Near midnight for Bakerella?

[CuseCubFan69]

I would go for Spier for the interm but IMO the Cubs would want somebody that wasn't part of the losing and go to someone new like Brenly. Maybe Bob has been reading this site for a while and he is just keeping quite until he is the head man? I admit I do like Vances scenerio the best for the rest of this season.

[Garwilly]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

 

What about the Cubs buying out Giardi's contract? What about Joey Cora who seems to be ready to manage a club. Davey Johnson? No thanks!

 

 

He's a biter.

 

????

 

http://whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060522&content_id=1466517&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

 

a rumor took root concerning Cora having bit Cubs right fielder Jacque Jones during Saturday's bench-clearing brawl

[soccer10k]

Normally I would say, why even fire the manager during a lost season, but in Baker's case we should. If he is allowed to have a couple more months with the young Cubs players, he can only ruin them even more. Hendry needs to fire him as soon as he's made the decision. Obviously if it was up to people on this board Baker would be fired already but we aren't Hendry.

[badger1679666666]

While Garciaparra is reminding everyone of just how poorly the Cubs' decision-making is going in the front office as well as on the field -- he's hitting .361 this season for the Los Angeles Dodgers -- he was unable to return last season with his full strength or the required time to heal.

 

Man the front office is getting hammered in the papers today, and I LOVE it.

[cubfan1955]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

[Derwood]

I want Riggs back, but he's now in the scouting/development office for the Cardinals :cry:

[UMFan83]

It's Dustany

[C.C.]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

 

Who else would be a interm manager? Spier is as good as anyone else on that worthless bench...

[cubfan1955]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

 

Who else would be a interm manager? Spier is as good as anyone else on that worthless bench...

I don't think they would have a problem finding an interim manager. If they're going to take out the trash...take it all out. Heck, Hendry is such a genius why doesn't he come down to the dugout for the rest of the season to evaluate the players? He's managed before. Obviously he can't see how bad Neifi and Rusch really are from the front office. Maybe he could see it from the dugout. :lol:

[YearofDaCubs]

I have to say I'm shocked at this article. Kiley has been a Baker apologist up to now, at least he's always been a "it's not fair to blame it on Baker" guy. This kind of came out of leftfield.

Everybody is realizing how bad he is at managing. Who else in their right mind would platoon Murton and start Neifi and line him up at the 2 spot. He sucks, he's terrible, he always has been bad and now it's time for him to go. I'm just hoping when he leaves so does Hendry because he has no clue either.

[goonys evil twin]

Normally I would say, why even fire the manager during a lost season,

 

The answer is to get the rebuilding program started early. It's kind of like having a pitcher stop pitching when you know he's going under the knife soon. If you know a guy is gone at the end of the season, why keep him until the end of the season. Moves made today and the rest of the season, including managerial decisions about playing time and pitcher usage, will affect next season. So why keep a guy around to make those decisions when you don't plan on having him take a stake in next season? It's similar to the Bears keeping Mike Hatley on for the 2001 draft even though everybody knew he wasn't going to stay. Sure enough he was gone after the draft. It's not a question of whether a guy will give his best effort, it's just a matter of no good coming from a lame duck situation. Management types with no stake in the future of the organization should not be allowed to make management decisions.

[moorecg]

Normally I would say, why even fire the manager during a lost season,

 

The answer is to get the rebuilding program started early. It's kind of like having a pitcher stop pitching when you know he's going under the knife soon. If you know a guy is gone at the end of the season, why keep him until the end of the season. Moves made today and the rest of the season, including managerial decisions about playing time and pitcher usage, will affect next season. So why keep a guy around to make those decisions when you don't plan on having him take a stake in next season? It's similar to the Bears keeping Mike Hatley on for the 2001 draft even though everybody knew he wasn't going to stay. Sure enough he was gone after the draft. It's not a question of whether a guy will give his best effort, it's just a matter of no good coming from a lame duck situation. Management types with no stake in the future of the organization should not be allowed to make management decisions.

 

Also, and maybe more importantly, it would keep this crew away from Murton, Cedeno, Pie and any other young guys who come up this year to hopefully slow down the damage they are doing there.

[CuseCubFan69]

Normally I would say, why even fire the manager during a lost season,

 

The answer is to get the rebuilding program started early. It's kind of like having a pitcher stop pitching when you know he's going under the knife soon. If you know a guy is gone at the end of the season, why keep him until the end of the season. Moves made today and the rest of the season, including managerial decisions about playing time and pitcher usage, will affect next season. So why keep a guy around to make those decisions when you don't plan on having him take a stake in next season? It's similar to the Bears keeping Mike Hatley on for the 2001 draft even though everybody knew he wasn't going to stay. Sure enough he was gone after the draft. It's not a question of whether a guy will give his best effort, it's just a matter of no good coming from a lame duck situation. Management types with no stake in the future of the organization should not be allowed to make management decisions.

 

Come on now the Cubs were only a bunch of games back when they put an injured Wood in the pen. I swear these people just do not know how to use their assets. Getting rid of just Baker is like giving an alcoholic a new liver and letting him continue to drink booze unless Baker was pulling more strings than we know.

Edited June 23, 2006 by CuseCubFan69

[goonys evil twin]

Also, and maybe more importantly, it would keep this crew away from Murton, Cedeno, Pie and any other young guys who come up this year to hopefully slow down the damage they are doing there.

 

Yes, that is probably the most important point.

[thedaymen]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

 

Spier is the only one that wasn't a "Baker Boy." I don't think he's all that loyal to Baker so he likely would accept the postion.

 

Secondly, he makes an easy person to promote. I'm not advocating giving him the job. On ther other hand, I don't think he'll do a horrible job and in reality, we're just letting him have the helm until the end of the season. I think he'd be easier to replace in the offseason than other people who you might have to promise a longer tenure to.

 

Many candidates may not be available mid-season. By promoting Spier as interim, the Cubs give themselves the time to plan rather than reacting impulsively.

 

Sure Brenly would take the job, but my guess is he'd want more than an interim title to step down from the booth into the dugout. Since I think we can do better than Brenly, I'd rather not hitch our wagon to that horse in such a situation.

[CuseCubFan69]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

[C.C.]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

Varsho? Why not throw in Jody Davis in the mix also. I'm kidding of course...I still think they missed the boat with Giardi.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

Isn't that why we got Jeff Blauser?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

Isn't that why we got Jeff Blauser?

 

I think it's different with players than managers. For a manager, it matters. For players, I just want good ones. I could care less where they come from.

[Derwood]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

Isn't that why we got Jeff Blauser?

 

No, we got him because he hit Cubs pitching really well

[BigbadB]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

Yep. You're likely not going to get a Fredi Gonzalez in midseason. I'd prefer a guy who honored his commitments.

 

An interim is just a guy who is going to finish out a lost season. At the same time, if the interim does a good job, you have opened up the door for future employment. Hiring someone from within makes the most sense for what may only be a part time gig.

 

Not that it matters a whole lot, but Chris Speier played for the Cubs in 85-86.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

Agreed. I like Freddi Gonzalez, simply because he has learn under Cox. I mean, you look at Ned Yost, and he helped turn the atmosphere around in Milwaukee with the help of ONE SERIOUSLY UNDERRATED GM in Melvin. And he learned under Cox, and I believe Freddi would bring an ere of accountability, and professionism to the Cubs, especially since Baker has run this organization like a child care center.

 

But before then, I like the suggestion of Vance, in that promote Speier, and see what he can do. The only mandate is that any young player the Cubs bring up before the end of the yr, gets a solid amount of playing.

 

So I figure, everybody is in a "decent mood" because of the fact that Dusty is in the last legs of his tenure in Chicago? :lol:

Edited June 23, 2006 by NorthsideAvenger

[C.C.]

I'm thinking Dusty is gone right after or right before the ASB.