Pierre?

[dvdd127]

Ok. So lets say the Cubs to shop Pierre.

what do you think they can get for him? and then if he is moved... who is our leadoff guy?

[oldstyle81]

pierre is gone at the end of the year

 

i wouldnt mind seeing him gone

 

it dosent really matter who leads off, this team is dead

[A New Era]

He's NOT gone at the end of the year. Remember when everybody was crying for a lead-off hitter. Now we have one. He's improving his #'s and if he ends on a positive note, we will resign him.

 

We should instead work on getting 2 starting pitchers, and 2 big bats. Whether they be in the position of SS, 2B, LF or RF it doesn't matter.

[NorthsideAvenger]

pierre is gone at the end of the year

 

i wouldnt mind seeing him gone

 

it dosent really matter who leads off, this team is dead

 

I used to think that to, oldstyle, but now, I am ALMOST positive that Pierre will be back for atleast two yrs. A couple of reasons:

 

1: Felix Pie has showned he hasn't conquer AAA, which means he ain't ready for the Majors. And there really no other OF prospect ready to make the jump, outside of maybe......Chris Walker?

 

2: The OF free agency core isn't exactly STRONG. Edmonds could lead the pack (club option, I believe will be decline), and the best option of Edmonds is Jose Guillen. Sheffield's too old. Roberts is Pierre with some pop, but older. And that's about it.

 

My guess is....Pierre stays and signs a 2 yr deal for roughly the amount he made this yr. Pierre stays, because there really is no other STRONG candidate to replace in CF.

 

Pierre stays.

[Flames24Rulz]

IMO, he's going to be re-signed, especially if Hendry is not fired. The leadoff man is one of the most important things for him on a ballclub, and with Pierre's AVG soaring, there's no way he will let Pierre go after the season.

[HoopsCubs]

My guess is....Pierre stays and signs a 2 yr deal for roughly the amount he made this yr. Pierre stays, because there really is no other STRONG candidate to replace in CF.

 

Pierre stays.

 

 

Are you thinking 2 years and $12M with a mutual (includes vesting) option for the 3rd year?

[bhogg]

right, wrong, or indifferent, I think Pierre is a cub in '07.

 

Sure, there might be better options, but there could also be a lot worse.

[dvdd127]

You guys forgot that Lee will also be a free agent this coming offseason...

isnt he a "big bat".

 

Personally I agree with those of you who say Pierre will be back in 07... I also agree that there is a limited # of OFers that will be free agents this offseason..The only one that catches my eye of those who will be FAs in the offseason is Lee.

[Flames24Rulz]

You guys forgot that Lee will also be a free agent this coming offseason...

isnt he a "big bat".

 

Personally I agree with those of you who say Pierre will be back in 07... I also agree that there is a limited # of OFers that will be free agents this offseason..The only one that catches my eye of those who will be FAs in the offseason is Lee.

 

Soriano is also a FA, but he'll probably move back to the IF next year.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd try to upgrade at the corners and move Jones to CF.

 

Pierre is a one-trick pony and his trick really isn't that good.

[dvdd127]

I'd try to upgrade at the corners and move Jones to CF.

 

Pierre is a one-trick pony and his trick really isn't that good.

Honestly I dont even know what his trick is.

[Sammy Sofa]

Grounding out.

 

If the Cubs got two big bats for the OF, say, C-Lee and Abreu, I could live with Pierre for a another 2-3 years. Anything less, no thanks.

[Fred Hornkohl]

If Pierre can contunue to put numbers like he has over the last 2 months, I think he'll be more than welcome next year.

 

05/19 - 07/23      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Pierre            243   28   76   14    5    1  103   12   10   13  0.313  0.351  0.424  0.775

 

But if he reverts back to what he did during the first 6 weeks of the season, I hope the door doesn't hit him...... well..... you know.

 

04/03 - 05/18      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Pierre            166   22   38    6    2    0   48    2    8   16  0.229  0.269  0.289  0.558

[bhogg]

I think it's obvious that Pierre is on a cycle of sterroids and HGH. His hits have routinely been hit in the 100-120 foot range. . . . coincidence? No sir. . . .

[NewUserName]

Hasnt Pierre always been a slow starter? If so couple that with the fact that ARam is also a slow starter that would really put our offense in a bind the first couple of months of the season. Especially if the manager continues to bat him lead-off with a .260 obp.

 

I am glad he is doing better. By all accounts he is a great guy. I would just rather gamble on another option. For Pierre to be a good lead-off man he would have to hit at least .310. I think there is better gambles to be had. I would just let Pie do it instead of Pierre. I wouldnt mind being 20 games below .500 with a rookie. Pie upside is a lot better than Pierre. For those who say that he isnt ready ask yourself this, How many of Floridas players were "ready" when they came up. I know they are not winning but they are on their way. If the Cubs stay with players like Pierre I would say that they are not even on their way.

[dvdd127]

Being a slow start doesnt mean he is hitting under .240 for the first 7+ weeks of the season like Pierre was.

[SCCubbieFAN]

You guys forgot that Lee will also be a free agent this coming offseason...

isnt he a "big bat".

 

Personally I agree with those of you who say Pierre will be back in 07... I also agree that there is a limited # of OFers that will be free agents this offseason..The only one that catches my eye of those who will be FAs in the offseason is Lee.

 

Soriano is also a FA, but he'll probably move back to the IF next year.

 

Just because these guys are FAs after this season does not mean they will sign with the Cubs. The Cubs have a less than stellar history of getting good hitting position players to sign as FAs regardless of the amount of money they have to spend on signing FAs.

[LuckyPup]

i think in Hendry's eye's Juan's recent resurgence will justify an extension-he gave up 3 arms for this guy, and he wants to stay in Chicago- re-sign him and move on- We arent going to be creative enough to get a lead-off/ tablesetter type player via trade so just sign him and Carlos Lee and then get the pitching shored up-

[Sammy Sofa]

i think in Hendry's eye's Juan's recent resurgence will justify an extension-he gave up 3 arms for this guy, and he wants to stay in Chicago- re-sign him and move on- We arent going to be creative enough to get a lead-off/ tablesetter type player via trade so just sign him and Carlos Lee and then get the pitching shored up-

 

That's not nearly enough to make this team contend.

[CubbieRich]

on the South Side.

 

The White Sox are having trouble with Brian Anderson in CF-fielding and hitting. They are also having problems at the bottom and the top of their lineup. They also need a righthanded middle reliever.

 

Pierre and one of(Novoa or Wuertz) for Josh Fields(3rd). If they want Bobby Howry instead, I want Ryan Sweeney(cf) too.

 

Then trade ARAM and Maddux to the Dodgers(Izturis) and OF or Padres for OF prospects.

[bhogg]

probably a terrible example, but last year, DLee hit 99 points worse in avg, 72 points worse in obp, and 152 points worse in SLG in the second half.

 

Crap happens. . . .season is long. . . blah blah blah.

 

 

No doubt Pierre was terrible to start out, but sometimes that happens when switching teams (sometimes it doesn't). Still, you gotta give the guy credit for picking it up lately.

 

What drives me nuts is that even with Pierre's surge, we're not scoring runs much better than before.

[Warpticon]

on the South Side.

 

The White Sox are having trouble with Brian Anderson in CF-fielding and hitting. They are also having problems at the bottom and the top of their lineup. They also need a righthanded middle reliever.

 

Pierre and one of(Novoa or Wuertz) for Josh Fields(3rd). If they want Bobby Howry instead, I want Ryan Sweeney(cf) too.

 

Then trade ARAM and Maddux to the Dodgers(Izturis) and OF or Padres for OF prospects.

 

Wait, wasn't the idea to get *better* in some way? Izturis is a younger Neifi without the pop. WE ALREADY HAVE NEIFI. Josh Fields is a 3B prospect who hasn't OPS'd over .780 since being drafted and doesn't look to be any more of a solution in the immediate than the Cubs' own Scott Moore (I assume the glove is better, but still). Besides salary dumping, how does this improve the cubs at all? And why Sweeney? He doesn't look that impressive, and if he was that ready to play everyday, wouldn't the Sox use him to fix their apparent CF problem anyway?

[dvdd127]

You guys forgot that Lee will also be a free agent this coming offseason...

isnt he a "big bat".

 

Personally I agree with those of you who say Pierre will be back in 07... I also agree that there is a limited # of OFers that will be free agents this offseason..The only one that catches my eye of those who will be FAs in the offseason is Lee.

 

Soriano is also a FA, but he'll probably move back to the IF next year.

Thats fine... put him at second.

 

You guys forgot that Lee will also be a free agent this coming offseason...

isnt he a "big bat".

 

Personally I agree with those of you who say Pierre will be back in 07... I also agree that there is a limited # of OFers that will be free agents this offseason..The only one that catches my eye of those who will be FAs in the offseason is Lee.

 

Soriano is also a FA, but he'll probably move back to the IF next year.

 

Just because these guys are FAs after this season does not mean they will sign with the Cubs. The Cubs have a less than stellar history of getting good hitting position players to sign as FAs regardless of the amount of money they have to spend on signing FAs.

Hopefully history wont repeate itself this year... we will just have to wait an see

 

i think in Hendry's eye's Juan's recent resurgence will justify an extension-he gave up 3 arms for this guy, and he wants to stay in Chicago- re-sign him and move on- We arent going to be creative enough to get a lead-off/ tablesetter type player via trade so just sign him and Carlos Lee and then get the pitching shored up-

yes. thats all true.. but keep in mind we dont know how fast pierre would have heated up had Lee not been injured. I think he may have heated up a little faster if Lee never got injured. I am not blaming his slow start on Lee's injury just saying it may not have been as bad if Lee had not gotten injured.

[CubColtPacer]

i think in Hendry's eye's Juan's recent resurgence will justify an extension-he gave up 3 arms for this guy, and he wants to stay in Chicago- re-sign him and move on- We arent going to be creative enough to get a lead-off/ tablesetter type player via trade so just sign him and Carlos Lee and then get the pitching shored up-

 

That's not nearly enough to make this team contend.

 

Really? Assuming that we pick up a player somewhat like Walker to play short (I'll use his name here, even though I don't expect him to be here next season), that would give us a lineup of:

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Lee

Barrett

Jones/Murton

Cedeno

 

That's a pretty nice lineup. Cedeno if he plays like he has this year is mostly a hole down in the 8 spot, but his stats are probably only going to go up from this year, not down. A Jones and Murton platoon is going to give you good production out of right field to go with Lee's good production out of left (not great like this year-but good). If we shored up the pitching like the person said by signing a starter or two, that team could certainly contend.

[dvdd127]

i think in Hendry's eye's Juan's recent resurgence will justify an extension-he gave up 3 arms for this guy, and he wants to stay in Chicago- re-sign him and move on- We arent going to be creative enough to get a lead-off/ tablesetter type player via trade so just sign him and Carlos Lee and then get the pitching shored up-

 

That's not nearly enough to make this team contend.

 

Really? Assuming that we pick up a player somewhat like Walker to play short (I'll use his name here, even though I don't expect him to be here next season), that would give us a lineup of:

 

Pierre

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Lee

Barrett

Jones/Murton

Cedeno

 

That's a pretty nice lineup. Cedeno if he plays like he has this year is mostly a hole down in the 8 spot, but his stats are probably only going to go up from this year, not down. A Jones and Murton platoon is going to give you good production out of right field to go with Lee's good production out of left (not great like this year-but good). If we shored up the pitching like the person said by signing a starter or two, that team could certainly contend.

yes.. but thats also asuming the we get Carlos to come here.