Question on Hendry.....

[Soul]

Hendry's made some bad moves, but Dubois for Gerut and Gerut for Lawton were two wins. Dubois because he was worthless and Gerut had a history of playing pretty decent when healthy. Lawton because of his numbers at the time of the trade.

 

Jason Dubois turned into Justin Berg, a high A pitcher with a 2-3 record and a 4.40 ERA

 

Jody Gerut and Matt Lawton were just middlemen in that whole process.

 

I don't know how any of that can be a good thing.

 

It can't, especially considering the minor leagues are now pretty much drained and it has yielded what is likely a 95 loss ballclub. Hendry's a vampire; he's sucked all the blood out of this franchise top to bottom. The ARam/Lofton trade doesn't excuse the cavalcade of crap he's foisted on us ever since.

[wastra]

Hendry's made some bad moves, but Dubois for Gerut and Gerut for Lawton were two wins. Dubois because he was worthless and Gerut had a history of playing pretty decent when healthy. Lawton because of his numbers at the time of the trade.

 

They weren't wins. They were gambles that didn't work out in our favor. They wound up being washes, or double-losses, whichever way you want to look at it, because in no way did either trade help our team.

 

At the time, any sane individual would have made them though. In they end, they didn't work out, and we didn't lose anything.

 

Then how is that a win? So a trade that doesn't make us worse is now a win? that's pretty low standards.

[neely crenshaw]

This is such a ridiculous question. Name one trade where Hendry didn't get the right players.

 

 

Kenny Lofton and Am Ram for a bag of balls.

 

Hendry is a good GM. He'll make the right moves.

 

here is the prob with your thinking

1...that was 3 seasons ago. loftin was a gimme...aram turned out on a gamble he was playing,hitting, fielding horribly in pittsburgh.

you must also factor in he passed on scott rolen to gamble on aram.

lee for choi..no complaints

barrett good pick up but he passed on pudge when we were very, very close to being a ws team for a hopeful in barrett.

willis for 6 finger...

pierre

burnitz

sosa for hairston and we pay sosa alot

jones for 6mil instead of another 1.5 to get furcal

lawton

gerult

getting no closer and ruining hawkins

nomar

alou and sosa replaced by dubois and burnitz...

neifi over and over

rusch over and over

getting absolutely no one to help our lineup or rotation this spring

 

this is a what i like about hendry, he makes some good gamble moves. williamson, dempster, miller and even rusch to a certain extent. those are good moves that are cheap and could have high value.

the problem is these are the only moves he makes. so we end up with high priced..high gamble players. for instance: we have jones,pierre,wood,prior ,lee and aram making around 50 mil a year. for that jones is playing about his career averages, lee is hurt(but that is the first time ever) and none of the others is doing anything.

i would rather see us throw money at a player that is consistent and healthy. yes we would have overpaid for furcal BUT he plays 155 games and you have a pretty good idea of how he will play. instead we overpay for jones, and then have to have pierre- who combines make morethan furcal BUT we are hoping they can return to form. there are no guarantees..things like lee's injory happen but give me the guy without a history-who is not trying to rebound from a few bad seasons.

[neely crenshaw]

Hendry's made some bad moves, but Dubois for Gerut and Gerut for Lawton were two wins. Dubois because he was worthless and Gerut had a history of playing pretty decent when healthy. Lawton because of his numbers at the time of the trade.

 

They weren't wins. They were gambles that didn't work out in our favor. They wound up being washes, or double-losses, whichever way you want to look at it, because in no way did either trade help our team.

 

now i see why some fans think hendry is good. let's look at the dubois trade. we take a sure fire prospect who was absolutley untouchable through the minors- we would not even listen to an offer. we hand him the job of replacing sosa...and even mention that he could be rookie of the year. then by june we give up and we trade him for a hobbled outfielder who limped around for a month...and then trade him for a vet "to be free agent" that you let walk at the end of the year. so you got NOTHING! a guy you would not deal for anything..you trade for ZERO.

that is not a good trade, that is not a wash. it is a horrible devaluation of one of your stud prospects, who a year earlier you could have gotten some pretty good value for but instead you get zip, zero, nada

[wastra]

Hendry really does nothing BUT gamble moves. It's like he's still in a MLB Draft mode. When he is successful, they're GREAT looking moves, but we tend to forget that he's making 10+ deals/signings that turn out to be mistakes or even horrible catastrophes for every one good move.

 

Look at this team:

Rusch:original signing was a reclamation gamble after a joke of a season.

Neifi: seriously.

Jones: Gamble after two terrible seasons.

Pierre: Gamble after a terrible season

Ramirez: Gamble during a poor season

Lee: great trade

Maddux: Overpaid for aging pitcher who has pitched pretty mediocre at best since coming here.

Howry: Good signing

Eyre: Good Signing

Dempster: Reclamation gamble

Williamson: Reclamation Gamble

Bynum: Huh?

Pagan: NRI, I believe....gamble

Walker: Last minute signing was a good move

Hairston: Desperation move, gamble coming off injury plagued seasons

Murton: Good job to get him added in the Nomar deal, but handing him LF is looking like a gamble.

Barret: Gamble. Had injury problems and had never performed to his expectations. Turned out to be a good gamble.

Blanco: Not really any type of signing other than poor.

Novoa: Kinda a gamble, but not a huge one.

 

Seriously- the only people he's signed on this roster who weren't gambles were: Walker (a no-risk, low cost signing), Lee, Maddux, Eyre, and Howry, Murton and maybe Novoa. Great job, Jim.

 

 

We haven't actually improved this team in 3 years. I don't know what standards make that a "good GM," but by mine it's certainly not.

[CubfaninCA]

my concern is that he'll keep going w/ the guys who have let the cubs down the past 3 years. one of prior/wood has to go.. trade one of them and get a power hitting outfielder.

 

any cf they bring in will find a way to suck.

[gflore34]

From some of the aquistions, such as Bynum and Negron, it appears Hendry is confused by the fact that every Baseball player is an athlete but, not every athlete is a Baseball player.

[srbin84]

Hendry's made some bad moves, but Dubois for Gerut and Gerut for Lawton were two wins. Dubois because he was worthless and Gerut had a history of playing pretty decent when healthy. Lawton because of his numbers at the time of the trade.

 

They weren't wins. They were gambles that didn't work out in our favor. They wound up being washes, or double-losses, whichever way you want to look at it, because in no way did either trade help our team.

 

now i see why some fans think hendry is good. let's look at the dubois trade. we take a sure fire prospect who was absolutley untouchable through the minors- we would not even listen to an offer. we hand him the job of replacing sosa...and even mention that he could be rookie of the year. then by june we give up and we trade him for a hobbled outfielder who limped around for a month...and then trade him for a vet "to be free agent" that you let walk at the end of the year. so you got NOTHING! a guy you would not deal for anything..you trade for ZERO.

that is not a good trade, that is not a wash. it is a horrible devaluation of one of your stud prospects, who a year earlier you could have gotten some pretty good value for but instead you get zip, zero, nada

 

We'll, they did screw up in not recognizing Dubois wasn't wasn't very good and trading him earlier when he had more value. As far as where things were when they did trade him, I don't think there was any point to keeping him around. Had he stayed with us, Murton may have never gotten his shot last year.

[badger1679666666]

Good Moves:

 

Lee for Choi

Aram/Lofton for Bag of Balls

Nomar/Murton for Bag of Balls (regardless of Nomar's stint here)

Karros/Grudz for Hundley

Barrett pick up (was that a trade?)

Howry/Eyre signings (so far)

Dempster project

Williamson project

 

Poor Moves:

 

Bynum Trade

Pierre Trade

Jock Signing

Rusch Re-Signing

Perez Signing

Perez Re-Signing

Letting Clement get away

Sosa trade

Farnsworth Trade

Patterson Trade

Juan Cruz trade

 

 

Wash:

Dubois for Gerut for Lawton

Miller (right now - not able to evaluate)

[abuck1220]

 

We'll, they did screw up in not recognizing Dubois wasn't wasn't very good and trading him earlier when he had more value. As far as where things were when they did trade him, I don't think there was any point to keeping him around. Had he stayed with us, Murton may have never gotten his shot last year.

 

yeah, thank goodness for that!

 

dubois' OPS w/ the cubs: .761

murton's OPS this year: .712

[badger1679666666]

 

We'll, they did screw up in not recognizing Dubois wasn't wasn't very good and trading him earlier when he had more value. As far as where things were when they did trade him, I don't think there was any point to keeping him around. Had he stayed with us, Murton may have never gotten his shot last year.

 

yeah, thank goodness for that!

 

dubois' OPS w/ the cubs: .761

murton's OPS this year: .712

 

Come on dude, you and I both know Murton is going to be an all around MUCH better player than Dubois. Dubois is AAAA. That's it.

 

Murton is a much better hitter with a much better eye, with a little less power that will develop in time.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dubois will have a nice, unremarkable career as a DH. Murton, if he's salvaged by some coaches who aren't morons, has the potential to be an excellent and varied offensive threat.

 

Man, anyone else see history repeating itself with Hill? Like Dubois, another guy Hendry could have scored HUGE on if dealt, yet both are proving to be spectacuarly unremarkable as time goes on. How can a GM be SO unaware of these things?

[abuck1220]

 

We'll, they did screw up in not recognizing Dubois wasn't wasn't very good and trading him earlier when he had more value. As far as where things were when they did trade him, I don't think there was any point to keeping him around. Had he stayed with us, Murton may have never gotten his shot last year.

 

yeah, thank goodness for that!

 

dubois' OPS w/ the cubs: .761

murton's OPS this year: .712

 

Come on dude, you and I both know Murton is going to be an all around MUCH better player than Dubois. Dubois is AAAA. That's it.

 

Murton is a much better hitter with a much better eye, with a little less power that will develop in time.

 

says who? i hope i'm wrong, but i'm not nearly as infatuated w/ murton as everyone else seems to be. i like his eye a lot, but dude needs to add a little pop...his high average has been driven by bloop/infield hits for quite a while now.

 

don't get me wrong, though, it's not like i want him sent to AAA or anything. might as well see what he can do.

[Sammy Sofa]

Streght, IMO, is something easier to build up and use over time than having to pretty much readjust how you hit the ball altogether. Murton I think has shown he has it in him...he's a perfect candidate to pair up with a good hitting coach and be molded into a very good all around hitter. Dubois was pretty much just power, and even that was pretty spotty.

[srbin84]

Dubois is basically Restovich with worse defense. Murton is a good all around and younger.

[abuck1220]

i'm not saying i'd trade murton for dubois, but it's funny how murton is so loved around here while everyone kinda hates doobs.

[goonys evil twin]

Dubois is basically Restovich with worse defense. Murton is a good all around and younger.

 

Why is Murton good all-around? He's got a decent eye and acceptable OBP. But he's got no power, no special speed, nor does he have anything special with the glove.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't hate Dubois...I just think he was massively overrated by the Cubs and it bit them in the butt when it came time to deal. On the flipside, I think Murton is tremendously overrated here...but I think he'll have a better all-around career than Dubois.

[abuck1220]

Dubois will have a nice, unremarkable career as a DH. Murton, if he's salvaged by some coaches who aren't morons, has the potential to be an excellent and varied offensive threat.

 

Man, anyone else see history repeating itself with Hill? Like Dubois, another guy Hendry could have scored HUGE on if dealt, yet both are proving to be spectacuarly unremarkable as time goes on. How can a GM be SO unaware of these things?

 

same thing could be said for murton. his value was sky high at the end of '05.

[beowulf28]

This is such a ridiculous question. Name one trade where Hendry didn't get the right players.

 

Farnsworth for Novoa & Moore.

Patterson for whoever we got.

Nolasco, Pinto and Mitre for Pierre.

Koronka for Freddie Bynum.

 

Take away the Farnsworth and Patterson deals (we needed to get rid of them for their own sakes' as well as ours), and you're correct.

 

However, we can't forget Derrek Lee. He was well worth Hee Seop Choi and whoever else we gave up for him. And then there's Aramis...although he really hasn't done much this year.

 

Actually, I don't think I can trust Hendry and MacPhail to get the right young players since they haven't done a very good job lately.

[srbin84]

Dubois is basically Restovich with worse defense. Murton is a good all around and younger.

 

Why is Murton good all-around? He's got a decent eye and acceptable OBP. But he's got no power, no special speed, nor does he have anything special with the glove.

 

He's been doing pretty well with everything except power since he was brought up. He skipped AAA too. There is a lot of reason to believe he will keep improving.

[goonys evil twin]

Dubois is basically Restovich with worse defense. Murton is a good all around and younger.

 

Why is Murton good all-around? He's got a decent eye and acceptable OBP. But he's got no power, no special speed, nor does he have anything special with the glove.

 

He's been doing pretty well with everything except power since he was brought up. He skipped AAA too. There is a lot of reason to believe he will keep improving.

 

I think he'll keep improving, but he's nowhere close to good overall right now. He's the type of guy you could easily fit into a good lineup, but with a lineup like this you have to platoon him to maximize production.

[beowulf28]

i'm not saying i'd trade murton for dubois, but it's funny how murton is so loved around here while everyone kinda hates doobs.

 

I don't understand all the infatuation with Dubois. What was so great about him? Maybe it's my frustration, but with all of our failures, I'm not sure that our farm system is very good. But I've also lost all my confidence in MacPhail/Hendry, etc,...

[Derwood]

i'm not saying i'd trade murton for dubois, but it's funny how murton is so loved around here while everyone kinda hates doobs.

 

I don't understand all the infatuation with Dubois. What was so great about him? Maybe it's my frustration, but with all of our failures, I'm not sure that our farm system is very good. But I've also lost all my confidence in MacPhail/Hendry, etc,...

 

he had a pretty remarkable year production/power-wise in 2004 (AAA) and was consistent enough through his minor league career that people thought he could successfully transition to the majors

[goonys evil twin]

i'm not saying i'd trade murton for dubois, but it's funny how murton is so loved around here while everyone kinda hates doobs.

 

I don't understand all the infatuation with Dubois. What was so great about him? Maybe it's my frustration, but with all of our failures, I'm not sure that our farm system is very good. But I've also lost all my confidence in MacPhail/Hendry, etc,...

 

Where was there a sign of infatuation with Dubois in that post? And who said he was great? He was a servicable RH bat with pop. I never wanted him starting on the Cubs unless they had a very good lineup around him. At the minimum salary his type of bat could be helpful for a team like this, with absolutely no threat of power.