Jose Cruz DFA'ed by Dodgers

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

As I read that, I wondered if he wouldn't have been a better acquisition than Izturis.

[Rob]

I would have loved Jose Cruz over Cesar Izturis... and quite obviously, I think we could have had him, plus maybe a mid-grade prospect.

[baseball7897]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

[Jon]

Cruz has a low batting average and high IsoP. He's not a Hendry guy.

[treebird]

vs lhp, 2006

 

67 at bats

313/420/522

 

vs lhp, 2003-2005

 

374 at bats

291/392/497

 

 

someone's going to get a nice little player.

[snoodmonger]

someone's going to get a nice little player.

\\and it won 't be the Cubs. Too bad. He'd make a nice platoon partner w/ Jacque. Then again, so would Murton.

 

Oh well. We've always got Bynum.

[abuck1220]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

 

you couldn't be more incorrect.

[Jon]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

 

you couldn't be more incorrect.

The real question is do the Cubs currently have any outfielder that's actually better than Jose Cruz Jr.

[snoodmonger]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

 

you couldn't be more incorrect.

The real question is do the Cubs currently have any outfielder that's actually better than Jose Cruz Jr.

 

What were Pagan's numbers like in thne minors?

[Jon]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

 

you couldn't be more incorrect.

The real question is do the Cubs currently have any outfielder that's actually better than Jose Cruz Jr.

 

What were Pagan's numbers like in thne minors?

The first words that come to mind are "quite bad."

 

.282/.344/.373. And he struck out over twice as many times as he walked.

[Jon]

Matt Murton 2006 (I'll leave out his 2005 stats because he faced more lefties than righties): .282/.350/.375

 

Jacque Jones 2004: .254/.315/.427

Jacque Jones 2005: .249/.319/.438

Jacque Jones 2006: .285/.315/.489

 

Jose Cruz Jr. 2004: .242/.333/.433

Jose Cruz Jr. 2005 (370 ABs): .251/.364/.473

Jose Cruz Jr. 2006: .233/.353/.381

 

 

I'd expect Cruz's BA to rise a bit and Jones' SLG to drop the rest of the way. A case could be made for Cruz.

[hawkeyecub]

Matt Murton 2006 (I'll leave out his 2005 stats because he faced more lefties than righties): .282/.350/.375

 

Jacque Jones 2004: .254/.315/.427

Jacque Jones 2005: .249/.319/.438

Jacque Jones 2006: .285/.315/.489

 

Not to change the topic, but isn't it incredible that his average increased this year 31 and 36 points from his previous two seasons, yet his OBP remained the same as '04 and dropped from last year?

[Jon]

Matt Murton 2006 (I'll leave out his 2005 stats because he faced more lefties than righties): .282/.350/.375

 

Jacque Jones 2004: .254/.315/.427

Jacque Jones 2005: .249/.319/.438

Jacque Jones 2006: .285/.315/.489

 

Not to change the topic, but isn't it incredible that his average increased this year 31 and 36 points from his previous two seasons, yet his OBP remained the same as '04 and dropped from last year?

It actually got up to .340 on July 3rd, but when you put up a .237/.260/.419 line in the month of July, that OBP is going to take a hit. But his walk rate is down this season. He's on pace for 21 walks this season compared to 40 and 51 in 2004 and 2005 respectively (weighted to the 523 ABs he had in 2005).

[abuck1220]

Matt Murton 2006 (I'll leave out his 2005 stats because he faced more lefties than righties): .282/.350/.375

 

Jacque Jones 2004: .254/.315/.427

Jacque Jones 2005: .249/.319/.438

Jacque Jones 2006: .285/.315/.489

 

Not to change the topic, but isn't it incredible that his average increased this year 31 and 36 points from his previous two seasons, yet his OBP remained the same as '04 and dropped from last year?

 

14 walks on the season, which is obviously pathetic.

[wade]

Matt Murton 2006 (I'll leave out his 2005 stats because he faced more lefties than righties): .282/.350/.375

 

Jacque Jones 2004: .254/.315/.427

Jacque Jones 2005: .249/.319/.438

Jacque Jones 2006: .285/.315/.489

 

Not to change the topic, but isn't it incredible that his average increased this year 31 and 36 points from his previous two seasons, yet his OBP remained the same as '04 and dropped from last year?

 

14 walks on the season, which is obviously pathetic.

 

I think there was speculation that the only reason his walks were up in '04 and '05 was an increase in intentional walks issued to him given the Twins lack of hitting around him.

[wade]

In regards to my last post, in 2004 Jones was HBP 10 times, whereas his previous high was 5. In 2005 he had 12 IBB, whereas his previous high was 4.

 

Although 5-8 extra times on base due to anything but a hit or error shouldn't inflate your OBP too much, in Jones' case it does. His OBP historically is so close to his BA that those slight increases those two years gave him a much larger difference in BA to OBP than he had ever had before.

 

A difference we're not seeing this year because he's not been IBB'd or hit much.

[Derwood]

I imagine a team like Anaheim will take a flyer on him

[rawaction]

Absolutely perfect 4th OF. Can play all 3 OF positions at a gold glove level. Kills LHP, good to great throwing arm. Will get on base. Has a good power . Has above average speed.

 

I would love if the Cubs had Jose Cruz Jr. on the 2007 team, and he actually was the 4th best OF.

[jjgman21]

vs lhp, 2006

 

67 at bats

313/420/522

 

vs lhp, 2003-2005

 

374 at bats

291/392/497

 

 

someone's going to get a nice little player.

 

for those who didn't notice, I've been standing on my head the past three weeks saying this is the guy the Cubs should target in the Maddux trade. the perfect platoon player for Jones, can play all outfield positions, etc. etc. etc. he's the perfect player to have around if the Cubs are going to keep Jones.

 

edit - depending on the condition of Lowell's foot, how about Cruz to Cubs, Nevin to RedSox, RedSox whatever to Dodgers.

[baseball7897]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

 

you couldn't be more incorrect.

 

I used the word "similar". Which means, they have have SOME things in common. Speed, defense, and possibly the same kind of average. They both will strikeout alot also.

[jjgman21]

Cubs already have a player similar to Cruz Jr, Angel Pagan.

 

you couldn't be more incorrect.

 

I used the word "similar". Which means, they have have SOME things in common. Speed, defense, and possibly the same kind of average. They both will strikeout alot also.

 

one has a history of getting on base at a decent clip and hitting for decent power. the other has a history of not getting on base at a decent clip and not hitting for decent power. the former has done so in the majors, the other has done so in the minors.

 

sure there are similarities, but your post in this context really conotates that pagan would be just as good a fourth outfielder as Cruz. I'm beginning to like Pagan actually, but as a fifth, not a fourth, outfielder.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cruz received his release from the Dodgers today. They are now on the hook for the rest of his salary. Cruz would be a better reserve outfielder than Pagan right now. He'd be worth a look as he could be a decent bench option for next season.

[CubColtPacer]

Cruz received his release from the Dodgers today. They are now on the hook for the rest of his salary. Cruz would be a better reserve outfielder than Pagan right now. He'd be worth a look as he could be a decent bench option for next season.

 

Why would we want to get rid of Pagan right now for a 32 year old who Pagan has outproduced this year in limited at bats? I'm not saying Pagan is going to be anything special-we should give him some more at bats to find out what he is though. Why give up on him to get a player who is almost 100 points worse in OPS this season and 7 years older in a lost season?

[jjgman21]

Cruz received his release from the Dodgers today. They are now on the hook for the rest of his salary. Cruz would be a better reserve outfielder than Pagan right now. He'd be worth a look as he could be a decent bench option for next season.

 

I'd imagine he'd join a contender. RedSox?

 

edit or Anaheim as suggested above.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Cruz received his release from the Dodgers today. They are now on the hook for the rest of his salary. Cruz would be a better reserve outfielder than Pagan right now. He'd be worth a look as he could be a decent bench option for next season.

 

I'd imagine he'd join a contender. RedSox?

 

edit or Anaheim as suggested above.

 

You're probably right. I wouldn't rule him out joining Houston.