Willis available at deadline?

[Backtobanks]

Foxsports says that it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Willis will be traded by the deadline. The article mentions the Cubs by saying they could offer a package starting with Pie. Pie, Guzman/Hill, plus Novoa for Willis?

[Electron Blue]

Our offer should start with Clement and Alfonseca.

[Guest]

Foxsports says that it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Willis will be traded by the deadline. The article mentions the Cubs by saying they could offer a package starting with Pie. Pie, Guzman/Hill, plus Novoa for Willis?

I'd really much rather make a play for Cabrera.

[Backtobanks]

Foxsports says that it seems to be a foregone conclusion that Willis will be traded by the deadline. The article mentions the Cubs by saying they could offer a package starting with Pie. Pie, Guzman/Hill, plus Novoa for Willis?

I'd really much rather make a play for Cabrera.

 

I would rather go after Cabrera too, but if they're both going to be traded, I would hope we would get one of them.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is it possible we could get a middle infielder in the deal too?

[badgercub]

Let's wait and see how Prior, Wood, and Miller come back. I can just see the Cubs giving up some of their best prospects to get Willis and then in his first start with the Cubs his arm falls off. Don't we have enough problems with pitchers with bad mechanics? While Willis is good I think I would pass on him and hope for the best with the group of young pitchers that are coming up right now in Marshall, Hill, Guzman, etc....

[CuseCubFan69]

I just have this funny feeling Willis is not going to be healthy pitcher within the next couple of years. I would rather the Cubs invest in Miggy.

[rjchapma]

I do it in a second for either one of them. We need both desperately. I know they say that Prior and Wood will be back, but its a forgone conclusion that one of them will get reinjured. My pick Wood he will never be healthy for a full season. So Willis, Zambrano, Prior hopefully healthy, Maddux, and Miller Wow does that rotation look nice then.

[TB_11]

I just have this funny feeling Willis is not going to be healthy pitcher within the next couple of years.

 

Agreed. I look at his motion and think he's a Tommy John surgery waiting to happen.

[rjchapma]

I'd take my chances on Willis being healthy rather than Wood and Prior.

[NorthsideAvenger]

I'd take my chances on Willis being healthy rather than Wood and Prior.

 

Willis over Wood health wise, yes....Willis over Prior...NO.

[rjchapma]

Health wise with prior to. Im sorry I love Prior and he probably if ever healthy will be a better pitcher than Willis, but he has not been healthy since 2003. I know they were freak accidents and weird injuries, but right now in there careers Willis is better than both Prior and Wood and hasnt been injured in his career and hes the youngest. So Id take my chances on the healthy, young, proven pitcher. Dont get me wrong though I like Prior.

 

Willis: 2004 22 FLA NL 10 11 32 32 2 0 0 0 197.0 210 99 88 20 61 139 8 2 848 8 0 4.02 4.10 102 1.376

2005 23 FLA NL 22 10 34 34 7 5 0 0 236.3 213 79 69 11 55 170 8 2 960 3 1 2.63 4.02 153 1.134

 

Prior: 2004 23 CHC NL 6 4 21 21 0 0 0 0 118.7 112 53 53 14 48 139 3 2 510 2 1 4.02 4.53 113 1.348

2005 24 CHC NL 11 7 27 27 1 0 0 0 166.7 143 73 68 25 59 188 4 4 701 2 1 3.67 4.27 116 1.212

 

 

Wood: 2004 27 CHC NL 8 9 22 22 0 0 0 0 140.3 127 62 58 16 51 144 11 7 595 0 0 3.72 4.53 122 1.268

2005 28 CHC NL 3 4 21 10 0 0 4 0 66.0 52 32 31 14 26 77 2 0 273 0 0 4.23 4.27 101 1.182

Year Ag Tm Lg W L G GS CG SHO GF SV IP H R ER HR BB SO HBP WP BFP IBB BK ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP

thats how the statistics are layed out

[rjchapma]

As you can see Willis has been the best in the last two year and doesn't have any injury problems.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

As you can see, you can wrap those numbers in "

[Guest]

Any particular reason 2003 isn't listed there? Oh, it's bad for your argument, eh? I see.

[Guest]

MARK

Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
2002 21 CHC NL   6   6  19  19   1   0   0  0  116.7   98   45   43  14   38  147   7   1   486   0   0  3.32  4.03  122 1.166
2003 22 CHC NL  18   6  30  30   3   1   0  0  211.3  183   67   57  15   50  245   9   9   863   4   0  2.43  4.24  175 1.103
2004 23 CHC NL   6   4  21  21   0   0   0  0  118.7  112   53   53  14   48  139   3   2   510   2   1  4.02  4.53  113 1.348
2005 24 CHC NL  11   7  27  27   1   0   0  0  166.7  143   73   68  25   59  188   4   4   701   2   1  3.67  4.27  116 1.212


KERRY

Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
2003 26 CHC NL  14  11  32  32   4   2   0  0  211.0  152   77   75  24  100  266  21  10   887   2   0  3.20  4.24  133 1.194
2004 27 CHC NL   8   9  22  22   0   0   0  0  140.3  127   62   58  16   51  144  11   7   595   0   0  3.72  4.53  122 1.268
2005 28 CHC NL   3   4  21  10   0   0   4  0   66.0   52   32   31  14   26   77   2   0   273   0   0  4.23  4.27  101 1.182


DONTRELLE

Year Ag Tm  Lg  W   L   G   GS  CG SHO  GF SV   IP     H    R   ER   HR  BB   SO  HBP  WP  BFP  IBB  BK  ERA *lgERA *ERA+ WHIP
+--------------+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+--+------+----+----+----+---+----+----+---+---+-----+---+---+-----+-----+----+-----+
2003 21 FLA NL  14   6  27  27   2   2   0  0  160.7  148   61   59  13   58  142   3   7   668   0   1  3.30  4.03  122 1.282
2004 22 FLA NL  10  11  32  32   2   0   0  0  197.0  210   99   88  20   61  139   8   2   848   8   0  4.02  4.10  102 1.376
2005 23 FLA NL  22  10  34  34   7   5   0  0  236.3  213   79   69  11   55  170   8   2   960   3   1  2.63  4.02  153 1.134

The best season any of them had was Prior in 2003. Pretty easily, in fact. ERA+ combined with IP is the most instructive to look at here for past performance due to ballpark variation. Willis is at 124 for his career. Wood is also at 124 over the past three years. Prior is at 140.

 

When on the mound, Prior has been the best of the three without question. Wood and Willis have been pretty equal over the past three years. Past health is a definite plus for Willis.

 

However, the best stats to predict the future aren't ERA+ and IP. The best stats to predict the future are K/9, BB/9 and HR/9. Both Wood and Prior have better chances of future high performance than Dontrelle based on these criteria. Health is anyone's guess, but I'd be concerned how dontrelle holds up after the big innings last year at age 23.

[badgercub]

Show me all the numbers you want, I think Willis would be too much of a risk for what it will cost to get him in players and how much it will cost in terms of a contract to keep him.

[Backtobanks]

I just have this funny feeling Willis is not going to be healthy pitcher within the next couple of years.

 

Agreed. I look at his motion and think he's a Tommy John surgery waiting to happen.

 

As opposed to Mark "Perfect Mechanics" Prior.

[ltb]

I just have this funny feeling Willis is not going to be healthy pitcher within the next couple of years.

 

Agreed. I look at his motion and think he's a Tommy John surgery waiting to happen.

 

As opposed to Mark "Perfect Mechanics" Prior.

 

you mean the mechanics that delayed any injury he would have until recently?

 

it's been well reported that prior's mechanics are the reason he wasn't injured earlier in his career. perhaps you should read up on that.

[RynoRules]

The Fish would be nuts to deal him - face of a floundering ( :) ) franchise.

[soccer10k]

Why would we go after Cabrera? He's listed as a 3B and I believe we have a decent 3B already. I'm not sure on that so somebody will have to let me know for sure. If you want him to play LF, don't we have Matt Murton already? I understand if Murton is hitting like Corey Patterson or suffers a serious injury. We need to wait and see if we really need him.

 

As for Willis, I agree that we need to wait and see if Wood/Prior/Miller can come back and pitch well for us. Even if 2 of them come back that solidifies our rotation.

 

Overall we need to take a wait and see approach to both players. I hope we don't need to make any trades because that will mean everything is going well.

[SouthSideRyan]

I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe Cabrera could probably handle RF.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I may be going out on a limb here, but I believe Cabrera could probably handle RF.

 

Started 100 games there in '04.

[rocket]

Miguel Cabrera is a lot better than Matt Murton and also younger. If Matt Murton is what prevents us from going after Miguel Cabrera, it might be time for a new general manager.

 

(PS I'm aware of the fact that we're probably not after Miguel Cabrera, I'm just saying)

[rjchapma]

aight I know Prior had the best year and 2003, but he hasnt been healthy. Willis has been healthy all three seasons. I'm sorry I take the one who is healthy no offense.