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case.

 

James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action.

 

Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run.

 

And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs.

 

I think the Blackhawks are still worse.

 

In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry.

 

I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry.

 

Glass is the owner. It's his fault there's nothing to work with.

[Soul]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

 

David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case.

 

James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action.

 

Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run.

 

And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs.

 

I think the Blackhawks are still worse.

 

In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry.

 

I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry.

 

Glass is the owner. It's his fault there's nothing to work with.

 

Sorry my bad :oops:

[dalgreen]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

 

David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case.

 

James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action.

 

Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run.

 

And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs.

 

I think the Blackhawks are still worse.

 

In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry.

 

I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry.

 

I think we owe the Astros more for '03 than the Pirates. The Pirates did what the script called for, the Astros losing those games to the Brewers was the miracle.

[dalgreen]

Quite simply, the Chicago National League Ball Club is the worst franchise in professional sports.

 

There can be no rational argument to the contrary.

 

Bill Wirts, the Blackhawks owner, thinks he can do worse.

 

David Glass of the Royals thinks he has a strong case.

 

James Dolan of the Knicks wants a piece of this action.

 

Donald Sterling of the Clippers puts his team into the fold of worst run.

 

And will, I do I agree the Cubs are a pretty bad organization is sports, I can still think of a few teams that are worse in their history then the Cubs.

 

I think the Blackhawks are still worse.

 

In the baseball world though. Glass has much, much, MUCH less to work with than Hendry.

 

I'll throw Jimbo's hat in the ring for most incompetent GM in MLB. And as for '03, it has become abundantly clear we owe thanks to the Pirates for that little miracle, not Jim Hendry.

 

Glass is the owner. It's his fault there's nothing to work with.

 

At least Glass seems to be doing something about it. Since the GM was fired, the Royals have played much better baseball than before his firing. And I think he made a good hire with the new GM.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

At least Glass seems to be doing something about it. Since the GM was fired, the Royals have played much better baseball than before his firing. And I think he made a good hire with the new GM.

 

Agreed on all fronts. I was going more for clarification than stating an opinion.

[macuser2]

Seriously, I am so frustrated with this team it makes it difficult to even watch baseball at all because of how PO'ed i am. It seems like it's blatantly obvious to everyone outside the front office that changes need to be made, and the philosphy needs shifting, but even after 98 years of futility, we STILL make excuses. Honestly this might be the worst run team I've ever seen in sports history, its definately up there with the 90's clippers.

Blow this team up, please.

 

Blow the team up? Perhaps one of these would help. :P

[NewUserName]

I heard this tonite on the Pat and Ron show it was actually pretty funny. I cant remember everything but this is the jest of the conversation.

 

Ron: I got a fax here from Who cares from who knows, it says "the Cubs have got to lead the league in most runners left on base this season" I dont have the stats in front of me Who Cares but I would say they have done a terrible job of driving home runners.

 

Pat: Well Ron I do have the stats and the Cubs do lead the league in runners left on base! (This is when I about drove off the road because I figured he was reading it backwords)

 

Ron: (Grunts some sort of agreement)

 

Pat: I have it backwords the Cubs have left the fewest runners on base.

 

Ron: Really!!! Who has the most?

 

Pat: The Phillies who also lead the league in Runs Scored. (Pat goes on to say that there is some sort of correlation between getting runners on and scoring runs, though he never comes out and says that the Cubs management has been feeding us a bunch of bull about the clutch hitting)

 

Ron: Runs scored that is the stat the really matters!! (kind of downplaying what must have been a complete shock to find out that a team can lead the league in Runs Scored and LOB and not seeming to find the correlation between the 2)

 

Pat: The Cubs are last in the league in Walks. They just dont have a patient approach

 

Ron: That has been the case for several years. (Again Ron seems to be half getting the point. I really think though that the reason he knows the Cubs dont draw a lot of walks is because they are not raising enough money in his Walks for a Cure thing)

 

I hear this kind of stuff a lot from the announcers but why doesnt anyone ask these questions to Dusty and Jim. I am sorry if it sounds like I am picking on you Bruce as I know you do a fine job of pointing out the Cubs short-comings. I just wish I could hear an interview with Jim Hendry where a reporter or talk show host points out that the Cubs have had the fewest LOB this year and are last in the league in Runs Scored while the Phillies have had the most LOB and are leading the league in Runs Scored. When he tries to weazel out of it ask the same question again. Then when they point out injuries and young players point out that besides Cedeno the younger players seem to take more Walks and get on base more

[CubColtPacer]

I heard this tonite on the Pat and Ron show it was actually pretty funny. I cant remember everything but this is the jest of the conversation.

 

Ron: I got a fax here from Who cares from who knows, it says "the Cubs have got to lead the league in most runners left on base this season" I dont have the stats in front of me Who Cares but I would say they have done a terrible job of driving home runners.

 

Pat: Well Ron I do have the stats and the Cubs do lead the league in runners left on base! (This is when I about drove off the road because I figured he was reading it backwords)

 

Ron: (Grunts some sort of agreement)

 

Pat: I have it backwords the Cubs have left the fewest runners on base.

 

Ron: Really!!! Who has the most?

 

Pat: The Phillies who also lead the league in Runs Scored. (Pat goes on to say that there is some sort of correlation between getting runners on and scoring runs, though he never comes out and says that the Cubs management has been feeding us a bunch of bull about the clutch hitting)

 

Ron: Runs scored that is the stat the really matters!! (kind of downplaying what must have been a complete shock to find out that a team can lead the league in Runs Scored and LOB and not seeming to find the correlation between the 2)

 

Pat: The Cubs are last in the league in Walks. They just dont have a patient approach

 

Ron: That has been the case for several years. (Again Ron seems to be half getting the point. I really think though that the reason he knows the Cubs dont draw a lot of walks is because they are not raising enough money in his Walks for a Cure thing)

 

I hear this kind of stuff a lot from the announcers but why doesnt anyone ask these questions to Dusty and Jim. I am sorry if it sounds like I am picking on you Bruce as I know you do a fine job of pointing out the Cubs short-comings. I just wish I could hear an interview with Jim Hendry where a reporter or talk show host points out that the Cubs have had the fewest LOB this year and are last in the league in Runs Scored while the Phillies have had the most LOB and are leading the league in Runs Scored. When he tries to weazel out of it ask the same question again. Then when they point out injuries and young players point out that besides Cedeno the younger players seem to take more Walks and get on base more

 

The one thing I'm not sure about that exchange is how the Phillies can lead the league in runners left on base. They have a .344 OBP and 736 runs scored on the season, while the Dodgers have a .350 OBP and 693 runs scored. Which of those teams is it far more likely that they've left more runners on base? So I would be surprised if that stat is correct-but the Cubs are probably the team with the fewest runners left on.