Ozzie fires back on Rich Hill

[Sammy Sofa]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

It's really convenient to toss that out and then not mention how many runs he's given up in his games pitched this season. Hell, last season, too. Obviously, the offense is letting guys down, but Hill on the mound typically means you need 5-6 runs just to keep it close, almost every single time. He's a useless sack of meat.

 

Greg Maddux:

 

SEASON 	TEAM G 	 GS CG SHO IP    H   R 	  ER  HR BB SO 	 W  L 	ERA
1986 	ChC  6 	 5  1 	0  31.0  44  20   19  3  11 20 	 2  4  	5.52
1987 	ChC  30  27 1 	0  156.2 181 111  97  17 74 101  6  14 	5.61

 

He turned out ok.

 

Rich Hill will be lucky to end this or any other season with an ERA under 7.

 

Comparing Rich Hill to Maddux is appalling.

[sonicdethmonkey0]

ozzie guillen for cubs manager

[Banedon]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

It's really convenient to toss that out and then not mention how many runs he's given up in his games pitched this season. Hell, last season, too. Obviously, the offense is letting guys down, but Hill on the mound typically means you need 5-6 runs just to keep it close, almost every single time. He's a useless sack of meat.

 

Greg Maddux:

 

SEASON 	TEAM G 	 GS CG SHO IP    H   R 	  ER  HR BB SO 	 W  L 	ERA
1986 	ChC  6 	 5  1 	0  31.0  44  20   19  3  11 20 	 2  4  	5.52
1987 	ChC  30  27 1 	0  156.2 181 111  97  17 74 101  6  14 	5.61

 

He turned out ok.

 

Rich Hill will be lucky to end this or any other season with an ERA under 7.

 

Comparing Rich Hill to Maddux is appalling.

 

I'm not saying Hill will be Maddux. I'm saying it's too early to judge that he's a "useless sack of meat".

[A New Era]

Link to the article please? I call BS. Doesn't sound like something a player or manager would say.

 

After the game Hill was asked about it from the fox people he just said it's unfortunate.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Link to the article please? I call BS. Doesn't sound like something a player or manager would say.

 

Have you ever seen Ozzie quoted? After they lost to Tampa Bay on Thursday and was asked about the upcoming series, his response was "[screw] the Cubs". Front page of the Tribune sports section.

[Sammy Sofa]

Rich Hill will be worse then Glendon Rusch as a major league pitcher throughout his failed major league career if he continues to be put in the starting rotation on this or any other team.

[Banedon]

Link to the article please? I call BS. Doesn't sound like something a player or manager would say.

 

After the game Hill was asked about it from the fox people he just said it's unfortunate.

 

I've seen the quote from Hill in several places already. This is the first I've seen the Guillen quote, but I don't doubt he said it. Totally sounds like him.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Rich Hill will be worse then Glendon Rusch as a major league pitcher throughout his failed major league career if he continues to be put in the starting rotation on this or any other team.

 

If Zambrano starts your in trouble.

[Monco]

Link to the article please? I call BS. Doesn't sound like something a player or manager would say.

 

Have you ever seen Ozzie quoted? After they lost to Tampa Bay on Thursday and was asked about the upcoming series, his response was "[screw] the Cubs". Front page of the Tribune sports section.

Is there a reason he should have been concerned about facing the Cubs?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Link to the article please? I call BS. Doesn't sound like something a player or manager would say.

 

Have you ever seen Ozzie quoted? After they lost to Tampa Bay on Thursday and was asked about the upcoming series, his response was "[screw] the Cubs". Front page of the Tribune sports section.

Is there a reason he should have been concerned about facing the Cubs?

 

Probably not, but it doesn't change the fact that Ozzie says whatever bounces through his mind, without thought to profanity or tact.

[Fred Hornkohl]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

Here's another fun fact..... if the CUBS had scored 5 runs in every game that Hill pitched........ his record would be...... let's see....... uh....... 0-4 !!

 

The boy is overmatched and he's just not ready for this level of competition yet. Rich Hill would still be a problem, even if the offense were not.

 

Gm#    Date       Opponent         Score  Starter
27  Thu 05/04  @ Arizona       N   0- 6  Hill        
32  Tue 05/09  @ San Francisco N   1- 6  Hill        
37  Sun 05/14    San Diego         0- 9  Hill        
42  Sat 05/20  @ Chicago (AL)      0- 7  Hill        

 

 

Hill                    IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
05/04  vs. Ariz        4.0    6    5    5    2    1    2    67  4.50  2.25  4.50  2.00 11.25
05/09  vs. S.F.        6.0    8    5    5    3    4    1   100  4.50  6.00  1.50  1.83  7.50
05/14  vs. S.D.        5.3    4    3    3    5    4    0    90  8.44  6.75  0.00  1.69  5.06
05/20  vs. CWS         4.0    5    7    7    5    2    2    87 11.25  4.50  4.50  2.50 15.75

season totals         19.3   23   20   20   15   11    5   344  6.98  5.12  2.33  1.97  9.31

[Monco]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

Here's another fun fact..... if the CUBS had scored 5 runs in every game that Hill pitched........ his record would be...... let's see....... uh....... 0-4 !!

 

The boy is overmatched and he's just not ready for this level of competition yet. Rich Hill would still be a problem, even if the offense were not.

 

Gm#    Date       Opponent         Score  Starter
27  Thu 05/04  @ Arizona       N   0- 6  Hill        
32  Tue 05/09  @ San Francisco N   1- 6  Hill        
37  Sun 05/14    San Diego         0- 9  Hill        
42  Sat 05/20  @ Chicago (AL)      0- 7  Hill        

 

 

Hill                    IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
05/04  vs. Ariz        4.0    6    5    5    2    1    2    67  4.50  2.25  4.50  2.00 11.25
05/09  vs. S.F.        6.0    8    5    5    3    4    1   100  4.50  6.00  1.50  1.83  7.50
05/14  vs. S.D.        5.3    4    3    3    5    4    0    90  8.44  6.75  0.00  1.69  5.06
05/20  vs. CWS         4.0    5    7    7    5    2    2    87 11.25  4.50  4.50  2.50 15.75

season totals         19.3   23   20   20   15   11    5   344  6.98  5.12  2.33  1.97  9.31

26 years old and not ready.By the time hes ready it will be time to retire. I didn't see todays game but in his other starts he seems to be throwing alot of fastballs and very few curves.

[radarluv1]

wow, people are rough on hill today. you'd think he lost all 25 games this year.

 

I'd settle for seeing him win one.

 

here's a fun fact...how many runs have the cubs scored in hill's four losses?

 

1 (that's combined)

 

pretty sure it wouldn't matter much if hill had an era of 8 or 1...the offense is the problem, not rich hill.

 

It's really convenient to toss that out and then not mention how many runs he's given up in his games pitched this season. Hell, last season, too. Obviously, the offense is letting guys down, but Hill on the mound typically means you need 5-6 runs just to keep it close, almost every single time. He's a useless sack of meat.

 

Greg Maddux:

 

SEASON 	TEAM G 	 GS CG SHO  IP    H   R 	  ER  HR BB SO 	 W  L  ERA
1986 	  ChC  6 	 5  1 	0  31.0  44  20     19  3  11 20 	 2  4  5.52
1987 	  ChC  30    27 1 	0  156.2 181 111    97  17 74 101    6  14 5.61

 

He turned out ok.

 

ok. so dont give rich away for nothing. but to be fair, maddux was quite a bit younger then than rich is now

[Flames24Rulz]

Fred's stats, as usual, back it up. Like I have said in other threads..I like the kid a lot and hope he succeeds. However, he only has one real good pitch and his ceiling will be a middle of the rotation guy. It is pretty pathetic how this guy was an "untouchable." Most of us last year realized that all he could be was a 3rd starter at best. We just love to overvalue our guys.

 

the problem is once he's demoted, he'll tear it up in AAA yet again and then when he comes back in September or whenever, he's going to get rocked. Problem is if he's traded, he's going to become one of the best pitchers in the game. That's how it always seems to go with us.

[Outshined_One]

LOOGY ahoy!

[soccer10k]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from?

[CubfaninCA]

It's not wise to talk smack after you give up a grand slam a few hitters later, and basically get your butt handed to you.

[Fro]

Dusty needs to be fired if he doesn't start a beanball war tommorrow after AJ Palphabetsoup and Ozzie's comments after the game.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It's not wise to talk smack after you give up a grand slam a few hitters later, and basically get your butt handed to you.

 

Yes, Hill was clearly talking trash.

[soccer10k]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from?

 

Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread.

[Andy]

Poll question: Who is/was worse? Rich Hill the MLB pitcher, or Ozzie Guillen the MLB hitter?

Guillen was on that RCAA list with Neifi as one of the worst ever, so Ozzie by an eyelash.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from?

 

Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread.

 

We don't know the question he was asked. The point is, he was obviously asked about the incident, and claiming that he shouldn't comment on it just because he got hit hard is ridiculous.

[soccer10k]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from?

 

Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread.

 

We don't know the question he was asked. The point is, he was obviously asked about the incident, and claiming that he shouldn't comment on it just because he got hit hard is ridiculous.

 

I didn't say he shouldn't comment because he got hit hard today. I meant that he shouldn't comment because he's been hit hard his whole, albeit short career. Hill was basically talking trash to Pierzynski which I don't think is right considering he's basically a rookie. He's the last person who should be talking trash. The fact that he was 10-20 feet from the play doesn't matter at all because Hill didn't offer any extra insight into the situation. To sum up Hill's quote: Pierzynski is bush league. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have said anything, but there is no reason to talk trash to the opposing team who, by the way, has just handily defeated your team two days in a row.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm going to have to agree with Guillen on this one because he hit it right on the head. Until Rich Hill does ANYTHING in the majors, he's not the right person to talk. Obviously Guillen didn't say it in the nicest of ways, but that isn't the point. Rich Hill is still a rookie. If he was a veteran, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the guy hasn't even won a game at the major league level yet. I like the enthusiasm out of Hill and I hope he does well in the majors - hopefully for the Cubs - but that doesn't change the fact that he should have kept his mouth shut.

 

So he shouldn't be allowed to comment(read: Answer a pointed question) on the situation, which happened while he was pitching and he was about 10-20 feet away from?

 

Just curious, how do you know what question he was asked? I'm not debating you, but if there is information you know that I don't, I would sure like to read it before arguing with you. I based by argument on what was posted at the beginning of the thread.

 

We don't know the question he was asked. The point is, he was obviously asked about the incident, and claiming that he shouldn't comment on it just because he got hit hard is ridiculous.

 

I didn't say he shouldn't comment because he got hit hard today. I meant that he shouldn't comment because he's been hit hard his whole, albeit short career. Hill was basically talking trash to Pierzynski which I don't think is right considering he's basically a rookie. He's the last person who should be talking trash. The fact that he was 10-20 feet from the play doesn't matter at all because Hill didn't offer any extra insight into the situation. To sum up Hill's quote: Pierzynski is bush league. I'm not saying that he shouldn't have said anything, but there is no reason to talk trash to the opposing team who, by the way, has just handily defeated your team two days in a row.

 

You seriously think that's trash talking?