The Neifi-Meter

[CubsBullsBears]

Niefi is not a platoon guy either. His purpose is to give a guy a day off here and there, and to provide late-innings defense.

[goonys evil twin]

but since we are stuck with him through probably next year, he might as well play (NEXT YEAR IF CEDENO CONTINUES TO NOT HIT LEFTIES) when he can help the team.

 

You support the idea of not letting Cedeno hit against lefties and then advocate letting Neifi play a lot next year if Cedeno continues to not hit lefties. Sounds like a plan designed by somebody who wants Neifi to play a lot.

 

Neifi sucks, left handed or right handed. A small portion of his splits against LHP where he was a little better than incompetent is not nearly enough to plan, on purpose, to have Neifi get regular time.

 

There is not justification for giving Neifi playing time. Neifi should only be a last resort. He should never play into preseasons plans as a guy who will be getting regular playing time. He's awful. His presence on this team severely limits the chances for victory, and the more he plays, the lower the chances become.

[BigSlick]

If you had a choice, would you rather see Neifi DFA'd or Baker fired?

 

Trick question, if Baker is fired, the new manager would refuse to play Neifi so its not hard at all.

[CubColtPacer]

but since we are stuck with him through probably next year, he might as well play (NEXT YEAR IF CEDENO CONTINUES TO NOT HIT LEFTIES) when he can help the team.

 

You support the idea of not letting Cedeno hit against lefties and then advocate letting Neifi play a lot next year if Cedeno continues to not hit lefties. Sounds like a plan designed by somebody who wants Neifi to play a lot.

 

Neifi sucks, left handed or right handed. A small portion of his splits against LHP where he was a little better than incompetent is not nearly enough to plan, on purpose, to have Neifi get regular time.

 

There is not justification for giving Neifi playing time. Neifi should only be a last resort. He should never play into preseasons plans as a guy who will be getting regular playing time. He's awful. His presence on this team severely limits the chances for victory, and the more he plays, the lower the chances become.

 

 

Goony, are you then calling Neifi the worst player in the major leagues? That is certainly the implication of saying that playing a player severly diminishes their chance of victory.

Neifi is a fine player for what he should be-a utility player to give players a day off. The people in this thread are showing his career numbers to show that if Neifi is used in this way, and only gives people days off when there is a lefty on the mound, that he is a fine bench player. Let me give you a scenario. I told you I wanted to sign a utility guy for the bench. His primary position is shortstop, a postion where our current shortstop cannot hit lefties. This utility player hits decently against lefties, with a .275 career mark, which is certainly better than our starter. He also is an excellent defender at the position. I want to sign him to only spell this shortstop and occasionally other positions only when they need a day off and only when a lefty is on the mound. Both of these conditions could easily be done. Doesn't this sound like a fine move for the bench? Are you saying you wouldn't take this player? The problem is, people have seen Neifi so misused over the last year and a half that they cannot stand to see him in the lineup at all, even though he does have a limited role that could help a ballclub.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Can people point me to something that shows Neifi to be excellent defensively?

[CubinNY]

but since we are stuck with him through probably next year, he might as well play (NEXT YEAR IF CEDENO CONTINUES TO NOT HIT LEFTIES) when he can help the team.

 

You support the idea of not letting Cedeno hit against lefties and then advocate letting Neifi play a lot next year if Cedeno continues to not hit lefties. Sounds like a plan designed by somebody who wants Neifi to play a lot.

 

Neifi sucks, left handed or right handed. A small portion of his splits against LHP where he was a little better than incompetent is not nearly enough to plan, on purpose, to have Neifi get regular time.

 

There is not justification for giving Neifi playing time. Neifi should only be a last resort. He should never play into preseasons plans as a guy who will be getting regular playing time. He's awful. His presence on this team severely limits the chances for victory, and the more he plays, the lower the chances become.

 

 

Goony, are you then calling Neifi the worst player in the major leagues? That is certainly the implication of saying that playing a player severly diminishes their chance of victory.

Neifi is a fine player for what he should be-a utility player to give players a day off. The people in this thread are showing his career numbers to show that if Neifi is used in this way, and only gives people days off when there is a lefty on the mound, that he is a fine bench player. Let me give you a scenario. I told you I wanted to sign a utility guy for the bench. His primary position is shortstop, a postion where our current shortstop cannot hit lefties. This utility player hits decently against lefties, with a .275 career mark, which is certainly better than our starter. He also is an excellent defender at the position. I want to sign him to only spell this shortstop and occasionally other positions only when they need a day off and only when a lefty is on the mound. Both of these conditions could easily be done. Doesn't this sound like a fine move for the bench? Are you saying you wouldn't take this player? The problem is, people have seen Neifi so misused over the last year and a half that they cannot stand to see him in the lineup at all, even though he does have a limited role that could help a ballclub.

 

Neifi might be a 25th man, but his usage pattern indicates otherwise.

 

Having Neifi on a team with Baker is like giving a crackhead 2.5 million dollars a year for two years. The crackhead is going to hit that pipe early and often.

[gflore34]

What strike's me as somewhat ironic about the mis or over use of Perez is Baker' feeble excuse that's its all in an attempt to win. If that were truely the case, since Lee's return, Todd Walker would have been at 2B.

[frostwyrm]

I would be OK with keeping Neifi if we get a new manager, but if Dusty is here for 2007 you know Neifi will get his 300+ at bats again and keep batting 2nd.

[goonys evil twin]

but since we are stuck with him through probably next year, he might as well play (NEXT YEAR IF CEDENO CONTINUES TO NOT HIT LEFTIES) when he can help the team.

 

You support the idea of not letting Cedeno hit against lefties and then advocate letting Neifi play a lot next year if Cedeno continues to not hit lefties. Sounds like a plan designed by somebody who wants Neifi to play a lot.

 

Neifi sucks, left handed or right handed. A small portion of his splits against LHP where he was a little better than incompetent is not nearly enough to plan, on purpose, to have Neifi get regular time.

 

There is not justification for giving Neifi playing time. Neifi should only be a last resort. He should never play into preseasons plans as a guy who will be getting regular playing time. He's awful. His presence on this team severely limits the chances for victory, and the more he plays, the lower the chances become.

 

 

Goony, are you then calling Neifi the worst player in the major leagues? That is certainly the implication of saying that playing a player severly diminishes their chance of victory.

Neifi is a fine player for what he should be-a utility player to give players a day off. The people in this thread are showing his career numbers to show that if Neifi is used in this way, and only gives people days off when there is a lefty on the mound, that he is a fine bench player. Let me give you a scenario. I told you I wanted to sign a utility guy for the bench. His primary position is shortstop, a postion where our current shortstop cannot hit lefties. This utility player hits decently against lefties, with a .275 career mark, which is certainly better than our starter. He also is an excellent defender at the position. I want to sign him to only spell this shortstop and occasionally other positions only when they need a day off and only when a lefty is on the mound. Both of these conditions could easily be done. Doesn't this sound like a fine move for the bench? Are you saying you wouldn't take this player? The problem is, people have seen Neifi so misused over the last year and a half that they cannot stand to see him in the lineup at all, even though he does have a limited role that could help a ballclub.

 

I clearly stated my complaint is with the amount of time he gets to play. But yes, he is pretty darn close to the worst player in major league baseball. Maybe some guys who have had a cup of coffee are worse, but he's probably the worst one to play as much as he did.

 

Neifi sucks. It's a simple fact. You can field a roster with 25 better guys rather easily, and you should. But if you absolutely must have Neifi then you better pay him the minimum and let him play once every blue moon. Anything else hurts the team.

[soccer10k]

Against lefties for Ronny:

 

2006: .177/.210/.208 in 96 AB's

2005: .256/.275/.333 in 39 AB's

 

That would give him an estimated line of .200/.235/.250 for his career against lefties. Neifi's career numbers against lefties look much better than that don't they?

 

Neifi is not a good hitter vs lefties. Hell, he's not even a decent hitter against lefties. If Ronny needs a platoon partner, the team would be a lot better off if Hendry went out and found a real one.

 

Um, your stats from earlier say otherwise:

 

Neifi has a .275/.299/.429 line against lefties in his career.

 

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

Since it is a lost season I would love to see Ronny play every day so he gets used to hitting lefties better. But to say Neifi is not even a decent hitter against lefties is just wrong.

[CubinNY]

Um, your stats from earlier say otherwise:

 

Neifi has a .275/.299/.429 line against lefties in his career.

 

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

Are you freaking kidding me? In what universe is that a decent line?

[Geech]

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

No, it's not decent, a .299 OBP is pathetic. It's terrible overall, and it's bad even for a shortstop.

[soccer10k]

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

No, it's not decent, a .299 OBP is pathetic. It's terrible overall, and it's bad even for a shortstop.

 

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

[Geech]

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, Ronny's performance against left-handed hitters has been pure crap so far. However, Neifi Perez is not an acceptable solution to that problem.

[Bruno7481]

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

No, it's not decent, a .299 OBP is pathetic. It's terrible overall, and it's bad even for a shortstop.

 

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

 

This arguent blows up every couple of weeks it seems. Put me in the cam that believes Neifi catches a lot of unncessary criticism. SHould he have a 2 year deal? No. Would it hurt my feelings if he wasn't on the team? No. Is he as bad aas everyone wants to make him out to be? No.

 

He's insignificant and doesn't merit as much discussion as he seems to generate.

[YearofDaCubs]

How do people expect Walker to get to his career numbers when he is not playing on a consistent basis? Baker is doing more harm than good, no question.

[CuseCubFan69]

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, Ronny's performance against left-handed hitters has been pure crap so far. However, Neifi Perez is not an acceptable solution to that problem.

 

IMO the reason being Perez is old we know what he can do and Cedeno has to be given the chance to see if he can handle lefties.

[goonys evil twin]

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

No, it's not decent, a .299 OBP is pathetic. It's terrible overall, and it's bad even for a shortstop.

 

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

 

This arguent blows up every couple of weeks it seems. Put me in the cam that believes Neifi catches a lot of unncessary criticism. SHould he have a 2 year deal? No. Would it hurt my feelings if he wasn't on the team? No. Is he as bad aas everyone wants to make him out to be? No.

 

He's insignificant and doesn't merit as much discussion as he seems to generate.

 

His playing time doesn't support the claim that he is insignificant.

 

And yes, he is as bad as people claim him to be.

[Bruno7481]

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

No, it's not decent, a .299 OBP is pathetic. It's terrible overall, and it's bad even for a shortstop.

 

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

 

This arguent blows up every couple of weeks it seems. Put me in the cam that believes Neifi catches a lot of unncessary criticism. SHould he have a 2 year deal? No. Would it hurt my feelings if he wasn't on the team? No. Is he as bad aas everyone wants to make him out to be? No.

 

He's insignificant and doesn't merit as much discussion as he seems to generate.

 

His playing time doesn't support the claim that he is insignificant.

 

And yes, he is as bad as people claim him to be.

 

No he's not. There have been a few guys in the past few years that have been as bad or worse than Neifi.

 

I'm not saying he is good, don't get me wrong. Neifi doesn't control his playing time, neither do I, neither do you. He is rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

[soccer10k]

That is a decent line against lefties for his career and he is doing much better than that this year.

 

No, it's not decent, a .299 OBP is pathetic. It's terrible overall, and it's bad even for a shortstop.

 

Then what would you consider Ronny's line against lefties to be?

 

This arguent blows up every couple of weeks it seems. Put me in the cam that believes Neifi catches a lot of unncessary criticism. SHould he have a 2 year deal? No. Would it hurt my feelings if he wasn't on the team? No. Is he as bad aas everyone wants to make him out to be? No.

 

He's insignificant and doesn't merit as much discussion as he seems to generate.

 

His playing time doesn't support the claim that he is insignificant.

 

And yes, he is as bad as people claim him to be.

 

No he's not. There have been a few guys in the past few years that have been as bad or worse than Neifi.

 

I'm not saying he is good, don't get me wrong. Neifi doesn't control his playing time, neither do I, neither do you. He is rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

 

Well stated. My sentiments exactly.

[goonys evil twin]

No he's not. There have been a few guys in the past few years that have been as bad or worse than Neifi.

 

I'm not saying he is good, don't get me wrong. Neifi doesn't control his playing time, neither do I, neither do you. He is rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

 

Nobody that plays as often as he does is insignificant.

 

Who cares if somebody else has been worse? The fact is he's dreadfully awful. There's no getting around that fact. He's proven it time and time again over the course of a long career.

[Bruno7481]

No he's not. There have been a few guys in the past few years that have been as bad or worse than Neifi.

 

I'm not saying he is good, don't get me wrong. Neifi doesn't control his playing time, neither do I, neither do you. He is rather insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

 

Nobody that plays as often as he does is insignificant.

 

Who cares if somebody else has been worse? The fact is he's dreadfully awful. There's no getting around that fact. He's proven it time and time again over the course of a long career.

 

I care, because I think it is major hyperbole to repeatedly claim he is "the worst player in the league, worst in history of MLB, etc."

 

He is a lightning rod and he shouldn't be. Blame Baker/Hendry and Co. for signing him. Personally I think Neifi has contribute more to the Cubs in a positive manner than Jerry Hairston Jr ever did.

[Geech]

Personally I think Neifi has contribute more to the Cubs in a positive manner than Jerry Hairston Jr ever did.

 

Why?

[Bruno7481]

Personally I think Neifi has contribute more to the Cubs in a positive manner than Jerry Hairston Jr ever did.

 

Why?

 

I didn't look at the stats, Hairston's numbers may be a bit better, but if so they probably aren't by much.

 

I should have said that they were similar players, yet Hairston never got this treatment.

[YearofDaCubs]

Personally I think Neifi has contribute more to the Cubs in a positive manner than Jerry Hairston Jr ever did.

 

Why?

 

I didn't look at the stats, Hairston's numbers may be a bit better, but if so they probably aren't by much.

 

I should have said that they were similar players, yet Hairston never got this treatment.

At least Hairston took a walk from time to time instead of first pitch swinging every single time. Neifi needs to go along with Baker, period.