Where are the Haters? Jones Breaking Out.

[abuck1220]

Sunny,

 

Earlier you were tooting Pierre's horn. Do you have his numbers up to date?

 

i do, and i am waiting.

 

have said all along that Pierre is his own worst enemy and DLee got in his head and freaked him out. He will be joining us soon though.

 

Can you do me a favor and hold off posting Jones's numbers until you're ready to post Pierre's as well?

 

let's just wait until he has a good four game stretch. and it will be in a new 'told ya so' thread.

[stitchface]

if you want a positive thread, why not post "Jones doing much better" or "Jones ripping righties" instead of one that calls out other posters? Wouldn't that be more positive?

[abuck1220]

also, what's the point of starting a thread to 'show' people they were wrong? do you want people to do it to you next week when jones sucks again?

 

no, just fair and balanced reporting.

 

all of this negativity is bringing me down and bumming me out. Those who know and remember me from posting know i can be pretty negative, but it is getting way out of hand on this site.

 

I mean we had a freaking poll started yesterday on Dempster's role as closer after he blows a Save for the first time in recent memory.

 

If someone is doing their expected job (regardless if you are happy with them being there) or doing a good job, we need to post that and give them an atta boy every once in a while. Otherwise we end up looking like a strung-out bunch of lunatics.

 

quoting fox news to show your good intentions isn't really convincing.

[sunnydoo]

if you want a positive thread, why not post "Jones doing much better" or "Jones ripping righties" instead of one that calls out other posters? Wouldn't that be more positive?

 

no, not after 20+ pages of anti-Jones sentiment. i need blood in the water.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

if you want a positive thread, why not post "Jones doing much better" or "Jones ripping righties" instead of one that calls out other posters? Wouldn't that be more positive?

 

no, not after 20+ pages of anti-Jones sentiment. i need blood in the water.

 

Does that mean I can call you out on saying Pierre will do fine until he does?

[soccer10k]

And as far I can tell the only hater is the guy who started this thread hating on other fans.

 

Well, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

But i am not hating. I just said in the earlier 20+ pg hatefest that Jones needs a fair shake and pointed to the Boston-Renteria disaster last season.

 

Sometimes it just takes a player 1 month to adjust to the league. One of those crazy things.

 

But we do need to get more positive posting going in here. Need to find some diamonds in this rough.

So your thoughts about letting Ramirez, a superior hitter (and possibly better defensively so far), leave after his April were justified and shouldn't be called out later on?

 

If Jones keeps up those splits against righties, I think we'll need to call Ripley's.

 

Are Jacque's splits against righties going to go down? Yes. But his splits against lefties are going to go up. He's not going to end the year hitting .056 against lefties if he plays the whole year

 

2006: .273/.311/.495/.806

2003-2005: .268/.322/.443/.765

 

With the exception of the slugging, he's giving us exactly what we should have expected out of him. I'm NOT saying that it was a good signing, I'm just saying that what Jones has done this year shouldn't be a surprise.

[sunnydoo]

i need rocket here to remind me about Alex Sanchez.

[soccer10k]

you really don't get it do you? Jones was a bad signing. What he does this week or next week, or last week makes no difference. He is not a good player. He does not provide what the Cubs need to win. We are stuck watching him for another two years after this one. I don't care if he hits four homers tomorrow - I don't want him on the Cubs. And as far I can tell the only hater is the guy who started this thread hating on other fans.

 

I think that's the key. If we signed him to a one year deal I think most people on the board would say "he sucks, but at least he'll be gone after this year." Most of the complaining, and rightfully so, is due to the fact that we signed him for three years. I'm not saying that it would have been a good signing if we only gave him a 1 year deal, but it would be nowhere near as bad of a deal.

[stitchface]

i need rocket here to remind me about Alex Sanchez.

 

wasn't he on 'roids?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

i need rocket here to remind me about Alex Sanchez.

 

wasn't he on 'roids?

 

and he still sucked....even roids couldn't make Sanchez a decent player.

[sunnydoo]

wasn't he on 'roids?

 

ya, among other things. he has had one heck of a tough life, and i hope he catches a break soon.

 

Got called up to Louisville last week, so its only a matter of time until he gets back to the Show once Griffey goes down again.

[soccer10k]

if you want a positive thread, why not post "Jones doing much better" or "Jones ripping righties" instead of one that calls out other posters? Wouldn't that be more positive?

 

no, not after 20+ pages of anti-Jones sentiment. i need blood in the water.

 

And that's where the problem lies. This isn't a positive Jones thread. This is an I told you so whether you meant it or not. Start a "Positive Jacque Jones" thread if you want to, because this surely isn't one.

[sunnydoo]

And that's where the problem lies. This isn't a positive Jones thread. This is an I told you so whether you meant it or not. Start a "Positive Jacque Jones" thread if you want to, because this surely isn't one.

 

but it is a positive Jones thread. I mean he is better than average for the NL. that was the whole point and people are still mad. i just dont get it.

[stitchface]

And that's where the problem lies. This isn't a positive Jones thread. This is an I told you so whether you meant it or not. Start a "Positive Jacque Jones" thread if you want to, because this surely isn't one.

 

but it is a positive Jones thread. I mean he is better than average for the NL. that was the whole point and people are still mad. i just dont get it.

 

Did you actually calc the average? Seems to me you said he was better than median, not better than average. and why should we ignore his numbers against lefties when evaluating him?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

And that's where the problem lies. This isn't a positive Jones thread. This is an I told you so whether you meant it or not. Start a "Positive Jacque Jones" thread if you want to, because this surely isn't one.

 

but it is a positive Jones thread. I mean he is better than average for the NL. that was the whole point and people are still mad. i just dont get it.

 

If he never sees a LH pitcher, he'll do fine. But just as you, and I for that matter, expect Pierre's numbers to be remarkably different by season's end, I also expect that Jones will be worse than average by season's end.

 

If he sits against lefties, he could be an assett. Right now that isn't happening, and I expect that Jones will end the season as a below average RF. That's not hate against Jones; it is what it is, a realistic expectation of what he's going to produce.

[soccer10k]

And that's where the problem lies. This isn't a positive Jones thread. This is an I told you so whether you meant it or not. Start a "Positive Jacque Jones" thread if you want to, because this surely isn't one.

 

but it is a positive Jones thread. I mean he is better than average for the NL. that was the whole point and people are still mad. i just dont get it.

 

I'm not debating you on Jacque's numbers. I'm all for a postive thread. But my point is made with the title of the thread. How is anybody going to know that this is a positive Jacque Jones thread by looking at the title. You can't even tell it's about Jones unless you actually read the thread.

[sunnydoo]

Did you actually calc the average? Seems to me you said he was better than median, not better than average. and why should we ignore his numbers against lefties when evaluating him?

 

i did. it is .795 of those qualified. interestingly enough, Mr Burnitz is dead last.

[sunnydoo]

I'm not debating you on Jacque's numbers. I'm all for a postive thread. But my point is made with the title of the thread. How is anybody going to know that this is a positive Jacque Jones thread by looking at the title. You can't even tell it's about Jones unless you actually read the thread.

 

fixed.

[neely crenshaw]

let's be real...he has had a good stretch.

 

why don't we wait and see what he does before he becomes hendry's great signing.

burnitz was on a pace to hit 40+. drive in 100 and hit close to .300...in the end he returned to being jeromy burnitz and hit 258, with 25 jacks and 80 ribs..

 

problems= we have jones for 3 years which will either keep pie out, cost us murton to make room for pie or make dusty(or whoever) play pie in center and to leadoff. which could repeat cpatt.

 

he runs bases like crap, throws like crap and can't hit lefties.

finally he has hit a serious hot streak and he is hitting .275! he is our stud production outfielder and i am supposed to jump up and down for a number 5 hitter who is on pace to hit 275 with 24 jacks....wow!

 

no one hates jones...i still tink he will post the numbers of the last 2-3 years and hit 260 with 20+jacks. we all hate the fact that hendry signed him for 3 years and 6 mil! if we had done a 1 year deal then i would be fine with it and it would be a decent gamble

[stitchface]

I'm not debating you on Jacque's numbers. I'm all for a postive thread. But my point is made with the title of the thread. How is anybody going to know that this is a positive Jacque Jones thread by looking at the title. You can't even tell it's about Jones unless you actually read the thread.

 

fixed.

 

sounds like he's developing acne.

[Jon]

Are Jacque's splits against righties going to go down? Yes. But his splits against lefties are going to go up. He's not going to end the year hitting .056 against lefties if he plays the whole year

 

2006: .273/.311/.495/.806

2003-2005: .268/.322/.443/.765

 

With the exception of the slugging, he's giving us exactly what we should have expected out of him. I'm NOT saying that it was a good signing, I'm just saying that what Jones has done this year shouldn't be a surprise.

His 2004-2005 numbers are significantly worse than his 2003 stats, though. If the two go to his splits of the past couple of seasons, he'll have another bad season.

[1908]

Sure got quiet in Jacque Jones world all of the sudden.

 

Now hitting close to 275 and has the 2nd highest OPS of his entire career going at 806. That is good enough for 7th in OPS for RF in the NL with those qualified.

 

Yet there are crickets chirping here. So where you be?

 

Let me hear ya.

Are you seriously crowing about a .806 OPS out of RF? Yet another reminder of how much the Cubs' offense sucks.

 

And why are you comparing Jones against qualified right fielders when he doesn't have enough PA's to qualify?

[soccer10k]

Are Jacque's splits against righties going to go down? Yes. But his splits against lefties are going to go up. He's not going to end the year hitting .056 against lefties if he plays the whole year

 

2006: .273/.311/.495/.806

2003-2005: .268/.322/.443/.765

 

With the exception of the slugging, he's giving us exactly what we should have expected out of him. I'm NOT saying that it was a good signing, I'm just saying that what Jones has done this year shouldn't be a surprise.

His 2004-2005 numbers are significantly worse than his 2003 stats, though. If the two go to his splits of the past couple of seasons, he'll have another bad season.

 

That's an excellent point. I don't have the numbers but just from looking at his year by year stats you are correct.

[CubfaninCA]

if it's wait and see on whether jones keeps it up, then the same should apply to pierre.

[sunnydoo]

Are you seriously crowing about a .806 OPS out of RF? Yet another reminder of how much the Cubs' offense sucks.

 

And why are you comparing Jones against qualified right fielders when he doesn't have enough PA's to qualify?

 

Like I said he would be #7 in the league, which is better than avg and the median.

 

And he is only 10 ABs from qualifying which he would have had the last couple of days except for his groin.