Sean Marshall's Inning Counter

[CubbieRich]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

[goonys evil twin]

Dusty thinks the All Star break is enough to make up the difference.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think keeping his pitch count to 80 or less should be good enough but I'm sure Baker will get him up to 110 and when he's hurt blame injuries once again.

 

I want Hill, Guzman and Marshall up and starting and Marmol to close. Release Rusch and trade Maddux to the Brewers. Put Johnny Fontain at second and Murton in left. Trade Walker, Perez, Pierre, Dempster and Williamson. Anyone else if it helps the team.

 

Of course all is moot until Baker is gone.

[Pinktermite]

you know they won't trade pierre, he's playing too well these days. I agree, they should work all these rookies in and see which ones pack the gear to serve in our beloved Corps.

[goonys evil twin]

you know they won't trade pierre, he's playing too well these days. I agree, they should work all these rookies in and see which ones pack the gear to serve in our beloved Corps.

 

When he's playing well is the time to trade a guy who isn't going to help you in the future.

[CuseCubFan69]

you know they won't trade pierre, he's playing too well these days. I agree, they should work all these rookies in and see which ones pack the gear to serve in our beloved Corps.

 

When he's playing well is the time to trade a guy who isn't going to help you in the future.

 

Yep...sell high Jim Hendry and take advantage of this spike.

[TheDude]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

[CuseCubFan69]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

 

It's too bad the Cubs can't just give an MRI to each pitcher after each game and see how the tissue and tendons are doing.

 

Heck, maybe even going to a 6 man rotation if a pitchers arm feels a little tired might be the thing to do. They have 12 pitchers on the roster...use them.

[Pinktermite]

Come on, Hendry never sells high! When was the last time he did something like that? He'll give his butt an extension before he does that.

[fiver]

Come on, Hendry never sells high! When was the last time he did something like that? He'll give his butt an extension before he does that.

 

 

That's just crazy. His butt needs no extensions....it's quite a large entity already.

[imb]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

 

For a young guy who has never thrown 100 innings (i think) and has never pitched above AA, it is a lot. He can't get though a full minor league season without ending up on the DL, in a lost season, it's time to err on the side of caution

[goonys evil twin]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

 

You don't think there's any reason to be careful with a pitcher who is on his way to completely destroying his previous career high in innings pitched in a year?

 

It's not a matter of shutting him down, but how about taking some preemptive measures with a pitcher's health instead of just assuming that health is completely up to chance?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd like to see him hit the 130-140 range and then be given the rest of the summer off.

[Pinktermite]

we shouldn't extend Pierre's butt, or any other part of his anatomy, including his checking account. Though I reserve the right to change my mind should he keep playing well.

 

And I'm sick of coddling these pitchers. They should pitch, every day, and I don't think 100-110 pitches per outing is such a bad thing. How many did Marshall throw Wed?

[goonys evil twin]

we shouldn't extend Pierre's butt, or any other part of his anatomy, including his checking account. Though I reserve the right to change my mind should he keep playing well.

 

And I'm sick of coddling these pitchers. They should pitch, every day, and I don't think 100-110 pitches per outing is such a bad thing. How many did Marshall throw Wed?

 

Sick of coddling? Dusty has abused his pitchers more than any manager in baseball. They haven't been coddled, at all.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Sean Marshall's IP:

 

2001: Age 19, VCU: 72 IP

2002: Age 20, VCU: 85 IP

2003: Age 21, VCU: 86.1 IP + Boise: 73 IP + Lansing: 7 IP = 146.1 IP

2004: Age 22, Lansing: 48.2 IP + WT: 29 IP = 77.2 IP

2005: Age 23, Daytona: 69 IP + WT: 25 IP = 94 IP

2006: Age 24, Cubs: 93.2 IP

 

Obivously the 2003 IP is somewhat misleading since he had a break between his time at Virginia Commonwealth and the Cubs system. I'd like to see him not get extended much in his starts right now and really limit his innings to around 150.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

you know they won't trade pierre, he's playing too well these days. I agree, they should work all these rookies in and see which ones pack the gear to serve in our beloved Corps.

 

When he's playing well is the time to trade a guy who isn't going to help you in the future.

 

Agreed.

[TheDude]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

 

You don't think there's any reason to be careful with a pitcher who is on his way to completely destroying his previous career high in innings pitched in a year?

 

It's not a matter of shutting him down, but how about taking some preemptive measures with a pitcher's health instead of just assuming that health is completely up to chance?

 

You'll have to point the area in my post where I stated there is no reason to be careful with a young pitcher...I can't find it either.

 

I'm asking how 150 IP is the new arm blowout total, especially given 200 IP the gold standard for a durable pitcher.

 

Marshall has only eclipsed 100 pitches twice this year, and those games were 102 PC. Seems to me Dusty's staff has been pretty careful with Marshall thus far. The kid needs to build up big league arm strength and putting him in long relief right now or removing him from the rotation only hurts his development.

[goonys evil twin]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

 

You don't think there's any reason to be careful with a pitcher who is on his way to completely destroying his previous career high in innings pitched in a year?

 

It's not a matter of shutting him down, but how about taking some preemptive measures with a pitcher's health instead of just assuming that health is completely up to chance?

 

You'll have to point the area in my post where I stated there is no reason to be careful with a young pitcher...I can't find it either.

 

I'm asking how 150 IP is the new arm blowout total, especially given 200 IP the gold standard for a durable pitcher.

 

Marshall has only eclipsed 100 pitches twice this year, and those games were 102 PC. Seems to me Dusty's staff has been pretty careful with Marshall thus far. The kid needs to build up big league arm strength and putting him in long relief right now or removing him from the rotation only hurts his development.

 

When you called it absurd that people were voicing concern of Marshall's IP numbers you pretty much insinuated there's no reason to be careful with his IP numbers. Nobody said 150 IP is the new arm blowup level. But 150 is beyond his career high, and he has had injuries in just about every year, so it's not absurd at all to say you would hate to see him cruise past his previous highs and blow his arm out.

[Bruno7481]

Sean Marshall is already at the highest innings pitched of his career-mid 80's. Hate to see this guy go 150-160 innings and blow his arm out. Maybe if they use Marmol, Guzman and Rich Hill more in the 2nd half, Marshall would be moved to long relief?

 

Since when did 150 innings become enough to blow out a pitcher's arm? Watching pitch counts is one thing, but this is a little absurd.

 

You don't think there's any reason to be careful with a pitcher who is on his way to completely destroying his previous career high in innings pitched in a year?

 

It's not a matter of shutting him down, but how about taking some preemptive measures with a pitcher's health instead of just assuming that health is completely up to chance?

 

You'll have to point the area in my post where I stated there is no reason to be careful with a young pitcher...I can't find it either.

 

I'm asking how 150 IP is the new arm blowout total, especially given 200 IP the gold standard for a durable pitcher.

 

Marshall has only eclipsed 100 pitches twice this year, and those games were 102 PC. Seems to me Dusty's staff has been pretty careful with Marshall thus far. The kid needs to build up big league arm strength and putting him in long relief right now or removing him from the rotation only hurts his development.

 

When you called it absurd that people were voicing concern of Marshall's IP numbers you pretty much insinuated there's no reason to be careful with his IP numbers. Nobody said 150 IP is the new arm blowup level. But 150 is beyond his career high, and he has had injuries in just about every year, so it's not absurd at all to say you would hate to see him cruise past his previous highs and blow his arm out.

 

I think the staff has been very protective of Marshall so far this year, I don't have any complaints in that regard. I understand that 150 IP would exceed his career high. But when is it "OK" to let him exceed his career high? He is going to have to do it sometime. Would next year be ok? The year after?

 

As long as he is handled properly, which he has been this year, you would think he' be fine. I wouldn't like to see him approach 200IP, but I wouldn't want to completely shut him down either.

[goonys evil twin]

I think the staff has been very protective of Marshall so far this year, I don't have any complaints in that regard. I understand that 150 IP would exceed his career high. But when is it "OK" to let him exceed his career high? He is going to have to do it sometime. Would next year be ok? The year after?

 

As long as he is handled properly, which he has been this year, you would think he' be fine. I wouldn't like to see him approach 200IP, but I wouldn't want to completely shut him down either.

 

There's nothing wrong with pushing past previous highs. But he's coming off back to back years of about 80 IP, and he's on pace for 170. It's mostly the recurring injury issues that is causing me concern, more so than the career high thing. I do think they've shown some caution, but part of that is Marshall hasn't been very good the 3rd time through lineups, and they will have to pay more and more attention to the issue the further he goes. I think it would be wise to fit in more off days than just the all star break.

[bleedcubbieblue]

I think keeping his pitch count to 80 or less should be good enough but I'm sure Baker will get him up to 110 and when he's hurt blame injuries once again.

 

I want Hill, Guzman and Marshall up and starting and Marmol to close. Release Rusch and trade Maddux to the Brewers. Put Johnny Fontain at second and Murton in left. Trade Walker, Perez, Pierre, Dempster and Williamson. Anyone else if it helps the team.

 

Of course all is moot until Baker is gone.

 

Sounds like a plan! Something you thought out and gave some time, along with thinking about the future, all things that Hendry, or any Cubs GM or management has never done, so don't even think about anything close to this happening. If anything, Baker would replace all of them with seasoned vets if he could, thankfully, he does not have that much control.

 

Now if it had something to do with attendance or making more money, you can bet the Cubune has a 10 year plan at least, if not more. Like, when is that restaurant going to be opening up in center field. I am sure that has been planned out to the day it is going to open.

 

BCB

[cubfan1955]

I'd like to see him hit the 130-140 range and then be given the rest of the summer off.

Come on Dude, we're in the middle of a pennant race here! :twisted:

[NCCubFan]

One way to keep from overusing youngsters, but still giving them a chance to get an extended major league trial, might be to piggyback them, like sometimes happens in the minors. For example, they could piggyback Marshall and Guzman (maybe give them each four innings each outing) for one rotation spot and piggyback Hill and Marmol for another spot. You'd have a rotation of Zambrano, Prior, Maddux, Marshall/Guzman, and Hill/Marmol.

[BigSlick]

The discussion is moot, if Dusty is still here, then Marshall will go 250+ innings.

 

If he isn't, he'll probably go 200+ anyway. He wont be sitting.