Nevin to the Cubs

[Danny82]

Any hope for this year relies on Hendry making an enormous impact acquisition, like Cabrera. This garbage doesn't help at all.

 

"at all"???

 

You are overstating your position.

 

It obviously gives the Cubs a better option than they currently have at 1B until Lee gets back and a right handed power bat on the bench when he does.

 

It makes them better right now.

 

You will have a hard time refuting that point.

[Danny82]

"The way Phil played out of the gate in April, he probably would have been impossible to acquire in a trade like this," Hendry said.

what? :roll:

 

I don't know why you are rolling your eyes.

 

Nevin was one of the best bats the Rangers had during the first few weeks of the season. Better than Tex, that's for sure.

[RockTheIvy]

"The way Phil played out of the gate in April, he probably would have been impossible to acquire in a trade like this," Hendry said.

what? :roll:

 

I don't know why you are rolling your eyes.

 

Nevin was one of the best bats the Rangers had during the first few weeks of the season. Better than Tex, that's for sure.

 

I dunno how Jimbo bag o Donuts thought the team could do anything without Lee, but I think it's comical that it took him 5 weeks to figure out that we needed help...in the oh so sexy form of Phil Nevin. Sweet.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Why are people getting animated over a "meh" move? This move is what it is...move for some power, that's it. It's not going to make/break this season. If people haven't notice this team is full of girlyesque type hitters, Nevin---not a good hitter---does bring SOME pop to the team. And imo, at least for the short-term; Nevin at 1st, Walker at 2B, is better then Womack at 2b, and Walker at 1B.

 

But hey...Womack is versatile. He can play SOME SS, OF, hell he can even run fast to the doughnut shop.

[CubinNY]

Any hope for this year relies on Hendry making an enormous impact acquisition, like Cabrera. This garbage doesn't help at all.

 

"at all"???

 

You are overstating your position.

 

It obviously gives the Cubs a better option than they currently have at 1B until Lee gets back and a right handed power bat on the bench when he does.

 

It makes them better right now.

 

You will have a hard time refuting that point.

 

Once Lee gets back Phill's 5 or 6 PAs/week will put the Cubs right in the cat bird seat.

 

On the other hand, maybe he can help IF they wake up and platoon JJ with him. That might be his best use.

[Banedon]

Someone said earlier that Nevin has caught in his career.

 

AB per position per baseball-reference.com

 

3B 483

1B 305

C 108

DH 65

LF 54

RF 38

OF 27

I'm assuming that you meant games per position?

 

Yes, and if everyone will please take a cue from Mizzou in reading all of my posts as to what I mean instead of what I actually say, that would really be for the best... :P

 

Yeah, Nevin hasn't caught much recently, but it's still going to be better to have him as an emergency catcher instead of Mabry...P

[CuseCubFan69]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

[CubinNY]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

[Soul]

Probably a decent move. Nevin's not in need of coaching, he is what he is at this point. That's good, because Dusty couldn't coach a player out of a wet paper bag.

 

Hairston was junk. Not sure why Tex wanted him. I guess because they know he was on the Cubs so he's probably better than what he's shown.

[RynoRules]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

[CubinNY]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

 

Exactly who was going to replace Mutron?

 

Bynum? Restovich? the dearly departed JH Jr?

 

It could be that Murton wasn't replaced becuase there was no one to replace him.

 

But as you and Tim pointed out, we shall see.

 

Although having a viable option on the bench is great, I fail to see how this move makes the Cubs appreciably better.

[USSoccer]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

 

Baker won't bench Jones for Nevin, and isn't smart enough to platoon them.

[Guest]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

 

Exactly who was going to replace Mutron?

 

Bynum? Restovich? the dearly departed JH Jr?

 

It could be that Murton wasn't replaced becuase there was no one to replace him.

 

But as you and Tim pointed out, we shall see.

 

Although having a viable option on the bench is great, I fail to see how this move makes the Cubs appreciably better.

Look at the number of at bats by the bench so far and the cumulative OPS of the bench players. Improving the bench is a very big deal.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

Nevin has been brutal in the OF throughout his career.

[BigbadB]

<-------resident Nevin expert

 

Look out, Chicago. The intensity level just doubled in the windy city.

 

If there is a player in MLB more intense than Nevin, I haven't seen him. And that includes Carlos Zambrano.

 

Absolute butcher in the outfield. He has no speed to track down fly balls and he takes horrible routes, but he's got a cannon in his right arm.

 

He can spell Ramirez for a game or two at 3rd, but anything regular can be tough for the pitching staff. 1st is where he can do the least amount of damage with a baseball glove, but DH suits him the best.

 

He may have had a change of heart about catching a few games, but he told San Diego to (expletive) themselves regarding catching games in San Diego.

 

He came through the minors as a catcher, got shifted to 3rd until Shawn Burroughs came up, moved to the outfield reluctantly (and as Tim stated early in this thread), got hurt, moved him to 1st which pushed Klesko back to the outfield. He's basically a DH.

 

Umpires must tread lightly around Nevin. Every pitch that he doesn't swing at should be called a ball, or they shall feel his wrath. I watched Nevin get thrown out of many a game in San Diego arguing balls and strikes.

 

But, I love the guy and his intensity. The player? Don't tell Dusty, but he just traded Jerry Hairston for Jason Dubois. Personally, I'd rather have some pop than the Punch and Judy's, anyway.

 

Nevin is as streaky as they come.

 

He was a clubhouse cancer in San Diego, but his cancer is basically "Todd Walker Disease". He wants to win. He wants to play. Of course, when he was with San Diego, he and Klesko felt they had some say so with the Padres management team. That's not the role Nevin will have in Chicago. Basically, he is stubborn about what position he has wanted to play, but the cancer anyone brings up is basically no different than the cancer that they relate to Todd Walker. He tells it like it is.

 

I'm dusting off my Nevin bobblehead and displaying him proudly on my desk. Early in the season, I was watching a Rangers game, I saw my Nevin bobblehead hanging out in storage, I displayed him on my desk during one of his at bats, and BOOM! He crushed one out of the park. My employee hates Nevin, so I can use the Nevin bobblehead for many various joys.

 

Welcome aboard, Phil. May you help make the Cubs not suck nearly as bad.

[Wheelimus]

Hopefully his desire to play and to actually get a major league contract next year will lead him to be more giving about where he plays.

[BigbadB]

Hopefully his desire to play and to actually get a major league contract next year will lead him to be more giving about where he plays.

 

He may be more giving now, considering how much his circumstances have changed. He was San Diego's franchise player at one time. However, he's not good anywhere defensively. He's better than Adam Dunn, but that's not saying much.

[CubinNY]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

 

Exactly who was going to replace Mutron?

 

Bynum? Restovich? the dearly departed JH Jr?

 

It could be that Murton wasn't replaced becuase there was no one to replace him.

 

But as you and Tim pointed out, we shall see.

 

Although having a viable option on the bench is great, I fail to see how this move makes the Cubs appreciably better.

Look at the number of at bats by the bench so far and the cumulative OPS of the bench players. Improving the bench is a very big deal.

 

The Cubs have 1703 ABs. Of those 350 are "bench" ABs. Neifi has the most with 93 or 26%. If we exclude his ABs (He has been the primary 2nd baseman) the number goes down to 257. That is right at 15 % of the ABs. If you take out Blanco (43) who rarely if ever PH, the number goes down to 12.5% or 214.

 

As of tonight the Cubs are averaging a pathetic 33 ABs/game. Using these numbers that gives us 3.96 ABs per game by the bench. For argument sake let's say that Nevin takes the lion's share of the bench ABs (say 33%) that gives him a grand total of 1.3 ABs per game.

 

I reiterate, I fail to see how this makes the Cubs appreciably better.

Edited June 1, 2006 by CubinNY

[CuseCubFan69]

<-------resident Nevin expert

 

Look out, Chicago. The intensity level just doubled in the windy city.

 

If there is a player in MLB more intense than Nevin, I haven't seen him. And that includes Carlos Zambrano.

 

Absolute butcher in the outfield. He has no speed to track down fly balls and he takes horrible routes, but he's got a cannon in his right arm.

 

He can spell Ramirez for a game or two at 3rd, but anything regular can be tough for the pitching staff. 1st is where he can do the least amount of damage with a baseball glove, but DH suits him the best.

 

He may have had a change of heart about catching a few games, but he told San Diego to (expletive) themselves regarding catching games in San Diego.

 

He came through the minors as a catcher, got shifted to 3rd until Shawn Burroughs came up, moved to the outfield reluctantly (and as Tim stated early in this thread), got hurt, moved him to 1st which pushed Klesko back to the outfield. He's basically a DH.

 

Umpires must tread lightly around Nevin. Every pitch that he doesn't swing at should be called a ball, or they shall feel his wrath. I watched Nevin get thrown out of many a game in San Diego arguing balls and strikes.

 

But, I love the guy and his intensity. The player? Don't tell Dusty, but he just traded Jerry Hairston for Jason Dubois. Personally, I'd rather have some pop than the Punch and Judy's, anyway.

 

Nevin is as streaky as they come.

 

He was a clubhouse cancer in San Diego, but his cancer is basically "Todd Walker Disease". He wants to win. He wants to play. Of course, when he was with San Diego, he and Klesko felt they had some say so with the Padres management team. That's not the role Nevin will have in Chicago. Basically, he is stubborn about what position he has wanted to play, but the cancer anyone brings up is basically no different than the cancer that they relate to Todd Walker. He tells it like it is.

 

I'm dusting off my Nevin bobblehead and displaying him proudly on my desk. Early in the season, I was watching a Rangers game, I saw my Nevin bobblehead hanging out in storage, I displayed him on my desk during one of his at bats, and BOOM! He crushed one out of the park. My employee hates Nevin, so I can use the Nevin bobblehead for many various joys.

 

Welcome aboard, Phil. May you help make the Cubs not suck nearly as bad.

 

But when Lee comes back do you think he'll be quiet and sit the bench? Lee does not sit out games so that leaves 3B and the corner OF spots for time.

[Guest]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

 

Exactly who was going to replace Mutron?

 

Bynum? Restovich? the dearly departed JH Jr?

 

It could be that Murton wasn't replaced becuase there was no one to replace him.

 

But as you and Tim pointed out, we shall see.

 

Although having a viable option on the bench is great, I fail to see how this move makes the Cubs appreciably better.

Look at the number of at bats by the bench so far and the cumulative OPS of the bench players. Improving the bench is a very big deal.

 

The Cubs have 1703 ABs. Of those 350 are "bench" ABs. Neifi has the most with 93 or 26%. If we exclude his ABs (He has been the primary 2nd baseman) the number goes down to 257. That is right at 15 % of the ABs. If you take out Blanco (43) who rarely if ever PH, the number goes down to 12.5% or 214.

 

As of tonight the Cubs are averaging a pathetic 33 ABs/game. Using these numbers that gives us 3.96 ABs per game by the bench. For argument sake let's say that Nevin takes the lion's share of the bench ABs (say 33%) that gives him a grand total of 1.3 ABs per game.

 

I reiterate, I fail to see how this makes the Cubs appreciably better.

1) those ab's are likely to be high leverage and we're not putting an absolutely atrocious hitter in play there

 

2) I don't think you can just exclude Neifi's AB's from the calculation entirely. When he's not starting, he's Dusty's "big bat" off the bench.

 

I am not saying this makes the team a lock for the WS, I'm just saying that it improves the team and is therefore worthwhile.

 

 

Are you trying to say the Cubs are worse off with this move? If not, why complain about it?

[stitchface]

Lee will likely need days off coming off the injury.

[CubinNY]

My man Dusty said in the pre game that he was going to try Nevin in the OF and see how that goes. Great minds think alike.

 

c'ya Matty.

 

In light of the fact that Dusty has had ample opportunity to bench Matt already and has not done so, I'm taking a wait and see approach. Murton has been hot lately. Let's see how this plays out.

 

I like this move. Nevin can play first until Lee returns and then gives use RHed pop off the bench, and hopefully a platoon partner for Jones.

 

Exactly who was going to replace Mutron?

 

Bynum? Restovich? the dearly departed JH Jr?

 

It could be that Murton wasn't replaced becuase there was no one to replace him.

 

But as you and Tim pointed out, we shall see.

 

Although having a viable option on the bench is great, I fail to see how this move makes the Cubs appreciably better.

Look at the number of at bats by the bench so far and the cumulative OPS of the bench players. Improving the bench is a very big deal.

 

The Cubs have 1703 ABs. Of those 350 are "bench" ABs. Neifi has the most with 93 or 26%. If we exclude his ABs (He has been the primary 2nd baseman) the number goes down to 257. That is right at 15 % of the ABs. If you take out Blanco (43) who rarely if ever PH, the number goes down to 12.5% or 214.

 

As of tonight the Cubs are averaging a pathetic 33 ABs/game. Using these numbers that gives us 3.96 ABs per game by the bench. For argument sake let's say that Nevin takes the lion's share of the bench ABs (say 33%) that gives him a grand total of 1.3 ABs per game.

 

I reiterate, I fail to see how this makes the Cubs appreciably better.

1) those ab's are likely to be high leverage and we're not putting an absolutely atrocious hitter in play there

 

2) I don't think you can just exclude Neifi's AB's from the calculation entirely. When he's not starting, he's Dusty's "big bat" off the bench.

 

I am not saying this makes the team a lock for the WS, I'm just saying that it improves the team and is therefore worthwhile.

 

 

Are you trying to say the Cubs are worse off with this move? If not, why complain about it?

 

What I'm saying is that trading for Neivin to improve the bench is not a very big deal.

 

This trade is classic Hendry. Too little, too late.

 

If Dusty uses Nevin as a platoon partner with JJ, I will be extremly surprized and extremely pleased. If he uses Nevin as a replacement for Murton I won't be happy at all, but will be less surprized. If he uses Nevin as the primary bat off the bench, I think that is great, but not a big deal at all.

[Soul]

Well teams know we're desperate now so pulling off a blockbuster deal is pretty much not going to happen.

[KaiserCesar]

There could be a positive other than being a better team in the short run. Nevin is a streaky hitter and will get a lot of playing time in the coming weeks until Lee comes back when he is less needed. If he catches fire for that time, he could bring in something more valuable from a contender than whatever JHJR would be worth at the time getting no playing time behing Womack/Neifi

[CubsWin]

What I'm saying is that trading for Neivin to improve the bench is not a very big deal.

Is anyone in this thread saying that it is?

 

This trade is classic Hendry. Too little, too late.

I'm really asking...so are you saying that you would be complaining less if Hendry just gave up and never addressed the lack of a right-handed power bat off the bench and fill-in for the injured Lee?

 

If Dusty uses Nevin as a platoon partner with JJ, I will be extremly surprized and extremely pleased. If he uses Nevin as a replacement for Murton I won't be happy at all, but will be less surprized. If he uses Nevin as the primary bat off the bench, I think that is great, but not a big deal at all.

I'm interested to see how Dusty uses Nevin. I don't see why using him as a platoon for Jones would be so surprising. He is a diehard believer in that lefty/righty platoon thing. He used it with Karros and Choi. Jones has been hot as of late against lefties, so while he remains hot and Lee remains on the DL, I think Nevin's primary position will be 1B, but once Lee returns, RF against lefties might be the only spot for Phil to get some ABs.

 

You've been predicting in previous posts that Dusty will sit Murton in favor of Nevin. Since both of them are righties and Murton's numbers are better than Nevin's this season, and Murton is clearly the better defender, why would any manager do this?

 

You must have some rationale other than "because the guy is an idiot", right?