Guess who is injured... (non-Cub)

[UBlink]

You don't have to like it, but you can't simply ignore it and treat it with the same credibility as a story off of the back page of the national enquirer because you don't like how the facts were obtained.

 

I give it about the same credibility as CBS News.

[Jehrico]

You don't have to like it, but you can't simply ignore it and treat it with the same credibility as a story off of the back page of the national enquirer because you don't like how the facts were obtained.

 

I give it about the same credibility as CBS News.

 

You got me...I've got nothing on that one....

[Andy]

as far as barry goes..he admitted to using topical steroids which are not very effective. we all perceive him as a big steroid user but the truth is you do not know for sure. i mean, do you really think that rubbing steroid cream on your knees led him to hit 73 bombs? well, you do not know anything more than that just like we don't anything more about most other guys

No, I don't think rubbing steroid cream on himself resulted in 73 bombs. I believe that his use of human growth hormone, cow steroids, and all kinds of other PEDs obtained through his BALCO-linked trainer Greg Anderson resulted in it, and also in his being walked a billion times since.

[Bull]

Sounds pretty suspicious, right. Because players that jump in performance like that and then suffer injury after injury are juiced, right?

 

Actually that sounds about right. He hit his prime in his mid-to-late 20's and his body fell apart after 30.

 

So then why is Nomar falling apart at 31 a sign of steroids?

 

I didn't say it was, but you used an extremely poor example as your point of reference.

 

That was my point. Koufax was a terrible example. Nomar is an equally poor example. Their rise and fall are similar. Although Nomar wasn't nearly as dominant as Koufax - which, by the way, makes the accusations against him even more obtuse. The point is that just because a player becomes dominant then injury prone doesn't indict him of steroid use.

 

Perhaps if I pointed out that the line you originally quoted was heavily sarcastic??

[neely crenshaw]

as far as barry goes..he admitted to using topical steroids which are not very effective. we all perceive him as a big steroid user but the truth is you do not know for sure. i mean, do you really think that rubbing steroid cream on your knees led him to hit 73 bombs? well, you do not know anything more than that just like we don't anything more about most other guys

No, I don't think rubbing steroid cream on himself resulted in 73 bombs. I believe that his use of human growth hormone, cow steroids, and all kinds of other PEDs obtained through his BALCO-linked trainer Greg Anderson resulted in it, and also in his being walked a billion times since.

 

but this is the part he has not admitted to...so if we use the previous theory we can not say we know he did this. i will also be the first to say i am positive he did all of this...and i am doubly sure about hgh because steroids do not make your head grow...growth hormone does.

also to defend barry a little, he has not pulled a giambi and wasted away to nothing, he is still very big and very strong..obvioulsy he did put in a lot of work in addition to taking enhancers. the real shame is that we will never,ever know for sure how much was barry and how much was additives!

[Soul]

as far as barry goes..he admitted to using topical steroids which are not very effective. we all perceive him as a big steroid user but the truth is you do not know for sure. i mean, do you really think that rubbing steroid cream on your knees led him to hit 73 bombs? well, you do not know anything more than that just like we don't anything more about most other guys

No, I don't think rubbing steroid cream on himself resulted in 73 bombs. I believe that his use of human growth hormone, cow steroids, and all kinds of other PEDs obtained through his BALCO-linked trainer Greg Anderson resulted in it, and also in his being walked a billion times since.

 

but this is the part he has not admitted to...so if we use the previous theory we can not say we know he did this. i will also be the first to say i am positive he did all of this...and i am doubly sure about hgh because steroids do not make your head grow...growth hormone does.

also to defend barry a little, he has not pulled a giambi and wasted away to nothing, he is still very big and very strong..obvioulsy he did put in a lot of work in addition to taking enhancers. the real shame is that we will never,ever know for sure how much was barry and how much was additives!

 

People go to the gas chamber without anyone knowing for sure that they did it.

 

We don't need to know for sure. All we need is to know beyond a reasonable doubt. And we do.

[neely crenshaw]

could we get a few things right on nomar..he is freakin' 32 right now..he was first hurt 5 seasons ago in 2001 the year after his greatest season ever....he has been battling injuries ever since. he was a ripe old 27 when he missed his first nearly full season. he did not come down...for some reason musles started ripping off his body about the time his stats were awesome for a shortstop(30+bombs) and steroids were very much in vogue(the late 90's)

please also note that in the 80's and 70's players were not tearing muscles and ripping tendons, it may just be weightlifting but it probably is more than that.

[neely crenshaw]

as far as barry goes..he admitted to using topical steroids which are not very effective. we all perceive him as a big steroid user but the truth is you do not know for sure. i mean, do you really think that rubbing steroid cream on your knees led him to hit 73 bombs? well, you do not know anything more than that just like we don't anything more about most other guys

No, I don't think rubbing steroid cream on himself resulted in 73 bombs. I believe that his use of human growth hormone, cow steroids, and all kinds of other PEDs obtained through his BALCO-linked trainer Greg Anderson resulted in it, and also in his being walked a billion times since.

 

but this is the part he has not admitted to...so if we use the previous theory we can not say we know he did this. i will also be the first to say i am positive he did all of this...and i am doubly sure about hgh because steroids do not make your head grow...growth hormone does.

also to defend barry a little, he has not pulled a giambi and wasted away to nothing, he is still very big and very strong..obvioulsy he did put in a lot of work in addition to taking enhancers. the real shame is that we will never,ever know for sure how much was barry and how much was additives!

 

People go to the gas chamber without anyone knowing for sure that they did it.

 

We don't need to know for sure. All we need is to know beyond a reasonable doubt. And we do.

 

you don't understand- the statement ws made that we can't say these things about nomar because we don't know for sure...and my point although we all pretty much know what bonds did- we do not know for sure, so if we can't say it about nomar, we can't say it about bonds until we know for sure. but we like nomar so we don't say it...bottom line is that i would guess that most everyone who was in the major leagues during that era tried steroids. some may not have continued or done them to the extent that bonds did but they tried them or hgh. i think alot probably used hgh because there is not a test for it.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

please also note that in the 80's and 70's players were not tearing muscles and ripping tendons, it may just be weightlifting but it probably is more than that.

 

Yes they were, doctors weren't able to diagnose most of them. A lot of modern sports "problems" are relatively new to medicine over the past 5-25 years, and it's not because they just started happening. It's because advances in the field have finally made it possible to know what's happening.

[Mark Priors Calves]

since when does steroid use lead to more injuries. I'm no expert on the subject, but if I remember correctly, both Bonds and Sheffield used steriods to help them recover from injuries quicker. It seems contradictory to take steriods in the recovery process if they only cause more injuries in the long run.

[frostwyrm]

since when does steroid use lead to more injuries. I'm no expert on the subject, but if I remember correctly, both Bonds and Sheffield used steriods to help them recover from injuries quicker. It seems contradictory to take steriods in the recovery process if they only cause more injuries in the long run.

 

I'm not an expert either but I've read that roids make your muscles grow too quickly for your connective tissues such as tendons and ligaments. If you build up naturally those tissues are supposed to toughen up as your muscles grow.

[Jehrico]

since when does steroid use lead to more injuries. I'm no expert on the subject, but if I remember correctly, both Bonds and Sheffield used steriods to help them recover from injuries quicker. It seems contradictory to take steriods in the recovery process if they only cause more injuries in the long run.

 

If you're using them, after awhile, your body begins to depend on them to help heal itself. If you stop using them suddenly, the body won't do as good of a job at healing itself. I'm not an expert, but I know enough that there's more to it than that. Steriods have short term and long term effects. One of the short terms effect is a positive one, in that it can help your body heal from certain types of injuries more quickly. Over the long term though, it can have an opposite effect, from what I understand.

Edited April 5, 2006 by Jehrico

[Soul]

since when does steroid use lead to more injuries. I'm no expert on the subject, but if I remember correctly, both Bonds and Sheffield used steriods to help them recover from injuries quicker. It seems contradictory to take steriods in the recovery process if they only cause more injuries in the long run.

 

I'm not an expert either but I've read that roids make your muscles grow too quickly for your connective tissues such as tendons and ligaments. If you build up naturally those tissues are supposed to toughen up as your muscles grow.

 

I think there might be a good deal of misperception out there, because I always thought it was when you stopped taking them that injuries were more prevalent.

 

Then again, it might just be a case where each athlete reacts differently.

[Uber]

and there goes the 3rd guy on my fantasy team to the DL in 2 days.

 

 

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