Near midnight for Bakerella?

[Fro]

Just looking at other sports, just getting someone from a winning program or organization doesn't always rub off. In basketball, I look at Mike Davis or any of the Duke assistant coaches that have flopped at other programs.

 

I'd like the next manager to be a proven winner at whatever level he's at, and not be a retread who's floated around and been fired from various jobs.

[C.C.]

I'd like the next manager to be a proven winner at whatever level he's at, and not be a retread who's floated around and been fired from various jobs.

 

That's always tricky also, Dusty was a proven winner when he came here and flopped. I'd like a good manager that has a passion for the team and the city.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm thinking Dusty is gone right after or right before the ASB.

 

And he'll slide right into the GM slot! Mr. Hendry will then gain the title Super GM and Clines/Mathews will be co-managers.

[C.C.]

I'm thinking Dusty is gone right after or right before the ASB.

 

And he'll slide right into the GM slot! Mr. Hendry will then gain the title Super GM and Clines/Mathews will be co-managers.

 

You know that wouldn't surprise me the way things have been going the past 3 years...

[goonys evil twin]

I find it interesting how little interest is being paid to this story, relatively speaking. A month ago and this would have been a 15 page thread already.

[C.C.]

I think we are sick of talking about it. We have been talking about this since 2004.

[goonys evil twin]

I think we are sick of talking about it. We have been talking about this since 2004.

 

I was talking about it in September 2002.

[C.C.]

I think we are sick of talking about it. We have been talking about this since 2004.

 

I was talking about it in September 2002.

 

Yes you were and I believe it was on the ESPN.COM chat site. How time flies and nothing changes eh?

[srbin84]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

 

Spier is the only one that wasn't a "Baker Boy." I don't think he's all that loyal to Baker so he likely would accept the postion.

 

Secondly, he makes an easy person to promote. I'm not advocating giving him the job. On ther other hand, I don't think he'll do a horrible job and in reality, we're just letting him have the helm until the end of the season. I think he'd be easier to replace in the offseason than other people who you might have to promise a longer tenure to.

 

Many candidates may not be available mid-season. By promoting Spier as interim, the Cubs give themselves the time to plan rather than reacting impulsively.

 

Sure Brenly would take the job, but my guess is he'd want more than an interim title to step down from the booth into the dugout. Since I think we can do better than Brenly, I'd rather not hitch our wagon to that horse in such a situation.

 

What about him makes you want to consider him for the position after this season?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

 

Spier is the only one that wasn't a "Baker Boy." I don't think he's all that loyal to Baker so he likely would accept the postion.

 

Secondly, he makes an easy person to promote. I'm not advocating giving him the job. On ther other hand, I don't think he'll do a horrible job and in reality, we're just letting him have the helm until the end of the season. I think he'd be easier to replace in the offseason than other people who you might have to promise a longer tenure to.

 

Many candidates may not be available mid-season. By promoting Spier as interim, the Cubs give themselves the time to plan rather than reacting impulsively.

 

Sure Brenly would take the job, but my guess is he'd want more than an interim title to step down from the booth into the dugout. Since I think we can do better than Brenly, I'd rather not hitch our wagon to that horse in such a situation.

 

What about him makes you want to consider him for the position after this season?

 

Nothing really. But we'd have half a season to observe him on the job to make an assessment. He could be given an interview with no guarantees of the job.

[srbin84]

Could the Cubs actually get the chance to talk to Gonzalez during the season?

 

Doubtful.

 

Here's my scenario. Fire Baker, Rothschild, Clines, Pole and Matthews. Promote Spier to interim manager. Promote Von Joshua as interim hitting coach. See if Billy Williams will serve as third base or bench coach for the interim. Promote other guys within the organization to serve in the other capaities.

 

At the end of the season, interview Gonzalez, Dierker, and even Spier. Hopefully, Davey Johnson will be available for an interview as well.

 

The new manager can select his own staff.

Just curious. Why Spier? I just don't see that as productive at all.

 

Spier is the only one that wasn't a "Baker Boy." I don't think he's all that loyal to Baker so he likely would accept the postion.

 

Secondly, he makes an easy person to promote. I'm not advocating giving him the job. On ther other hand, I don't think he'll do a horrible job and in reality, we're just letting him have the helm until the end of the season. I think he'd be easier to replace in the offseason than other people who you might have to promise a longer tenure to.

 

Many candidates may not be available mid-season. By promoting Spier as interim, the Cubs give themselves the time to plan rather than reacting impulsively.

 

Sure Brenly would take the job, but my guess is he'd want more than an interim title to step down from the booth into the dugout. Since I think we can do better than Brenly, I'd rather not hitch our wagon to that horse in such a situation.

 

What about him makes you want to consider him for the position after this season?

 

Nothing really. But we'd have half a season to observe him on the job to make an assessment. He could be given an interview with no guarantees of the job.

 

Well, this job is way too big for someone like him. The Cubs need to hire someone with at least experience or excellent credentials. I would just tell Spier he can finish out the season, see what it's like to manage some big league games and go on his way unless the new manager wants him as the third base coach again.

[Outshined_One]

Well, this job is way too big for someone like him. The Cubs need to hire someone with at least experience or excellent credentials. I would just tell Spier he can finish out the season, see what it's like to manage some big league games and go on his way unless the new manager wants him as the third base coach again.

 

Eh, it wouldn't hurt to see what happens if he is the interim manager. Maybe he ends up being respected in the clubhouse, puts together good lineups, and knows what he's doing with the bullpen. If he comes aboard as the interim manager and the team does well, it wouldn't hurt to at least interview him again and give him some thought.

 

If he's just as clueless as Baker, he can be discarded rather easily at the end of the season.

[srbin84]

Well, this job is way too big for someone like him. The Cubs need to hire someone with at least experience or excellent credentials. I would just tell Spier he can finish out the season, see what it's like to manage some big league games and go on his way unless the new manager wants him as the third base coach again.

 

Eh, it wouldn't hurt to see what happens if he is the interim manager. Maybe he ends up being respected in the clubhouse, puts together good lineups, and knows what he's doing with the bullpen. If he comes aboard as the interim manager and the team does well, it wouldn't hurt to at least interview him again and give him some thought.

 

If he's just as clueless as Baker, he can be discarded rather easily at the end of the season.

 

I still don't like it. If the team plays better, he might not even have anything to do with it and come out looking great and getting an unearned extension. He's a Hendry guy. The more I think about it, I don't even want this guy anywhere near the team if Dusty and other coaches are fired.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You think Speier would take the job knowing he has no shot at it after the season?

 

Very few people will. It's not a guarantee and Speier will know that. It's very difficult to find an interim outside the organization. Those persons will want a more long term guarantee.

 

Speier is the best option for an interim. He can be interviewed along with Gonzalez, Dierker, and any other candidate the Cubs choose to consider.

[srbin84]

You think Speier would take the job knowing he has no shot at it after the season?

 

Very few people will. It's not a guarantee and Speier will know that. It's very difficult to find an interim outside the organization. Those persons will want a more long term guarantee.

 

Speier is the best option for an interim. He can be interviewed along with Gonzalez, Dierker, and any other candidate the Cubs choose to consider.

 

What if he is just as inept as Baker but wins? Do you want Hendry to interview that kind of manager, especially when the person in question is his friend?

[C.C.]

You think Speier would take the job knowing he has no shot at it after the season?

 

Very few people will. It's not a guarantee and Speier will know that. It's very difficult to find an interim outside the organization. Those persons will want a more long term guarantee.

 

Speier is the best option for an interim. He can be interviewed along with Gonzalez, Dierker, and any other candidate the Cubs choose to consider.

 

Was Larry Dierker fired after the 2001 season? I can't remember?

[thedaymen]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

I hope you mean interesting as "unexpected and thought-provoking" not interesting as "[expletive]." :?

 

I agree with that also, but there are those out there that like Sarge because he's Sarge and and think Billy is a fine coach because he hit all those hr's decades ago. People like that could like Varsho.

 

I think he has the resume to be a good major league manager...some folks might want a guy like Gary to have a "starter" team first before moving on to the big time; but I want an overhaul. I think a new manager and new players could grow together. There's no reason the 2008 Cubs can't resemble the 2006 Mets.

[C.C.]

I know he's gotten no love from anyone on this, but I think if the Cubs want to go with a young manager, Gary Varsho should be in the mix. He won an Eastern Division title with the Reading Phillies, has spent time on the bench in Philadelphia and for those who are in to nostalgia, was a member of the 1989 NL East Champs.

 

That's an interesting choice. Personally I don't care if the new manager is an ex-Cub or not....I just want a good manager.

 

Agreed.

 

I'd also look at managers who have been part of a winning tradition. That's why I've very high on Fredi Gonzalez. I hope the Braves way of doing things has rubbed off on him.

 

I hope you mean interesting as "unexpected and thought-provoking" not interesting as "[expletive]." :?

 

I agree with that also, but there are those out there that like Sarge because he's Sarge and and think Billy is a fine coach because he hit all those hr's decades ago. People like that could like Varsho.

 

I think he has the resume to be a good major league manager...some folks might want a guy like Gary to have a "starter" team first before moving on to the big time; but I want an overhaul. I think a new manager and new players could grow together. There's no reason the 2008 Cubs can't resemble the 2006 Mets.

 

What has Gary Varsho done to make you think he'll be a good ML manager? Just curious? I don't know enough about him to consider him a ML manager

[thedaymen]

 

What has Gary Varsho done to make you think he'll be a good ML manager? Just curious? I don't know enough about him to consider him a ML manager

 

He spent at least two season managing in the Phillies minor leagues after a couple of years coaching. In (I think) 2002 he was the manager of the Reading Phillies (AA) when they won the Eastern Division Title. He was then promoted to AAA where he managed for a year before being promoted to Philadelphia Phillies bench coach where's he's been since.

 

A slightly better resume then Randolph had 18 months ago.

[cubfan1955]

Why was Speier fired at Oakland? Just asking. I really don't know.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You think Speier would take the job knowing he has no shot at it after the season?

 

Very few people will. It's not a guarantee and Speier will know that. It's very difficult to find an interim outside the organization. Those persons will want a more long term guarantee.

 

Speier is the best option for an interim. He can be interviewed along with Gonzalez, Dierker, and any other candidate the Cubs choose to consider.

 

What if he is just as inept as Baker but wins? Do you want Hendry to interview that kind of manager, especially when the person in question is his friend?

 

I have a feeling that no matter who takes the job on interim, they will get at least an interview for the full-time gig. Would you rather Hendry make a snap judgement and not be able to interview all candidates because some candidates are already employed on other clubs?

[Geech]

What if he is just as inept as Baker but wins? Do you want Hendry to interview that kind of manager, especially when the person in question is his friend?

 

If Hendry can't make good choices then it doesn't matter who he selects as the interim manager.

[srbin84]

You think Speier would take the job knowing he has no shot at it after the season?

 

Very few people will. It's not a guarantee and Speier will know that. It's very difficult to find an interim outside the organization. Those persons will want a more long term guarantee.

 

Speier is the best option for an interim. He can be interviewed along with Gonzalez, Dierker, and any other candidate the Cubs choose to consider.

 

What if he is just as inept as Baker but wins? Do you want Hendry to interview that kind of manager, especially when the person in question is his friend?

 

I have a feeling that no matter who takes the job on interim, they will get at least an interview for the full-time gig. Would you rather Hendry make a snap judgement and not be able to interview all candidates because some candidates are already employed on other clubs?

 

Whether it is Speir or someone else, I'd rather Hendry just tell that person they would be considered after the season just to get them to babysit this mess for the rest of the season. In reality, it would be a flat out lie, but I don't have faith in Hendry to do that, at least with Speir. Furthermore, Hendry probably sees the us as still being in the race, at least for the wild card. I'd expect him to hire his longterm guy now so they can spark the team to a playoff run. That's just how he is probably looking at it.

[BigbadB]

I'd expect him to hire his longterm guy now so they can spark the team to a playoff run. That's just how he is probably looking at it.

 

So, Hendry's long term guy is currently unemployed and waiting on Hendry to call him? Sounds like a great candidate.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You think Speier would take the job knowing he has no shot at it after the season?

 

Very few people will. It's not a guarantee and Speier will know that. It's very difficult to find an interim outside the organization. Those persons will want a more long term guarantee.

 

Speier is the best option for an interim. He can be interviewed along with Gonzalez, Dierker, and any other candidate the Cubs choose to consider.

 

What if he is just as inept as Baker but wins? Do you want Hendry to interview that kind of manager, especially when the person in question is his friend?

 

I have a feeling that no matter who takes the job on interim, they will get at least an interview for the full-time gig. Would you rather Hendry make a snap judgement and not be able to interview all candidates because some candidates are already employed on other clubs?

 

Whether it is Speir or someone else, I'd rather Hendry just tell that person they would be considered after the season just to get them to babysit this mess for the rest of the season. In reality, it would be a flat out lie, but I don't have faith in Hendry to do that, at least with Speir. Furthermore, Hendry probably sees the us as still being in the race, at least for the wild card. I'd expect him to hire his longterm guy now so they can spark the team to a playoff run. That's just how he is probably looking at it.

 

Wow...what integrity you have. I surely hope you never find yourself in a position of authority.