Why fear the "nothing"?!

[Sammy Sofa]

Gooney, take a step back and bearth a minute.

 

Hey, he's just big-boned! Ease off!

[Outshined_One]

Into a strange new world, into the after

All your tears might find you've fallen too far

Take another look, take another ride

Can't we make them leave the hate behind

 

And I still believe in nothing

Will we ever see the shape of tomorrow?

 

Into the empty storm, into the formless loss of hope,

Where we can forget the game

 

And I still believe in nothing

Will we ever see the cure for our sorrow

 

Nothing is sacred when no one is saved

Nothing's forever so count your days

Nothing is final and no one is real

Pray for tomorrow and find you're empty still

 

Nothing

 

Bonus points to all of you who recognize this song without having to look it up. 8) \m/

[J.R.]

Gooney, take a step back and bearth a minute. Yes a trade before the deadline would be a great thing. Hip hip hurry, but don't count on it and don't get bent over the fact if Hendry does nothing. I'm not hoping he does nothing. I'm just not going to cry in my beer because he did nothing. Good deal's have been worked out past the deadline. Which appearently you don't agree with. Fine.

 

 

Scott, again, are you trying to make my wife a widow? Do you want my head to explode?

 

There is ADDED MOTIVATION right now for other teams to make a run at it, and thus, they are more willing to give up a little more in terms of prospects in exchange for help NOW.

 

The Cubs NEED to take advantage of this and use the opportunity to leverage the trades.

 

Scott, it honestly just seems like you are defending whatever Cubs organization does regardless of logic. Then you top that off with steaming promises of .500-style turnarounds one after the other. The scary part for me is, I think you are not trolling, you are being genuine. Somebody call the looney-bin!

 

Cosigned.

[abuck1220]

 

The jist of the thread Gooney is this. Posters thoughout Blogland think Hendry is going to build a World Series Champion by trading Nevin, and Niefi among others, which is completely unrealistic.

 

first of all, that's not true. second of all, it's fairly amusing to have johnny .500 talk about people being "completely unrealistic."

[ConstableRabbit]

It's "gist" -- you're both wrong.

[Sosa21MVP]

Althought I don't condemn Scott's optimism, I do agree that the best time to make some hay on trades is at the 7/31 deadline. The Cubs do have some guys whom contenders may covet and I think consumating deals at the deadline will yield better results for the Cubs organization.

[Shilzzz]

anyone who thinks that jim hendry will build a world champion team is a fool, regardless of trade deadlines.

[cubfan1955]

Gooney, take a step back and bearth a minute. Yes a trade before the deadline would be a great thing. Hip hip hurry, but don't count on it and don't get bent over the fact if Hendry does nothing. I'm not hoping he does nothing. I'm just not going to cry in my beer because he did nothing. Good deal's have been worked out past the deadline. Which appearently you don't agree with. Fine.

Good trades involving good players don't happen after the July 31st deadline because those good players have to clear waivers and other teams most likely aren't going to clear waivers.

 

As an example, suppose the Cubs work out a deal to send Maddux to the Red Sox after the deadline. No way are the Yankees going to let Maddux slide by and go to the Red Sox. Even if they don't want Maddux they'll put in a claim just out of spite for the Red Sox. Deals that happen after the deadline are usually fringe deals at best.

[Sosa21MVP]

anyone who thinks that jim hendry will build a world champion team is a fool, regardless of trade deadlines.

 

The Cubs did come within a game of the World Series in 2003 and Hendry's decision to trade for Kenny Lofton & Aramis Ramirez helped the team with the stretch drive. The guy gets bashed quite a bit anymore so it's only fair to point out the whole story.

 

But in any case, to me the goal of deadline deals isn't to transform the Cubs into title contenders for 2007. The goal would be to expand the base of younger talent and add pieces which could contribute to a title team down the road, perhaps 2008.

[BigbadB]

anyone who thinks that jim hendry will build a world champion team is a fool, regardless of trade deadlines.

 

The Cubs did come within a game of the World Series in 2003 and Hendry's decision to trade for Kenny Lofton & Aramis Ramirez helped the team with the stretch drive. The guy gets bashed quite a bit anymore so it's only fair to point out the whole story.

 

But in any case, to me the goal of deadline deals isn't to transform the Cubs into title contenders for 2007. The goal would be to expand the base of younger talent and add pieces which could contribute to a title team down the road, perhaps 2008.

 

Hendry got Lofton and Ramirez for a PTBNL, Matt Bruback (who?), Jose Hernandez AND cash. Who in their right mind wouldn't make that deal? Bobby Hill ended up being the PTBNL out of a group of choices Pitt had between Hill, Francis Beltran and Steve Smyth. Yeesh.

 

Talk about a no brainer. Littlefield was giving players away that year.

 

Randall Simon for Ray Sadler? (this was an after the deadline trade by the way).

 

I give Hendry credit for pulling off the deal, but no more than that.

 

The 2003 Cubs went to the playoffs because of Wood, Prior, Zambrano and Clement. The offense was marginal at best.

 

I just felt like adding that because you also left out part of the story.

[Scott G. F.]

Gooney, take a step back and bearth a minute. Yes a trade before the deadline would be a great thing. Hip hip hurry, but don't count on it and don't get bent over the fact if Hendry does nothing. I'm not hoping he does nothing. I'm just not going to cry in my beer because he did nothing. Good deal's have been worked out past the deadline. Which appearently you don't agree with. Fine.

 

 

Scott, again, are you trying to make my wife a widow? Do you want my head to explode?

 

There is ADDED MOTIVATION right now for other teams to make a run at it, and thus, they are more willing to give up a little more in terms of prospects in exchange for help NOW.

 

The Cubs NEED to take advantage of this and use the opportunity to leverage the trades.

 

Scott, it honestly just seems like you are defending whatever Cubs organization does regardless of logic. Then you top that off with steaming promises of .500-style turnarounds one after the other. The scary part for me is, I think you are not trolling, you are being genuine. Somebody call the looney-bin!

 

 

 

I completely agree with the ADDED MOTIVATION the Cubs should have to deal. I agree the Cubs should use the leverage they have now. Many teams really feel that this might be their year and will give a little of their future up to win one this year (I would for the Cubs).

 

Only marginal deals can be made after the deadline. Well take a long look at the Cubs roster. Marginal is all that we have. I'd put Nevin on wavers for a couple of prospects any day of the week. I'd start cashing them in IF Hendry doesn't get the offers that benefit the Cubs before the deadline.

 

The panic thoughts of "Trade everyone" is foolish and GM's that do that usually end up working for ESPN. Hendry has some playing chips this year and it'll be interesting to see what he does with them. He's a seller, no doubt for the first time since the Dusty era. I believe Hendry can turn in some good trades that'll begin building the team for 2007.

 

As for the 0.500 thing. Why not shoot for the golden ring? What do I have to lose in posting it? I'm not trying to piss people off or get into arguements on how they can't blah blah blah. I'm simply stating they it COULD still happen, but time is running out.

 

I don't want this team to be the worst Cubs team ever. I don't want this team to lose 100 games. Big difference from previous years of shooting for the playoff and World Series HUH?

[Derwood]

I just ordered a spell checker for Scott G.F. It should be arriving shortly

[fromthestretch]

I just ordered a spell checker for Scott G.F. It should be arriving shortly

 

:lol:

[Shilzzz]

anyone who thinks that jim hendry will build a world champion team is a fool, regardless of trade deadlines.

 

The Cubs did come within a game of the World Series in 2003 and Hendry's decision to trade for Kenny Lofton & Aramis Ramirez helped the team with the stretch drive. The guy gets bashed quite a bit anymore so it's only fair to point out the whole story.

 

But in any case, to me the goal of deadline deals isn't to transform the Cubs into title contenders for 2007. The goal would be to expand the base of younger talent and add pieces which could contribute to a title team down the road, perhaps 2008.

 

what exactly has he done? 2003, i will give him that, and hell, i will give him nomar. but as of right now, where things stand, even after the easy additions of ramirez and nomar, he has done more harm than good by not allowing himself to look outside the blinders of what he set up to get to where they were in 03.

 

wood? prior? baker? perez? hollandsworth? dubois? rusch? rothschild?

 

it's easy to bash hendry because he's horrible. once he gets 2003 good again, let me know.

[Shilzzz]

Gooney, take a step back and bearth a minute. Yes a trade before the deadline would be a great thing. Hip hip hurry, but don't count on it and don't get bent over the fact if Hendry does nothing. I'm not hoping he does nothing. I'm just not going to cry in my beer because he did nothing. Good deal's have been worked out past the deadline. Which appearently you don't agree with. Fine.

 

 

Scott, again, are you trying to make my wife a widow? Do you want my head to explode?

 

There is ADDED MOTIVATION right now for other teams to make a run at it, and thus, they are more willing to give up a little more in terms of prospects in exchange for help NOW.

 

The Cubs NEED to take advantage of this and use the opportunity to leverage the trades.

 

Scott, it honestly just seems like you are defending whatever Cubs organization does regardless of logic. Then you top that off with steaming promises of .500-style turnarounds one after the other. The scary part for me is, I think you are not trolling, you are being genuine. Somebody call the looney-bin!

 

 

 

I completely agree with the ADDED MOTIVATION the Cubs should have to deal. I agree the Cubs should use the leverage they have now. Many teams really feel that this might be their year and will give a little of their future up to win one this year (I would for the Cubs).

 

Only marginal deals can be made after the deadline. Well take a long look at the Cubs roster. Marginal is all that we have. I'd put Nevin on wavers for a couple of prospects any day of the week. I'd start cashing them in IF Hendry doesn't get the offers that benefit the Cubs before the deadline.

 

The panic thoughts of "Trade everyone" is foolish and GM's that do that usually end up working for ESPN. Hendry has some playing chips this year and it'll be interesting to see what he does with them. He's a seller, no doubt for the first time since the Dusty era. I believe Hendry can turn in some good trades that'll begin building the team for 2007.

 

As for the 0.500 thing. Why not shoot for the golden ring? What do I have to lose in posting it? I'm not trying to piss people off or get into arguements on how they can't blah blah blah. I'm simply stating they it COULD still happen, but time is running out.

 

I don't want this team to be the worst Cubs team ever. I don't want this team to lose 100 games. Big difference from previous years of shooting for the playoff and World Series HUH?

 

i'd rather they lose out and get a better draft pick than go for .500. what's that going to do, really?