Stats with Neifi Starting

[jwhatti]

Does anyone know the win/loss totals with Neifi starting? Also, can anyone tell me why he bats 2nd? Especially when Ronny is batting .300?

 

I am sure someone has posted this somewhere on here. If so, could someone post a link to it?

 

Thanks

[dalgreen]

I don't have the win/loss totals of when Neifi starts or when Walker starts, although I'd be both records would be under .500. This team is horible, Ramirez can't hit, Murton and Jones take bad turns/angles in the outfield, we hit into too many double plays, we can't hit with runners in scoring position, we don't have a good OBP as a team, and our starting pitching isn't very good. Neifi being on this team and playing is a big problem, but the list I made above are bigger problems.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

The Cubs are 9-17 when Neifi starts. Here is a breakdown:

 

April with Neifi (416k): 6-2

May with Neifi (416k): 0-13

June with Neifi (208k): 3-2

Edited June 15, 2006 by MembersOnlyJacket

[BigbadB]

Does anyone know the win/loss totals with Neifi starting? Also, can anyone tell me why he bats 2nd? Especially when Ronny is batting .300?

 

I am sure someone has posted this somewhere on here. If so, could someone post a link to it?

 

Thanks

 

I don't have the stats for games he starts, but I can provide a win/loss record in games where he batted more than once.

 

9 wins, 19 losses. Neifi's contribution in games they've won with him having more than 2 at bats in games they won? 6 hits in 34 at bats, or a .176 AVG. They won in spite of his presence. 4 of his 6 hits in games they won came in the first two games. Since then, he has gone 2-27 in games they won.

 

For the record, I don't want Cedeno in the 2 spot either. Walker and Murton should be batting 1/2.

[UMFan83]

The Cubs are 8-17 when Neifi starts.

 

So 3 games under .500 when he doesn't (over a larger sample size), 9 games under when he does

[soccer10k]

Does anybody have a team runs per game when he starts vs when he doesn't?

[blufftonbuck]

Also, can anyone tell me why he bats 2nd?

 

Dusty's offensive philosophy is to only have the first 2 batters see only 1 pitch each so we can get the third place hitter to the plate faster. : ](*,)

Edited June 15, 2006 by blufftonbuck

[MembersOnlyJacket]

 

For the record, I don't want Cedeno in the 2 spot either. Walker and Murton should be batting 1/2.

 

I'd bat Murton 2nd or 6th right now. I'd put the lineup together as follows:

 

Walker

Murton

Jones

Nevin

Ramirez

Barrett

Cedeno

Pierre

[jwhatti]

 

For the record, I don't want Cedeno in the 2 spot either. Walker and Murton should be batting 1/2.

 

I'd bat Murton 2nd or 6th right now. I'd put the lineup together as follows:

 

Walker

Murton

Jones

Nevin

Ramirez

Barrett

Cedeno

Pierre

 

The only problem with that line up is Neifi isn't in it. Dusty has to have Neifi in there for his stellar defense and switch hitting ablilities.

[KaiserCesar]

For the record, I don't want Cedeno in the 2 spot either. Walker and Murton should be batting 1/2.

 

Right on. Maybe a leadoff role could bring back the very patient Murton as well. Cedeno is the 8 hitter on a team unless they are A) really bad or B) starts taking more walks and has an OBP over league average

 

P.S. I don't like Neifi

[MembersOnlyJacket]

The Cubs are 9-17 when Neifi starts. Here is a breakdown:

 

April with Neifi (416k): 6-2 (6.0 r/game)

May with Neifi (416k): 0-13 (3.0 r/game)

June with Neifi (208k): 3-2 (5.4 r/game)

[dalgreen]

This team is a bad team right now no matter what kind of lineup changes you make. The only way this team gets better is with better personnel. Changing the lineup around, even with moving Walker and Murton to the top spots only matters to Jones and Nevin, both of whom could strike out with these guys on. OBP is not just reserved for the first two in the order, but should be good up and down the lineup. Even with a change in the lineup this team would still be bad with OBP, hitting with RISP, grounding into double plays and below average starting pitching. We need new personnel.

[cheapseats]

 

For the record, I don't want Cedeno in the 2 spot either. Walker and Murton should be batting 1/2.

 

I'd bat Murton 2nd or 6th right now. I'd put the lineup together as follows:

 

Walker

Murton

Jones

Nevin

Ramirez

Barrett

Cedeno

Pierre

 

Murton is a double-play machine. According to BP's NETDP statistic, which measures the number of additional double plays hit into compared to an average player, he's #10 in all of MLB at hitting into double plays. I'd hit him first rather than second.

 

By the way, this team does hit into a lot of double plays. Aramis Ramirez is #20 on the list. Phil Nevin, when he was at Texas, was at #21. Derrek Lee is at #29. Michael Barrett is at #31. The only position players who aren't hitting into DP's at a higher-than-average rate are Todd Walker and Juan Pierre.

 

As a team, the Cubs are #3 in MLB at total GIDP's, behind SF and Pittsburgh. However, we're second-to-last in the league in OBP, so we probably hit into double plays a higher percentage of the time than those two teams.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Ronny vs RHP: 338/355/469/824 (254 OBP vs LHP)

Murton vs LHP: 375/444/571/1016 (298 OBP vs RHP)

 

Either would work fine at the top of the order, provided the opposing pitcher is taken into consideration.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Ronny vs RHP: 338/355/469/824 (254 OBP vs LHP)

Murton vs LHP: 375/444/571/1016 (298 OBP vs RHP)

 

Either would work fine at the top of the order, provided the opposing pitcher is taken into consideration.

 

Those splits are RIDICULOUS. And it goes to show how much of an impact a incompetent manager has on the outcome of a season. Any rational mind could have a big possitive effect on the offence armed with stats like those. The 1.016 OPS really is shocking to me from Murton.

[CuseCubFan69]

This team is a bad team right now no matter what kind of lineup changes you make. The only way this team gets better is with better personnel. Changing the lineup around, even with moving Walker and Murton to the top spots only matters to Jones and Nevin, both of whom could strike out with these guys on. OBP is not just reserved for the first two in the order, but should be good up and down the lineup. Even with a change in the lineup this team would still be bad with OBP, hitting with RISP, grounding into double plays and below average starting pitching. We need new personnel.

 

Well duh! I can't take this team seriously in any way. It reminds of trying to add to 100 with 10 numbers and none can be greater than 8.

[Soul]

Remember back in February when everyone posted their lineups for the season and pretended Neifi would never play?

 

#-o

 

Yeah.

 

Neifi will always play. Nothing can stop him, not ever!

[Chocolate Milk]

I lustily booed Neifi at every at bat when I went to the game on Tuesday. The surrounding fans were confused.

[JGalt73]

Neifi's bat in the lineup has been 11 runs below average to go with a net zero runs above average saved in the field. What is even more impressive is that he's managed to cost more than a game while getting only 5% of the team's plate appearances.

[SoonerCubFan]

Murton is a double-play machine. According to BP's NETDP statistic, which measures the number of additional double plays hit into compared to an average player, he's #10 in all of MLB at hitting into double plays. I'd hit him first rather than second.

 

Not only this, but the horrendous numbers he has with runners on vs. the somewhat acceptable numbers w/bases empty and/or leading off an inning would also argue for him to hit leadoff, if he's in the lineup. Especially against LHPs.

[CuseCubFan69]

Remember back in February when everyone posted their lineups for the season and pretended Neifi would never play?

 

#-o

 

Yeah.

 

Neifi will always play. Nothing can stop him, not ever!

 

I bet Dal that the Cubs would start Perez 140 times this year. I think I'm going to lose but I think Neifi will be close to 140 played though.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Remember back in February when everyone posted their lineups for the season and pretended Neifi would never play?

 

#-o

 

Yeah.

 

Neifi will always play. Nothing can stop him, not ever!

 

I bet Dal that the Cubs would start Perez 140 times this year. I think I'm going to lose but I think Neifi will be close to 140 played though.

 

He's on pace for 142, and a little under 400 ABs.

[YearofDaCubs]

The joke was on us who believed that Neifi was only going to become a bench player.

[JC]

With Bynum, Pierre, Womack and Neifi on the roster, Dusty has exactly what he has been bitching for for a couple of years--speed. Its a tired observation, I know, but its one that only three people in existence don't comprehend is a failing formula by itself. Speed is nice, when not coupled with mediocrity by way of talent at the other four tools.

 

The Cubs just suck. Say it aloud, its theraputic.

[CuseCubFan69]

With Bynum, Pierre, Womack and Neifi on the roster, Dusty has exactly what he has been bitching for for a couple of years--speed. Its a tired observation, I know, but its one that only three people in existence don't comprehend is a failing formula by itself. Speed is nice, when not coupled with mediocrity by way of talent at the other four tools.

 

The Cubs just suck. Say it aloud, its theraputic.

 

My name is Dusty and I'm a speedaholic. Opps....you have to recognize you have a problem first and Dusty and Mr. J. Hendry do not recognize it in any way. I think we need an intervention.