Iowa St. hires McDermott and other coaching changes

[da bears]

I had a friend who always used to tell me that Bill Self could not win the big game. I realized that after he left Illinois. I think he coached maybe one team at Illinois that beat a top ranked team (Arizona in 2001 I believe). Every year in the tournament, they played someone better, and they always bowed out to them.

 

Now at Kansas, I don't know if he's won any big games. In the elite eight, his team lost to talented Georgia Tech team. And of course, the last two years to mid-majors. I wouldn't trade Bruce Weber for Bill Self. Him leaving Illinois was a blessing in disguise for Illinois. And also, having a year like Illinois did last year is definitely going to bump up Illinois' recruiting in the next few years.

Edited March 23, 2006 by da bears

[Guest]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

[illiniguy]

snoodmonger is right. Kansas is definitely up with those other first-tier programs, and many agree that they are probably top 5 all-time.

Make a good argument putting them in front of either UCLA, Indiana, UNC, Duke, or Kentucky. The top 5 go ahead I will wait for it. KU is a top 10 program or second tier. Hey Bill, that Sommerville kid can shoot might want to guard him.

 

I think they're in front of Duke.

 

They had a few Final Four appearances in the 60's, but other than that they were pretty much irrelevant until the late 80's. Yeah they've quite possibly been the best program since 1989, but that's not all that matters.

It's close and they're right there, but I would give them the nod.

 

There is a real ebb and flow to these things, IMO. A few years ago, I would have agreed with you, but Kansas hasn't looked like a top 5 in a while.

 

Yeah, no FF since '02 and '03. What a drought.

 

KU Since 1988-- five final fours, 3 title game appearances, one title.

 

That's plenty to keep them in top program contention. UCONN is quickly becoming part of the discussion, too. It's their lack of history that hurts them.

 

I realize it's all subjective, but I think it's silly to discount history and coaching trees just because you think they don't matter in the discussion. When people talk about UNC, they talk about Dean and MJ. When people talk UCLA they talk Wooden, Alcindor, etc. When people talk about KU, they talk Naismith, Chamberlain, the coaching tree. All of those are elements of what makes those programs great, and you don't get to discount them simply because it weakens the pro-KU argument to do so.

 

 

And, and for the record, if UI lands Rose, they'll be damn good that year they have him. Instant title contender.

 

I sincerely doubt recruits give a damn about any of that, and that matters more than what you or I think.

 

And in terms of program health I would put UConn ahead of KU right now, along with Duke, UNC, MSU and maybe a couple others. And I don't think Self is a good enough coach to win a NC, and certainly not half the Coach Roy Williams is. In Self's 3 years at KU, he has had 3 very talented teams, and managed an Elite 8 and two first round exits.

 

You can disagree all you want, but his winning to talent ratio isn't where it should be, and would be shocked if KU has the kind of success under him that you did under Williams.

You don't think MJ showing up at Rose's house to pimp unc would have an effect on him?

[illiniguy]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

I think it is awesome and I hope he brings those two big recruits with him.

[anemic offense]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

 

It's a good thing if you don't mind your program being polluted with a bunch of thugs (if history repeats, which it usually does). Not to mention, Huggins is hardly an angel himself. I'm elated Iowa State didn't give this clown the time of day (not that they could have anyway, being they'd already canned a coach guilty of FARRR less).

[Guest]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

 

It's a good thing if you don't mind your program being polluted with a bunch of thugs (if history repeats, which it usually does). Not to mention, Huggins is hardly an angel himself. I'm elated Iowa State didn't give this clown the time of day (not that they could have anyway, being they'd already canned a coach guilty of FARRR less).

 

I'll be elated when we kick Iowa State's a** in the years to come. hell, KSU is the #1 PUBLIC university for Goldwater, Truman, and Marshal scholarships in the US. I'll take a few thugs, if that's what happens, to see my team do well in the NCAA tourney!

[Butterscup1679666578]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

 

It's a good thing if you don't mind your program being polluted with a bunch of thugs (if history repeats, which it usually does). Not to mention, Huggins is hardly an angel himself. I'm elated Iowa State didn't give this clown the time of day (not that they could have anyway, being they'd already canned a coach guilty of FARRR less).

 

I'll be elated when we kick Iowa State's a** in the years to come. hell, KSU is the #1 PUBLIC university for Goldwater, Truman, and Marshal scholarships in the US. I'll take a few thugs, if that's what happens, to see my team do well in the NCAA tourney!

 

I'll be honest, I never thought I'd see someone so excited to have Huggins. Maybe it's because in terms of college I'd rather have a well-run, classy, organization, then an organization that loses in the second round of the tournament every year and is always in trouble.

[Guest]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

 

It's a good thing if you don't mind your program being polluted with a bunch of thugs (if history repeats, which it usually does). Not to mention, Huggins is hardly an angel himself. I'm elated Iowa State didn't give this clown the time of day (not that they could have anyway, being they'd already canned a coach guilty of FARRR less).

 

I'll be elated when we kick Iowa State's a** in the years to come. hell, KSU is the #1 PUBLIC university for Goldwater, Truman, and Marshal scholarships in the US. I'll take a few thugs, if that's what happens, to see my team do well in the NCAA tourney!

 

I'll be honest, I never thought I'd see someone so excited to have Huggins. Maybe it's because in terms of college I'd rather have a well-run, classy, organization, then an organization that loses in the second round of the tournament every year and is always in trouble.

 

"Classy"???? Do you know the guy or is that an opinion? I haven't heard the people at Cincy say one bad thing about him. Is it because of the DUI that he isn't classy? Come on now! Hell, I've had a DUI, but that doesn't mean Im not a classy individual. I'm sure there are others on this board that have as well. I mean, I respect your opinon, but I sense hostility of a Mizzou fan. Hell, Quin Snyder wasn't classy in my opinion, but I don't mention my thoughts about his personality. I think he was a good basketball coach, which is what I am happy to finally have in Manhattan. You forget about the history of KSU basketball going from a "name" school, to a complete bag of crap in 10 years. I'm excited, YOU BET! We finally have someone that is going to win games for us. I'm sick of nice guys, like Wooldridge, who I have a ton of respect for, but couldn't get the job done. Why the hell wouldn't I be excited?

[Butterscup1679666578]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

 

It's a good thing if you don't mind your program being polluted with a bunch of thugs (if history repeats, which it usually does). Not to mention, Huggins is hardly an angel himself. I'm elated Iowa State didn't give this clown the time of day (not that they could have anyway, being they'd already canned a coach guilty of FARRR less).

 

I'll be elated when we kick Iowa State's a** in the years to come. hell, KSU is the #1 PUBLIC university for Goldwater, Truman, and Marshal scholarships in the US. I'll take a few thugs, if that's what happens, to see my team do well in the NCAA tourney!

 

I'll be honest, I never thought I'd see someone so excited to have Huggins. Maybe it's because in terms of college I'd rather have a well-run, classy, organization, then an organization that loses in the second round of the tournament every year and is always in trouble.

 

"Classy"???? Do you know the guy or is that an opinion? I haven't heard the people at Cincy say one bad thing about him. Is it because of the DUI that he isn't classy? Come on now! Hell, I've had a DUI, but that doesn't mean Im not a classy individual. I'm sure there are others on this board that have as well. I mean, I respect your opinon, but I sense hostility of a Mizzou fan. Hell, Quin Snyder wasn't classy in my opinion, but I don't mention my thoughts about his personality. I think he was a good basketball coach, which is what I am happy to finally have in Manhattan. You forget about the history of KSU basketball going from a "name" school, to a complete bag of crap in 10 years. I'm excited, YOU BET! We finally have someone that is going to win games for us. I'm sick of nice guys, like Wooldridge, who I have a ton of respect for, but couldn't get the job done. Why the hell wouldn't I be excited?

 

I never said he wasn't classy, I said the Cincinnati team he ran was not classy at all. His players were always considered rough, if not dirty. During his tenure he had many players criminally convicted and/or arrested. His program was put on probation in 1998. Classy program indeed.

 

He's going to win games, but he isn't going to win the big one. Two Elite Eights, and one Final Four, okay very good. However, UC never beat a higher seeded team, and lost to a lower seeded team 10 times. UC lost 12 times in the first or second round in 16 appearances.

 

And I knew you'd bring up Quin Snyder. Quin Snyder ran the furthest thing from a classy program. I never once discussed Huggins' personality in the previous post, because I don't know him, I'm talking about his program. I'm a fan of people who can run classy programs.

Edited March 24, 2006 by Butterscup

[RationalSoxFan]

The way I see it, Weber>>>Self in the big10. Weber, having worked in the Big 10 for 20 years, knows the conference inside and out. Self, amazing recruiter, good coach. The reason I hate Self isn't cause he left Illinois, it's cause he hired scumbags like Kurtis Townsend and (allegedly, and I have pretty good sources, believe me or don't, I don't care) paid Sherron Collins. Self was aided A LOT by his assistants, Norm Roberts (Current St. Johns head coach), and Billy Gillespie (Hottest coach in America).

[hawkeyecub]

It's not just about the DUI and I apologize if I'm wrong but it doesn't seem like you paid close attention to how he ran his program at Cincy. There's a reason that more high-profile schools didn't want anything to do with him. It's not because he can't deliver wins.

[hawkeyecub]

Tiger (or anyone who knows what's going on at MU) what's the deal with the shakeup in Mizzou's search committee?

 

It sounds like the guy who really didn't want Alford is off the committee.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Tiger (or anyone who knows what's going on at MU) what's the deal with the shakeup in Mizzou's search committee?

 

It sounds like the guy who really didn't want Alford is off the committee.

 

From what I heard, everyone on the committee but AD Mike Alden wanted Huggins, and since Alden didn't go after him, there were some problems within the committee and I guess they were all fired? I'm not sure but that's what I'm hearing.

[Andy]

According to WRTV sports, Ball State has plans to interview LSU assistant John Treloar once they are done. Also in a radio interview, Memphis assistant Tony Barbee, an Indianapolis native, said he would be "very interested" in the BSU job if he were to be considered after Memphis is finished.

[snoodmonger]

The way I see it, Weber>>>Self in the big10. Weber, having worked in the Big 10 for 20 years, knows the conference inside and out. Self, amazing recruiter, good coach. The reason I hate Self isn't cause he left Illinois, it's cause he hired scumbags like Kurtis Townsend and (allegedly, and I have pretty good sources, believe me or don't, I don't care) paid Sherron Collins. Self was aided A LOT by his assistants, Norm Roberts (Current St. Johns head coach), and Billy Gillespie (Hottest coach in America).

 

Give me a break.

 

Kurtis Townsend has never been implicated in any wrongdoings. Ever. People pin the cal fiasco on him, and he wasn't even there for it. And forgive me if I don't believe your mysterious sources.

 

And for all of the people who say Self can't win the big game, they said that about Dean, Roy, Lute, Boeheim, and many more. I'll take Self over Weber any day.

 

As for Huggy...I think it was the right hire for KSU. Yeah, he has a somewhay tarnished image, but I imagine he's going to walk a fine line now in an effort to clean that up. And he IS a good coach. Perhaps not the greatest coach, as his offensive schemes are somewhat lacking, but I bet he has KSU in the top third of the Big XII within 3-4 years and challenging for the crown. In one if he gets Mayo.

 

He probably wasn't the right hire for Mizzou, though. With all the negatives swirling around the program, they have to being in someone clean and good. I still think Majerus would be a great short term fit. Get the program up and running, then in 5 years retire and leave Mizzou in a prime position to attract a younger, established coach.

[NCCubFan]

According to WRTV sports, Ball State has plans to interview LSU assistant John Treloar once they are done. Also in a radio interview, Memphis assistant Tony Barbee, an Indianapolis native, said he would be "very interested" in the BSU job if he were to be considered after Memphis is finished.

Treloar is a former IU assistant. He was an assistant under Knight along with Davis when Knight got fired. In fact, Treloar and Davis were considered the two candidates for what at the time was an interim coach position.

[Andy]

According to WRTV sports, Ball State has plans to interview LSU assistant John Treloar once they are done. Also in a radio interview, Memphis assistant Tony Barbee, an Indianapolis native, said he would be "very interested" in the BSU job if he were to be considered after Memphis is finished.

Treloar is a former IU assistant. He was an assistant under Knight along with Davis when Knight got fired. In fact, Treloar and Davis were considered the two candidates for what at the time was an interim coach position.

That's right, I knew I forgot to mention something about him. I'm intrigued by both candidates but right now I'm leaning slightly in favor of Barbee because he is a dynamite recruiter.

[SouthSideRyan]

Snood do you think Self is a better in-game coach than Weber?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I thought I had heard that Rush was coming back to Lawrence (going back a few pages).

[snoodmonger]

Snood do you think Self is a better in-game coach than Weber?

 

To be honest, I'm not sure how Weber earned this rep as the greatest coaching mastermind ever. Because he won a ton of games last year with 4 probable NBA players? (Deron, Luther, Dee, Augie) Because he went to the sweet 16 twice with a mid major? (Self went to the EE with Tulsa)

 

Weber's a great coach.And he's probably better at in-game adjustments than Self. (I've seen a couple of games where Self made some baffling moves). But I think Self is a better overall package. He's a way better recruiter, and he's Weber's equal when it comes to general coaching/preparation.

 

Anyone who thinks Self can't coach didn't watch KU play this year. He had that team playing intense defense, and he had them playig together as a team. He even had Rush, the oft-rumored malcontent (a reputation that turned out to be completely bogus), playing tough defense. And that's the thing that ticks me off most about losing to Bradley.

 

This KU team was young, and they weren't going to go much farther than the Swt 16 regardless. But losing to Bradley gives every short-sighted hater ammo against Self, when the fact is, the guys just didn't play well, and it didn't have anything to do with the game plan.

 

I think Self deserved criticism for the Bucknell loss (although that KU team was vastly overrated all season by most people, myself included), but the Bradley game was the players' loss much more than Self's.

 

And for what it's worth, my sister-in-law's dad was a long time Div 1 coach. He coached at South Carolina, Rutgers, Utah, Northwestern, Duke, and more. (He took Duke to a FInal Four, too.) And he has repeatedly said that Self is one of the best young coaches in CBB. I think I'll take his opinion over the UI naysayers.

 

 

Raisin--Rush has said he's coming back. Self has said that he (self) was going to invesigate Rush's draft status anyway, because he owed it to Rush, and he didn't want Rush making an emotional decision w/o all the necessary info.

 

I think Rush stays regardless. He doesn't want to make the mistake Jaron made, and he doesn't have the ability to test the draft, as he already pulled his name last year.

[Guest]

By the way, I apologize to the KSU, ISU, and MU fans for hijacking the crap out of this thread. Not my goal.

 

Mizzou/TT/dabears--any news on the coaching front?

 

I really haven't heard anything. Just more complaining on Tigerboard. I bet that Mizzou doesn't hire anyone until after the tournament (I could be totally wrong though).

 

On a side note, I just can't understand how these kids, like OJ Mayo, would want to go to Manhattan, Kansas, even to follow Huggins. Even before I knew anything about KSU or MU, I still kinda knew that KSU was not in a bustling metropolis. Oh well, congradulations on getting Huggins, and if they can land Mayo and Walker, impressive job.

 

Well, Manhattan KS IS a hell of a good time. Ever been to Aggieville? It's not too far from Wichita or KC, and is a hell of a school with a pretty damn good basketball history (get rid of 1991-2006). Huggins WILL bring this program back, and I am tickeled pink knowing it! WOO! Heck of a year for KSU BBALL!!!!!!

 

It's a good thing if you don't mind your program being polluted with a bunch of thugs (if history repeats, which it usually does). Not to mention, Huggins is hardly an angel himself. I'm elated Iowa State didn't give this clown the time of day (not that they could have anyway, being they'd already canned a coach guilty of FARRR less).

 

I'll be elated when we kick Iowa State's a** in the years to come. hell, KSU is the #1 PUBLIC university for Goldwater, Truman, and Marshal scholarships in the US. I'll take a few thugs, if that's what happens, to see my team do well in the NCAA tourney!

 

I'll be honest, I never thought I'd see someone so excited to have Huggins. Maybe it's because in terms of college I'd rather have a well-run, classy, organization, then an organization that loses in the second round of the tournament every year and is always in trouble.

 

"Classy"???? Do you know the guy or is that an opinion? I haven't heard the people at Cincy say one bad thing about him. Is it because of the DUI that he isn't classy? Come on now! Hell, I've had a DUI, but that doesn't mean Im not a classy individual. I'm sure there are others on this board that have as well. I mean, I respect your opinon, but I sense hostility of a Mizzou fan. Hell, Quin Snyder wasn't classy in my opinion, but I don't mention my thoughts about his personality. I think he was a good basketball coach, which is what I am happy to finally have in Manhattan. You forget about the history of KSU basketball going from a "name" school, to a complete bag of crap in 10 years. I'm excited, YOU BET! We finally have someone that is going to win games for us. I'm sick of nice guys, like Wooldridge, who I have a ton of respect for, but couldn't get the job done. Why the hell wouldn't I be excited?

 

I never said he wasn't classy, I said the Cincinnati team he ran was not classy at all. His players were always considered rough, if not dirty. During his tenure he had many players criminally convicted and/or arrested. His program was put on probation in 1998. Classy program indeed.

 

He's going to win games, but he isn't going to win the big one. Two Elite Eights, and one Final Four, okay very good. However, UC never beat a higher seeded team, and lost to a lower seeded team 10 times. UC lost 12 times in the first or second round in 16 appearances.

 

And I knew you'd bring up Quin Snyder. Quin Snyder ran the furthest thing from a classy program. I never once discussed Huggins' personality in the previous post, because I don't know him, I'm talking about his program. I'm a fan of people who can run classy programs.

 

Don't get me wrong, I like a classy program too, and I don't think Huggins isn't capable of running one. The administration at KSU won't put up with anything less than class. Trust me here. However, our previous coach was nothing but class, I love the guy. He was a great ambassador for KSU. He just didn't win. KSU HAD to take a gamble with Huggins. We need butts in the seats and need to win games. That was the #1 reason for this hire plain and simple, and I love it. Huggins has had a year away, and I guarantee you that he won't be running the same kind of program at KSU that he was running at Cincy, but guarantee he'll still get the players, and will still win. That is what KSU needs.

[SouthSideRyan]

and I guarantee you that he won't be running the same kind of program at KSU that he was running at Cincy, but guarantee he'll still get the players,

 

These 2 things don't seem to go together. Much of Huggins's program seemed to be built on having those players on the team that made the program the kind that it was.

[dalgreen]

I don't understand why people bring up, "He won't win you the big one" when talking about Huggins' hire at KSU. To me, if you say that then you don't get it. KSU b-ball, right now, just wants an upper-tier Big 12 program. They could make the NCAA tourney for the next five years and lose in the first round every year and Huggins' job would be very safe. This isn't UConn, Duke, KU, UCLA, UNC, it's Kansas State. I think it's a good hire for a program wanting to be contenders. Also, Cincinnati, from what I understand, is pretty much a commuter school, so you probably won't get the best student/athletes, anyway. Hence, the number of JUCO player Huggins had to get. It's funny how one DUI conviction can make a guy an instant dirtbag. Wonder if you'd have the same opinion if Mark Prior, Derrek Lee, Matt Murton or Kerry Wood had a DUI? And Manhattan, KS is not a thriving metropolis, but they haven't had problems recruiting in football so I don't think it'll be much different in basketball. The first thing was to get a head coach with name recognition.

 

The best thing is this hire kind of puts Mizzou behind the eight-ball. I hope K-State and every other Big 12 school crushes Mizzou (no offense to TT and the other Mizzou students on here).

[Guest]

I don't understand why people bring up, "He won't win you the big one" when talking about Huggins' hire at KSU. To me, if you say that then you don't get it. KSU b-ball, right now, just wants an upper-tier Big 12 program. They could make the NCAA tourney for the next five years and lose in the first round every year and Huggins' job would be very safe. This isn't UConn, Duke, KU, UCLA, UNC, it's Kansas State. I think it's a good hire for a program wanting to be contenders. Also, Cincinnati, from what I understand, is pretty much a commuter school, so you probably won't get the best student/athletes, anyway. Hence, the number of JUCO player Huggins had to get. It's funny how one DUI conviction can make a guy an instant dirtbag. Wonder if you'd have the same opinion if Mark Prior, Derrek Lee, Matt Murton or Kerry Wood had a DUI? And Manhattan, KS is not a thriving metropolis, but they haven't had problems recruiting in football so I don't think it'll be much different in basketball. The first thing was to get a head coach with name recognition.

 

The best thing is this hire kind of puts Mizzou behind the eight-ball. I hope K-State and every other Big 12 school crushes Mizzou (no offense to TT and the other Mizzou students on here).

 

BINGO! We need someone to GET us to the NCAA tourney before we can even think about winning games in it. You hit the nail on the head. Huggins WILL get us there!

[hawkeyecub]

So Mizzou is interviewing Mike Anderson, right? Would he appear to be their guy right now?

 

Seton Hall fired Louie Orr today and it sounds like Jamie Dixon could be leaving Pitt for Arizona State as people rumored.