3/22 ST Cubs (Maddux) @ Padres (Williams) 8 PM MLBTV & r

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Sounded like Angel crushed that one.

 

Yeah, it was a no doubter.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Reyes grounds out to 2B. Nice backhanded play.

 

To the bottom of the ninth...

[moorecg]

Just stopped in...Did Ronny do anything tonight?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

JK gets a first pitch swinging groundout to SS (Ojeda).

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Just stopped in...Did Ronny do anything tonight?

 

Not that I recall, but he looks better. His outs were solidly hit.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

JK gets the biggest baseball player I've ever seen to popup on the breaking ball to shallow LC. Pagan makes the catch easily.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

JK strikes out (3 pitches) some dude on a breaking ball looking to end the game. Sweet.

 

12-6 Cubs is the final.

 

We had 15 hits and no errors. SD had 7 hits and 1 error.

Edited March 23, 2006 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[moorecg]

Just stopped in...Did Ronny do anything tonight?

 

Not that I recall, but he looks better. His outs were solidly hit.

 

Good to hear...I'm not too concerned about ST results, I just want him to at least look like he's seeing the ball well and taking good swings.

 

thanks for the info....

[badger1679666666]

Pagan homers to RF on the 2-2 pitch. 12-6 Chicago. 8)

 

I'd like to see this guy make the team over Grissom.

[jjgman21]

Pagan homers to RF on the 2-2 pitch. 12-6 Chicago. 8)

 

I'd like to see this guy make the team over Grissom.

 

I was wondering if Restovich's stumble tonight cost him any shot of getting the spot instead of Grissom. how bad was it?

 

Compare

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Pagan simply must be on the opening day roster, period. He's earned it, he can help this team off the bench. I really like what he's done in Arizona.

 

Grissom to the glue factory, plz.

[badger1679666666]

Pagan simply must be on the opening day roster, period. He's earned it, he can help this team off the bench. I really like what he's done in Arizona.

 

Grissom to the glue factory, plz.

 

The Chicago Tribune article from tonight/tomorrow does not sound good. Dusty once again saying past numbers matter since Grissom is a vet.

 

:roll:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd take either Restovich or Pagan over Grissom. I think I prefer Restovich's power to Pagan's speed. Grissom offers neither power nor speed. I have no use of him.

[Shilzzz]

anybody got a box score?

[Fred Hornkohl]

anybody got a box score?

 

Well, since you asked so nice........

 

                       1  2  3   4  5  6   7  8  9   R  H  E
                      -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -   -  -  -
 CHICAGO CUBS         2  0  0   0  1  0   1  7  1  12 15  0
 SAN DIEGO            3  0  0   0  0  0   0  3  0   6  7  1   FINAL

                 WP - RYAN DEMPSTER (1-0)
                 LP - TREVOR HOFFMAN (0-1)

    HOME RUNS:  CHN - DYLAN JOHNSTON (1) OFF TREVOR HOFFMAN IN THE 7TH
                      ANGEL PAGAN (3) OFF JASON ANDERSON IN THE 9TH

         TIME: 2:33                   ATT: 6,888


Box Score


CHICAGO CUBS (12) AT SAN DIEGO (6)

CHICAGO CUBS     AB  R  H BI  SAN DIEGO        AB  R  H BI
J Pierre cf       4  1  1  0  D Roberts lf      4  1  1  0
R Theriot 2b      0  1  0  0  M Cameron cf      4  2  2  0
T Walker 2b       3  1  1  1  B Giles rf        3  2  1  2
C Walker ph       1  1  1  2  M Piazza c        3  1  1  3
J Ryu p           0  0  0  0  P LaForest c      1  0  0  1
A Ramirez 3b      2  0  2  1  R Klesko 1b       3  0  0  0
C McGehee 3b      2  0  1  2  V Castilla 3b     3  0  1  0
J Jones rf        2  0  1  1  G Blum 3b         1  0  0  0
M Restovich rf    2  1  0  0  K Greene ss       4  0  0  0
J Mabry 1b        3  0  1  0  M Bellhorn 2b     3  0  0  0
B Dopirak 1b      2  1  1  1  J Anderson p      0  0  0  0
M Grissom lf      3  0  0  0  C Young ph        1  0  0  0
A Pagan lf        2  2  2  1  W Williams p      2  0  1  0
R Cedeno ss       3  0  0  0  T Hoffman p       0  0  0  0
A Ojeda ss        2  1  1  1  A Embree p        0  0  0  0
H Blanco c        3  0  1  0  J Leone 2b        2  0  0  0
J Reyes c         2  0  0  1
G Maddux p        2  1  1  0
R Dempster p      0  0  0  0
D Johnston ph     1  1  1  1
S Williamson p    0  0  0  0
F Pie ph          0  1  0  0
TOTALS           39 12 15 12  TOTALS           34  6  7  6

CHICAGO CUBS              200 010 171 -- 12
SAN DIEGO                 300 000 030 --  6

E--M Bellhorn. DP--SAN DIEGO 2. LOB--CHICAGO CUBS
5, SAN DIEGO 3. 2B--G Maddux, B Dopirak, C Walker.
3B--B Giles. HR--A Pagan 1 (3) (off J Anderson), D
Johnston 1 (1) (off T Hoffman). SB--J Pierre 1
(1), M Restovich 1 (1), M Cameron 1 (1). SF--J
Jones, T Walker.
                                  IP   H   R  ER  BB  SO  HR
 CHICAGO CUBS
G Maddux                           5   3   3   3   1   4   1
R Dempster (W,1-0)                 1   0   0   0   0   0   0
S Williamson                       1   1   0   0   0   2   0
J Ryu                              2   3   3   3   1   2   0
 SAN DIEGO
W Williams                         6   8   3   3   0   3   0
T Hoffman (L,0-1)                  1   1   1   1   0   0   1
A Embree                         2-3   4   7   1   1   0   0
J Anderson                     1 1-3   2   1   1   0   0   1

WP--W Williams. HBP--F Pie by A Embree, A Ramirez
by W Williams. SO--CHN: J Jones, G Maddux, T
Walker. SDG: R Klesko 2, J Leone 2, M Bellhorn, M
Cameron, K Greene, W Williams. BB--CHN: R Theriot.
SDG: R Klesko, B Giles. T--2:33. A--6,888.

[Shilzzz]

thank you for that, fred!

 

i didn't realize pagan had hit 3 homeruns. it would be a crime for grissom to make the team over him.

 

ramirez looks good too.

[RyCubsFan]

I'd take either Restovich or Pagan over Grissom. I think I prefer Restovich's power to Pagan's speed. Grissom offers neither power nor speed. I have no use of him.

 

Kinda funny how Pagan had the home run today (his third), while Restovich swiped a bag.

 

What I don't like about Restovich is his strike out numbers this Spring. Normally I don't care too much about k's, but a pinch hitter needs to be able to make contact (might need a bunt, a sac fly, etc.). Pagan has shown a better ability to make contact this spring. I think his speed could really be an asset late in games as well (pinch runner, etc).

[RyCubsFan]

I think San Diego is really going to miss Otsuka.

[jkrapfl]

I'd take either Restovich or Pagan over Grissom. I think I prefer Restovich's power to Pagan's speed. Grissom offers neither power nor speed. I have no use of him.

 

Kinda funny how Pagan had the home run today (his third), while Restovich swiped a bag.

 

What I don't like about Restovich is his strike out numbers this Spring. Normally I don't care too much about k's, but a pinch hitter needs to be able to make contact (might need a bunt, a sac fly, etc.). Pagan has shown a better ability to make contact this spring. I think his speed could really be an asset late in games as well (pinch runner, etc).

 

A pinch hitter maybe needing to get the sac fly I can see, but why would you ever waste a pinch hitter in a bunting situation? You might as well let the pitcher hit for himself in that case and save the pinch hitter in case you need him later on.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't deny that Pagan's speed could be an asset. In fact, if we'd go with five starters and six bullpen arms, both Restovich and Pagan could fit on the bench.

 

Right now, (assuming Walker is the starter at 2b), our bench is Perez (SS/2b), Mabry (1b/3b/OF), Hairston (2b/OF) and Blanco ©. That bench lacks any right-handed power. Hairston has some speed from the right side. Given the construction of our bench, I'd rather have a right-handed power threat than a speedster on the bench. If I could have both, that would be great.

[rawaction]

Aramis is gonna have a huge year. There's really no reason he can't better his 04 numbers.

[craig]

Pagan has had a good spring, a very surprising and excellent spring in all regards, both his base-stealng speed, his pure hitting ability, and his power. On a team that has shown very, very little HR power this spring, isn't Pagan with 3 HR like the power giant of the team? As a guy who can run and play a good CF and some corner, and can theoretically hit besides, he'd be a nice reserve outfielder.

 

Thing is, it's just spring training. Once the season begins he'd park on the bench, Pierre will play everyday early, and Mabry and the veterans will pinch-hit and probably play LF/RF ahead of Pagan. I really don't see him doing much of anything until/unless an outfielder gets injured.

 

If you carry him, and he produces when he does get opportunity, he may get increased chances and establish himself as a useful dude.

 

But I can easily envision a scene where he has this grand spring, then doesn't play, and by May 15 he's 2-for-8, and whatever groove he established this spring is forgotten history, he's just a guy who's never been much of a hitter who isn't hitting well as a never-used guy, and he'd be in no position to help the 06 Cubs or establish himself as worthwhile for 06 Cubs, for 07 Cubs, or for trade value.

 

Personally, I'm much prefer that Pagan goes down to Iowa. If he really has miraculously transformed into a major-league caliber hitter with some surprisingly decent power, he'll rock in the PCL and prove it down there. If he's hitting .320 with some power and speed, then you know you've got something. Maybe he plays himself into a sure-roster spot for 2007. Maybe he gets called up later when somebody gets hurt so that he'll get a chance to help, and he'll be locked in such that he actually does help. Maybe he'll establish himself as a genuine value, enough so that he has some July trade value.

 

It just seems to me that if indeed he's actually a good player, he'll need more than 30 spring training AB to prove it. And his minor league track record doesn't show enough success for any GM to trade for him, for any Cub manager to use him, or for any fans to assume he's got the package.

 

If he's worthless, then going to Iowa won't hurt the team and he'll be able to confirm as much. If he's got a chance to be pretty good, going to Iowa will give him a chance to confirm that, to prove it to everybody, and to go from there. But after he goes three weeks with 4 pinch-hitting appearances and no hits, I think whatever good he's done this spring will be pretty much forgotten.

 

Send him to Iowa.

[Jehrico]

Pagan has had a good spring, a very surprising and excellent spring in all regards, both his base-stealng speed, his pure hitting ability, and his power. On a team that has shown very, very little HR power this spring, isn't Pagan with 3 HR like the power giant of the team? As a guy who can run and play a good CF and some corner, and can theoretically hit besides, he'd be a nice reserve outfielder.

 

Thing is, it's just spring training. Once the season begins he'd park on the bench, Pierre will play everyday early, and Mabry and the veterans will pinch-hit and probably play LF/RF ahead of Pagan. I really don't see him doing much of anything until/unless an outfielder gets injured.

 

If you carry him, and he produces when he does get opportunity, he may get increased chances and establish himself as a useful dude.

 

But I can easily envision a scene where he has this grand spring, then doesn't play, and by May 15 he's 2-for-8, and whatever groove he established this spring is forgotten history, he's just a guy who's never been much of a hitter who isn't hitting well as a never-used guy, and he'd be in no position to help the 06 Cubs or establish himself as worthwhile for 06 Cubs, for 07 Cubs, or for trade value.

 

Personally, I'm much prefer that Pagan goes down to Iowa. If he really has miraculously transformed into a major-league caliber hitter with some surprisingly decent power, he'll rock in the PCL and prove it down there. If he's hitting .320 with some power and speed, then you know you've got something. Maybe he plays himself into a sure-roster spot for 2007. Maybe he gets called up later when somebody gets hurt so that he'll get a chance to help, and he'll be locked in such that he actually does help. Maybe he'll establish himself as a genuine value, enough so that he has some July trade value.

 

It just seems to me that if indeed he's actually a good player, he'll need more than 30 spring training AB to prove it. And his minor league track record doesn't show enough success for any GM to trade for him, for any Cub manager to use him, or for any fans to assume he's got the package.

 

If he's worthless, then going to Iowa won't hurt the team and he'll be able to confirm as much. If he's got a chance to be pretty good, going to Iowa will give him a chance to confirm that, to prove it to everybody, and to go from there. But after he goes three weeks with 4 pinch-hitting appearances and no hits, I think whatever good he's done this spring will be pretty much forgotten.

 

Send him to Iowa.

 

Which trade was he involved in? I can't recall who we gave up for him, but I don't think it was anyone noteworthy. If he does progress into a pretty good major leaguer, this could be chalked up as another fleecing for Hendry.

[Jehrico]

nevermind, found my own answer. We didn't even trade for him, we purchased his contract from the Mets. If he turns out to be pretty good, Hendry would really have pulled one over on Minaya.