Ozzie fires back on Rich Hill

[JWD]

43.0 IP, 0-6, 9.21 ERA, 44 ER, 32 BB, 32 SO

 

I don't think it's out of line to say he sucks.

[CubfaninCA]

Should Ozzie shut-up too since his career OPS+ was a mere 69. Seems to be if being good in baseball is a pre-requisite for talking about it, Ozzie has said more than he's allowed.

 

So, I wonder how many managers Ozzie got fired with his poor play?

 

ozzie managed his team to a world series.

[srbin84]

43.0 IP, 0-6, 9.21 ERA, 44 ER, 32 BB, 32 SO

 

I don't think it's out of line to say he sucks.

 

Yeah Rich Hill, very comparable to Koufax....if he came out of retirement and pitched this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

Should Ozzie shut-up too since his career OPS+ was a mere 69. Seems to be if being good in baseball is a pre-requisite for talking about it, Ozzie has said more than he's allowed.

 

So, I wonder how many managers Ozzie got fired with his poor play?

 

ozzie managed his team to a world series.

 

Ozzie ran his mouth a long time before he won a world series.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Should Ozzie shut-up too since his career OPS+ was a mere 69. Seems to be if being good in baseball is a pre-requisite for talking about it, Ozzie has said more than he's allowed.

 

So, I wonder how many managers Ozzie got fired with his poor play?

 

ozzie managed his team to a world series.

 

Maybe Rich Hill will when he finishes his playing career. I bet if we go back through the press clippings we'll find that Ozzie didn't wait until he achieved that little fait accompli before he ran his mouth.

[Soul]

Should Ozzie shut-up too since his career OPS+ was a mere 69. Seems to be if being good in baseball is a pre-requisite for talking about it, Ozzie has said more than he's allowed.

 

So, I wonder how many managers Ozzie got fired with his poor play?

 

ozzie managed his team to a world series.

 

Maybe Rich Hill will when he finishes his playing career. I bet if we go back through the press clippings we'll find that Ozzie didn't wait until he achieved that little fait accompli before he ran his mouth.

 

Probably not. But Hill has done absolutely nothing. He should shut up. Forget what Ozzie does with himself.

[Sammy Sofa]

Like it or not, there's a pecking order in this kind of environment. If you're a scrub rookie who hasn't done a damn thing as a major league pitcher, defer to the manager or the guys involved to talk about what happened. Is it right? No, but hey, that's life. If you've been around a while or show you can get things done, you get more slack. That's true in a number of aspects with this game. Hill has absolutely zero to stand on if he wants to fire off like that. That's just how it is.

[Monco]

What Hill and Barrett said about not having the ball was stupid. The ball was a few feet away ,AJ is running full speed and Barretts blocking the plate. Is he supposed to slide or wait for Barrett to catch the ball before hitting him. If Barrett or anyone else was in that situation they would be expected to do the same thing. If its a close play and the catchers blocking the plate, take him out!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hill was the pitcher of record during that game. I think his comments on the matter would be just as revelent as anyone else's.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, notwithstanding, his performance notwithstanding, Hill has as much right as Ozzie to comment on the play.

[Sammy Sofa]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

[srbin84]

Hill was the pitcher of record during that game. I think his comments on the matter would be just as revelent as anyone else's.

 

Whether you agree with him or not, notwithstanding, his performance notwithstanding, Hill has as much right as Ozzie to comment on the play.

 

He has a right to comment but he doesn't have a right to call out an established veteran and make a false claim at that. He deserves what he got from Ozzie, and I am glad Ozzie put Hill in his place. Hill is a headcase, and he needed it.

[Monco]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

[Soul]

Of course Hill has the right to comment. But for his own sake, he shouldn't have. Ozzie pretty much owned him in his response, and then the kid was sent down.

 

One day he's a major leaguer. The next he's slammed into the mud by a World Champion manager and sent packing. PWNED.

 

I don't like seeing that from my team. It makes us look stupid.

Edited May 21, 2006 by Soul

[CubinNY]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

[Soul]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Any time someone stands up to a cheater it's a good thing.

[CubinNY]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Any time someone stands up to a cheater it's a good thing.

 

No. What is happening in this thread is hypocricy at its finest.

 

If Hill were 4-0 with a respectable ERA I suspect some of the opinions in this thread would change.

 

I don't like what Barrett did, but I think Hill was trying to defend a teammate. Since when is that a bad thing? Oh, yeah when the player is playing well. Go figure.

[Sammy Sofa]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Well, for one, Zambrano and Prior never sucked as hideously as Hill has for as long as he as at the ML level. Prior especially looked like a superstar almost out of the gate. Carlos eased into it, but comparing them to Hill is absurd. Hill is new and he's awful. In a game like this, you're going to get eaten alive if you run your mouth, and he did. He has nothing fall back on in a battle like that, so the smart thing to do is shut up. It's not like Ozzie went after him...Hill slammed his player and Ozzie got pissed at the scrub doing it, and Hill thusly got PWNED.

[CubinNY]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Well, for one, Zambrano and Prior never sucked as hideously as Hill has for as long as he as at the ML level. Prior especially looked like a superstar almost out of the gate. Carlos eased into it, but comparing them to Hill is absurd. Hill is new and he's awful. In a game like this, you're going to get eaten alive if you run your mouth, and he did. He has nothing fall back on in a battle like that, so the smart thing to do is shut up. It's not like Ozzie went after him...Hill slammed his player and Ozzie got pissed at the scrub doing it, and Hill thusly got PWNED.

 

So if Hill were playing well it wouldn't be a problem?

 

It is to laugh.

[Sammy Sofa]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Any time someone stands up to a cheater it's a good thing.

 

No. What is happening in this thread is hypocricy at its finest.

 

If Hill were 4-0 with a respectable ERA I suspect some of the opinions in this thread would change.

 

I don't like what Barrett did, but I think Hill was trying to defend a teammate. Since when is that a bad thing? Oh, yeah when the player is playing well. Go figure.

 

Good Lord, most of us are just saying this is how it works in pro baseball. Doesn't make it right...that's just how it is! The crappy rookie ran his mouth off and paid the price! If he didn't suck, opinions and responses would be different EVERYWHERE. That's how it works in the big leagues, period. It's nothing new.

[srbin84]

 

No. What is happening in this thread is hypocricy at its finest.

 

If Hill were 4-0 with a respectable ERA I suspect some of the opinions in this thread would change.

 

I don't like what Barrett did, but I think Hill was trying to defend a teammate. Since when is that a bad thing? Oh, yeah when the player is playing well. Go figure.

 

I'm sorry, but if a guy says he pitches like Sandy Koufax before even pitching a major league inning, then follows it up with this:

 

43.0 IP, 0-6, 9.21 ERA, 44 ER, 32 BB, 32 SO

 

Then calls out a veteran and is actually completely wrong about his interpretation of the rule by saying this:

 

"I think it was pretty gutless on their part—him hitting Michael when he didn't even have the ball," Hill said. "That's not how you play the game. If he had the ball and he hits him, that's fine, that's how you play it. But you don't go around just running over catchers. What if he injured him and he didn't have the ball? That's not the way you play the game. … It was pathetic."

 

 

He is a headcase and got off light by what Ozzie said.

[Soul]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Any time someone stands up to a cheater it's a good thing.

 

No. What is happening in this thread is hypocricy at its finest.

 

If Hill were 4-0 with a respectable ERA I suspect some of the opinions in this thread would change.

 

I don't like what Barrett did, but I think Hill was trying to defend a teammate. Since when is that a bad thing? Oh, yeah when the player is playing well. Go figure.

 

It's a bad thing when you're a rookie who sucks bones, and you call an established veteran a dirty player. That's when. Especially when Barrett himself admitted it was a clean play.

 

No hypocrisy here. Hill should shut up. And learn how to pitch.

[CubinNY]

 

 

He is a headcase and got off light by what Ozzie said.

 

So not only are you a master mathmatician but also a liscened psychologist too.

[Sammy Sofa]

In a sane world, that's true.

 

But this is MLB.

 

That's just how it is.

 

Its like that other places too.Some people feel if you haven't been " on the job" long enough you do not have a right to an opinion.

 

But for some strange reason it was ok for both Prior and Zambrano to stand up to Bonds?

 

I mean afterall he is an established player and they weren't at the time.

 

Oh that's right, nobody likes Bonds so it was ok.

 

Well, for one, Zambrano and Prior never sucked as hideously as Hill has for as long as he as at the ML level. Prior especially looked like a superstar almost out of the gate. Carlos eased into it, but comparing them to Hill is absurd. Hill is new and he's awful. In a game like this, you're going to get eaten alive if you run your mouth, and he did. He has nothing fall back on in a battle like that, so the smart thing to do is shut up. It's not like Ozzie went after him...Hill slammed his player and Ozzie got pissed at the scrub doing it, and Hill thusly got PWNED.

 

So if Hill were playing well it wouldn't be a problem?

 

It is to laugh.

 

Honestly? Yes! Do you think Ozzie would have said the same thing if Hill wasn't so terrible? Or even said anything at all? Based on how things have worked in pro baseball pretty much since its inception, and in most other lines of work, if you're new and you suck HARD, you keep your mouth shut and fly low. It's crappy, but that's the way it is. You have to prove yourself before people aren't going to smack you down.

[srbin84]

 

 

He is a headcase and got off light by what Ozzie said.

 

So not only are you a master mathmatician but also a liscened psychologist too.

 

No, I just have a sense of hearing. When you say you pitch like Koufax, and follow it up by going 0-6 with about a 10 ERA, you are a tool. That's not even counting what was said yesterday.

[Sammy Sofa]

I know we're beating a herd of dead horses into the ground at this point, but this is the most simple way I can put this...

 

Should Hill be able to say what he said? Of course. But in the world of the MLB, how the pecking order and social environment has existed for over a century, did he do something stupid and get exactly what he deserved, IN AND ONLY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE WORLD OF THE MLB?

 

Yes.