SI article on Bonds' steroid use.

[sethuel1]

Vida Blue is the one that supposedly threw a no hitter while on LSD.

 

Actually that was Dock Ellis

 

http://www.gettingit.com/article/691

[OleMissCub]

Yeah but wouldn't taking steroids as a pitcher just help you throw your fastball harder?

 

Most people believe it's greatest benefit would be in the ability to bounce back after an outing.

 

Most pitching steroids help out with recovery time and also quicker reflexes when snapping pitches, etc.

 

My chief suspect of using steroids as a pitcher is Kevin Brown. The types of freaky and oddball injuries that he endures are pretty common among juicers.

[neely crenshaw]

one steroids were not mentioned in the cba as an illegal drug. thus not tested for. they were illegal in the minors

steroids do not make your bat quicker. in many ways because of added bulk, you are slower and less flexible which hurt hitting. your strength is maximized.

do we kick out the players from the 60-70's that used anphetimines to get up for games(not a strength addictive but definitely a performance enhancer) willie mays was the subject of a book that says he used these among others.

my points on weight lifting and supplements was that these changed the game also. same with cortisone. they helped players play better/longer. not like juice but they were not available to early players

steroids were not illegal. neither was dhea,andro or ephdrine. they are all now illegal...do we suspend everyone that used those? do we keep them out of the hall? do we * their records?

 

also with the talk on pitchers, i think you would be surprised at how many pitchers used them. also, do not think that the only guys using them were the hulks like sosa,bonds and mcgwire. look at who has been caught! not exactly anyone looking to enter mr olympia.

finally baseball is a sport based in large part on cheating and tryong to get away with it! spit balls, corked bats (long before sammy) scuffed baseballs, stealing signs, deke plays, balk moves,kicking a ball into the ivy...and even with that steroids were not illegal. unethical probably

part of it is also steroids are looked down on and other things are excepted. that does not make anything more or less wrong.

and my huge point too all this was.... IS THIS A SURPRISE TO ANY ONE IN BASEBALL!? it really should be a non-story. this is a book that alleges what we have all alleged for 3 years.

i am waiting for the break-through book that alleges the story of pete rose gambling on baseball! now that would be a story-lol

[goonys evil twin]

part of it is also steroids are looked down on and other things are excepted. that does not make anything more or less wrong.

 

and my huge point too all this was.... IS THIS A SURPRISE TO ANY ONE IN BASEBALL!? it really should be a non-story.

 

These are two of the most nonsensical arguments in this debate. We can't say steroids are wrong? Yes we can. Why does it have to be a surprise to be something people talk about and act on? Why should it be a non-story. It seems to me like you are advocating a head in the sand approach to the problem or maybe you're of the belief that there is no problem, and steroids are fine and dandy.

[wade]

Vida Blue is the one that supposedly threw a no hitter while on LSD.

 

Actually that was Dock Ellis

 

http://www.gettingit.com/article/691

 

No love for Denny McLean of the Tigers circa late '60's?

[BigbadB]

Vida Blue is the one that supposedly threw a no hitter while on LSD.

 

Actually that was Dock Ellis

 

http://www.gettingit.com/article/691

 

Whoops. You are correct. I still don't remember Vida being a spit ball guy, but maybe he was.

[Careless]

If Pete Rose received a lifetime ban for gambling, then Barry should receive ten. I don't care HOW good he was before he took the roids his actions are irreprehensible. IMO, this means no Cooperstown, no jersey retirement, no anything.

 

Simply put, Barry Bonds is a disease to the human race. He's an ahole, a cheater, a liar, and a downright disgraceful citizen. Playing in the MLB is a privelage, not a right, and for him to have a consistent disregard to the fans, the integrity of the game, and a sense of truth is downright. I CAN'T believe anyone actually rooted for this guy.

 

Unfortunately, steroids weren't against the rules when he was reportedly taking them, so it's hard to justify such a ban for a guy that technically didn't break a rule. The gambling rule was longstanding and well know. The lack of a steroid rule was also longstanding and well known.

The very long espn online/magazine article from last year stated that they were against the rules and went into detail (now forgotten, sorry) about how they were banned going back to something like 1993.

Just looked it up,

• Baseball ignored its own rules about steroids. In 1991, then-Commissioner Fay Vincent effectively put steroids on baseball's list of banned substances in a memo sent to all MLB teams. Baseball could not test for steroids, the memo said, but should a player be caught with steroids, he would be sent for treatment and subject to penalties. This memo was never publicized and, seemingly, was largely ignored by both management and the players' union

the full story is here

[scs_paradise]

http://mchammer.blogspot.com/2006/03/barry-bonds_09.html

 

:!:

 

VLV-

 

Love this from Chris:

 

Yes, he might have taken them (We don't know), but even if he did would that really help if he can hit the ball or not? Wouldn't it just make it go farther?

 

Priceless. Wouldn't it just make the ball go farther? hmmmm.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Bumping this bad boy because another excerpt is being released.

 

Gary Sheffield injected testesterone and HGH according to the book, "Game of Shadows". More info about Jason Giambi is included as well.

[treebird]

Bumping this bad boy because another excerpt is being released.

 

Gary Sheffield injected testesterone and HGH according to the book, "Game of Shadows". More info about Jason Giambi is included as well.

 

COME ON EVERYONE, TIME TO STEP UP

 

who wants the "i hope you shred your knee, garoid" signature?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Bumping this bad boy because another excerpt is being released.

 

Gary Sheffield injected testesterone and HGH according to the book, "Game of Shadows". More info about Jason Giambi is included as well.

 

COME ON EVERYONE, TIME TO STEP UP

 

who wants the "i hope you shred your knee, garoid" signature?

 

No assembly required

 

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/cubsfan_05/steroidfield.jpg

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The authors of the book Game of Shadows are doing an online chat at http://www.espn.com at 1:45 CST.

 

You can sumbit questions here.

[Chocolate Milk]

Bumping this bad boy because another excerpt is being released.

 

Gary Sheffield injected testesterone and HGH according to the book, "Game of Shadows". More info about Jason Giambi is included as well.

 

COME ON EVERYONE, TIME TO STEP UP

 

who wants the "i hope you shred your knee, garoid" signature?

 

No assembly required

 

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/cubsfan_05/steroidfield.jpg

 

Hahahahahaha.

[Soul]

:lol: :lol:

 

I literally didn't read a single post on this thread, just saw the Steroidfield pic.

 

That was funny 8)