Angel Pagan = Carlos Beltran?

[Neuby]

MESA, Ariz. -- One of the players who could be a factor in the Cubs' running game is Angel Pagan.

The outfielder has spent the last six years in the New York Mets Minor League system, and last season hit .271 at Triple-A Norfolk with 27 stolen bases, 20 doubles and 10 triples. He's often been compared to another young outfielder from Puerto Rico, Carlos Beltran.

 

"That's what people say," Pagan said. "I'm glad they compare me with Carlos because he's a great player. I think I have the same talent he has. Hopefully, we can see that in the future."

 

I didn't know this kid had this kind of talent. I've read from other publicatiosn comparing him to Beltran also. It seems like a steal with what Hendry paid for him.

[Outshined_One]

He also was a Mets prospect, which automatically boosts his credibility by a factor of 10.

 

At least Cubs prospects seem to only have it by a factor of five or so...

[mg420]

perhaps pagen's performance has changed the cubs thinking on pierre as far as a contract extention goes. if angel can bring some of his ST success to the big leauges in 2006, the future outfield might be murton, pagan & pie.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Remember Scott McClain. Pagan is not good, he's a reserve outfielder at very best.

[Blueheart05]

perhaps pagen's performance has changed the cubs thinking on pierre as far as a contract extention goes. if angel can bring some of his ST success to the big leauges in 2006, the future outfield might be murton, pagan & pie.

 

It was reported that Pierre's agent has decided to wait before considering an extension because "the market for leadoff men has changed." It went from approximately 8M to 13M per year. Even though, Pie is expected to replace Pierre I don't think he's disciplined enough to bat at the top of the order. At this point, Pagan's role is as backup unless Pie regresses in his development or the Cubs coax Pierre into an extension before the end of the year.

[CUBZ99]

Remember Scott McClain. Pagan is not good, he's a reserve outfielder at very best.

 

Good point, but Pagan has two things McClain didn't have -- youth and speed.

[CubinNY]

This guy is not good, he's never been good, and he will never be as good as Carlos Beltran.

 

Every year there is a guy nobody heard of who lights up spring training. Every year.

 

Pagen has had five seasons in the minors and only managed to hit in the low .270s with an OBP in the low .300s. In that time he has hit 15 HRs IN THE MINOR LEAGUES. He will be 25.

 

When Carlos Betran was 24 he hit .307, had an OBP of .389, and a .900 OPS for the KC Royals. And oh year, he also had 26 HRs and 100 RBI.

 

I know Carlos Beltran, Angel Pagen is no Carlos Beltran.

 

He is a career minor leaguer who had a good spring.

[Blueheart05]

Remember Scott McClain. Pagan is not good, he's a reserve outfielder at very best.

 

We'll see soon enough because it looks like he's made the team. You never really know about Minor League players. On the other hand, he is only 24 so he could develop into a productive everyday player. From what I've read, the Mets were very high on him before he was injured. Rather than wait on his development, they purchased a new outfield. The possibility still exists that Pie may find himself in a similar position. If Pierre is extended, and Jones plays the way he says he can, Pie's ML debut may be pushed back a few years..

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Pierre thinks his limited skills will bring him 13 million, au revoir Monsieur Pierre.

[Lefty]

If Pierre thinks his limited skills will bring him 13 million, au revoir Monsieur Pierre.

 

Ya' gotta hope. But until he's gone that's all it is with these guys. Furcal contract looking better though.

[mg420]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

[CubinNY]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

 

Let the dream die, Pagen is not good.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/angel-pagan.shtml

 

Edit:

 

At age 24 D-Lee put up this line for the FLORIDA MARLINS

 

.281 .368 .507 28 HRs and 70 RBI

Edited March 29, 2006 by CubinNY

[Shawon12]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

 

Let the dream die, Pagen is not good.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/angel-pagan.shtml

 

Wow, thanks, I didn't realize that Pagan had better #'s than Scott Podsednik in the minors. Maybe there is a chance for this guy!

[Chocolate Milk]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

 

Let the dream die, Pagen is not good.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/angel-pagan.shtml

 

Did Angel Pagen run over your dog?

 

Here's to hoping he does turn into Carlos Beltran, but he probably won't.

[CubinNY]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

 

Let the dream die, Pagen is not good.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/angel-pagan.shtml

 

Did Angel Pagen run over your dog?

 

Here's to hoping he does turn into Carlos Beltran, but he probably won't.

 

No he didn't run of my dog. But he is not good. All I'm trying to do is show that.

 

Keep hope alive, keep hope alive.

[Blueheart05]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

 

Let the dream die, Pagen is not good.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/angel-pagan.shtml

 

Did Angel Pagen run over your dog?

 

Here's to hoping he does turn into Carlos Beltran, but he probably won't.

 

No he didn't run of my dog. But he is not good. All I'm trying to do is show that.

 

Keep hope alive, keep hope alive.

 

He's never played in the MLs so it hard to say what he is definitively. There are guys that have outstanding projections who turn out to be busts! The opposite is true as well.

Edited March 29, 2006 by Blueheart05

[AcesHigh]

what kind of #'s was dlee putting up at 24? tori hunter was 27 when he broke into the bigs with the twins. pagan seems to have all the tools to be a fine ML outfielder. some guys just put it together later than others. he doesnt have to be as good as beltran was to be a starter on the cubs. just as some guys who tear it up in the minors never pan out in the bigs, some guys dont perform well in the minors but have success in the majors.

 

Let the dream die, Pagen is not good.

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/angel-pagan.shtml

 

Did Angel Pagen run over your dog?

 

Here's to hoping he does turn into Carlos Beltran, but he probably won't.

 

No he didn't run of my dog. But he is not good. All I'm trying to do is show that.

 

Keep hope alive, keep hope alive.

 

He's never played in the MLs so it hard to say what he is definitively. There are guy that have outstanding projections who turn out to be busts! The opposite is true as well.

Completely agreed. I've learned never to trust the hype after being sold on Corey for so long. He might be a productive outfielder one day, but I'll believe it when I see it.

[sweetpeteman]

its funny that you mention Torii Hunter because when you look at the numbers, Pagan actually looks like he could project into somebody like that (Hunter has had an .800+ OPS twice, once when he was 27 and once after in the bigs). In fact, his minor league numbers:

 

 

G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP Avg Obp Slg Ops

Minor League Totals: 5 years 509 2048 321 569 84 33 15 188 163 60 175 399 4 5 29 13 25 .278 .334 .373 707

 

are bcomparable to Hunter's

 

Minor League Totals: 7 years 526 1922 300 520 105 10 53 264 52 23 147 384 3 0 1 3 4 .271 --- .418 ---

 

 

Hunter has better power, but Pagan still looks like he could turn into that type of player.

[goonys evil twin]

He's never played in the MLs so it hard to say what he is definitively. There are guys that have outstanding projections who turn out to be busts! The opposite is true as well.

 

What is the opposite of that? Guys who have done nothing in the minors then turned into Carlos Beltran? Just because a guy hasn't played in the majors doesn't mean you can't have a pretty good idea of what his limitations will be in the majors.

[NCCubFan]

I know Carlos Beltran, Angel Pagen is no Carlos Beltran.

He's no Angel Pagan, either. :D

[Blueheart05]

He's never played in the MLs so it hard to say what he is definitively. There are guys that have outstanding projections who turn out to be busts! The opposite is true as well.

 

What is the opposite of that? Guys who have done nothing in the minors then turned into Carlos Beltran? Just because a guy hasn't played in the majors doesn't mean you can't have a pretty good idea of what his limitations will be in the majors.

 

Of course not. The opposite is a player who comes into the League with little or no expectations (or strictly as a backup) but proves his worth when he's able to play everyday. He doesn't have to develop into Beltran to have value. Minor League productivity doesn't always equate to ML success.

[AcesHigh]

I think Eric Gagne is a perect example of that. He came into the league and was failing as a starter and was on his way out. The Dodgers put him at closer and, poof, he became a star.

[mg420]

He's never played in the MLs so it hard to say what he is definitively. There are guys that have outstanding projections who turn out to be busts! The opposite is true as well.

 

What is the opposite of that? Guys who have done nothing in the minors then turned into Carlos Beltran? Just because a guy hasn't played in the majors doesn't mean you can't have a pretty good idea of what his limitations will be in the majors.

 

Of course not. The opposite is a player who comes into the League with little or no expectations (or strictly as a backup) but proves his worth when he's able to play everyday. He doesn't have to develop into Beltran to have value. Minor League productivity doesn't always equate to ML success.

 

see gary scott & rosey brown to mention a few

[goonys evil twin]

I think Eric Gagne is a perect example of that. He came into the league and was failing as a starter and was on his way out. The Dodgers put him at closer and, poof, he became a star.

 

No, that's not even close to a good comparison. Most closers are failed starters. Good starting position players don't come out of nowhere.

[Chocolate Milk]

Can I just link to yesterday's rain on Pagan's parade thread to save us all the trouble of doing it again here?