NSBB 2006 NCAA Mock Selection Committee

[Mark_R]

So THAT is where I made my mistake, argh!

 

I think I have both Hampton and Delaware State in there. If you realize who I forgot to include, please remove Delaware State for them, thanks.

 

That took a looooooooooong time to figure out.

[SouthSideRyan]

Well no team lower than an 8 seed has ever won the tournament either. Might as well trim the tournament cause obviously those at-larges below them have no chance to win the tourney.

 

And why is that? How many Mid-Major schools have even made it to the Final 4? You would think one would have gone that far sooner or later.

 

Let's see...Marquette made it 3 years ago as a member of Conference USA. Maybe that doesn't count.

 

Kent State made the Elite Eight in 2002. Gonzaga made it in 2000. Indiana State made the final game back in 1979, too, if the Elite Eight isn't far enough to be considered "far".

 

Not letting teams get in unless they've "been there before" is quite the catch-22.

 

I don't consider Conference USA as Mid-Major when it comes to basketball and I don't consider the Elite 8 the Final 4 as I stated. You are right about Indiana St and they had to go back to 79 which is 27 years ago.

 

The top teams have been in and haven't gone far so why let the middle teams go to the 65?

 

When was the last time the 7th and 8th place team in a power conference made the final 4? The idea that they haven't been very good in previous years, so they should be precluded this year is ridiculous.

 

The difference is that the 7th or 8th place teams have proven they could go to the final 4 in other years while MM's have none of theirs go.

 

Do you honestly think Cincinatti has a snowball's chance in hell of making the Final 4?

 

You're changing the argument. A 7th or 8th, and I'm pretty damn sure 6th place team in any conference has never gone to the final 4. Might as well limit it to only the top 5 teams per conference. The fact that DePaul wasn't an embarrassment 10 years ago has nothing to do with whether they're worthy of the tourney should they put up a 500 record one of these years. Hell, there's teams in BCS conferences that have never made a final 4, guess they should never get the chance either. They haven't proven themselves. Let's just have a tournament at the end of the year with every former Final 4 team, and nobody else. That'll teach them for not being basketball factories.

[bukie]

2 more hours to get your 65 teams to me if you haven't done so yet. I have 4 entries so far.

[bukie]

Haven't received new entries yet, so I'll just go with what I have.

[bukie]

Well, of the entries we have, here is a preliminary seeding (not going to have enough time to make sure it obeys all the rules, this is just a strict S-curve):

 

Top seed: Duke

 

Duke bracket:

 

1. Duke

16. Play in- Monmouth vs. Southern

8. Kentucky

9. Arizona

4. Michigan State

13. Xavier

5. Boston College

12. Wisconsin Milwaukee

2. Illinois

15. South Alabama

7. Syracuse

10. George Mason

3. UCLA

14. Penn

6. Georgetown

11. UNC Wilmington

 

Memphis bracket:

1. Memphis

16. Hampton

8. Wichita State

9. UAB

4. LSU

13. San Diego State

5. Kansas

12. Kent State

2. Ohio State

15. Pacific

7. Wisconsin

10. NC State

3. Pittsburgh

14. Murray State

6. George Washington

11. Cincinnati

 

Connecticut bracket:

1. Connecticut

16. Albany

8. Nevada

9. Missouri State

4. Florida

13. Winthrop

5. Oklahoma

12. California

2. North Carolina

15. Oral Roberts

7. Indiana

10. Bucknell

3. Gonzaga

14. Northwestern State

6. Washington

11. Texas A&M

 

Villanova bracket:

1. Villanova

16. Belmont

8. Southern Illinois

9. Arkansas

4. Tennessee

13. Iona

5. West Virginia

12. Alabama

2. Texas

15. Davidson

7. Northern Iowa

10. Bradley

3. Iowa

14. Montana

6. Marquette

11. Hofstra

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Sorry about not getting the last entry in Bukie, time escapes me sometimes.

 

Surprised that MSU got up to a 4 seed in our bracket, most things I've seen have them as a 5 or maybe a 6.

[bukie]

Sorry about not getting the last entry in Bukie, time escapes me sometimes.

 

Surprised that MSU got up to a 4 seed in our bracket, most things I've seen have them as a 5 or maybe a 6.

 

Yeah, BC and MSU were really close, and I wouldn't be surprised at all in the real rankings if BC were a 4 and MSU a 5.

 

I pretty much agree with the rankings of everything else.

 

Incidentally, our lowest at-large teams are Cal and Alabama.

[UMFan83]

Yay, no Michigan, I guess you all agree that they didn't deserve it

[bukie]

Also of note is our bracket differs from Lunardi's by 2 teams: He has Seton Hall and Florida State in, with Missouri State and Hofstra out.

 

Stewart Mandel has Seton Hall and Creighton in, with George Mason and Hofstra out.

 

Gregg Doyel has Seton Hall in, and Missouri State out.

 

Tony Mejia has Seton Hall in, and Cincy out.

 

Jerry Palm has Houston and Creighton in, with George Mason and Hofstra out.

 

I believe Digger has Maryland, Florida State, Wake Forest, Miami, and Seton Hall in, forfeiting all MVC and CAA bids.

[bukie]

Yay, no Michigan, I guess you all agree that they didn't deserve it

 

They are very close, but their finish was bad, and the loss to Minnesota to leave the committee with was bad.

 

Second to last team out of our bracket.

[CuseCubFan69]

When was the last time the 7th and 8th place team in a power conference made the final 4? The idea that they haven't been very good in previous years, so they should be precluded this year is ridiculous.

 

The difference is that the 7th or 8th place teams have proven they could go to the final 4 in other years while MM's have none of theirs go.

 

Do you honestly think Cincinatti has a snowball's chance in hell of making the Final 4?

 

You're changing the argument. A 7th or 8th, and I'm pretty damn sure 6th place team in any conference has never gone to the final 4. Might as well limit it to only the top 5 teams per conference. The fact that DePaul wasn't an embarrassment 10 years ago has nothing to do with whether they're worthy of the tourney should they put up a 500 record one of these years. Hell, there's teams in BCS conferences that have never made a final 4, guess they should never get the chance either. They haven't proven themselves. Let's just have a tournament at the end of the year with every former Final 4 team, and nobody else. That'll teach them for not being basketball factories.

 

What BCS conference hasn't had a team in the final 4 since 2000? I'm not saying they shouldn't get the chance....what I'm saying is that these MM's do not prove it on the court. The computers and voters can say what they want but as I said earlier, do it on the court and prove you deserve to play there.

 

What I'd like to know is why you think playing Creighton and Missouri State is like playing Illinois and Ohio State? The RPI top 50 considers those games in the same light and I think that is a joke. If you put Michigan, S Hall, Cinci, or Kentucky in a MM I'll bet you any amount of cyber money they would have had a heck of a lot better record than they did while playing in a major conference.

 

My point was that Cinci has been to the final 4 and many of the top half teams in the major conferences have been there while the MM's altogether haven't been there since 1979. MM's are like a cute puppy, they are nice to look at and they can bite another dog once in a while and it'll be cute but when push comes to shove the Big Dogs just tear them apart over and over again.

[CuseCubFan69]

If Ohio State wins the tournament I don't see why they wouldn't get a #1 seed. I thought the Big 10 was "RPI" wise the best conference in college basketball?

[bukie]

If Ohio State wins the tournament I don't see why they wouldn't get a #1 seed. I thought the Big 10 was "RPI" wise the best conference in college basketball?

 

Mostly because of having 7 teams in the top 40 for most of the year (Michigan just slipped below 40), and just one team outside the top 105 (Purdue). There was a lack of a dominant team, but a lot of really good teams.

 

EDIT: I see Ohio State and Memphis in the same bracket in an hour. Not sure who's going to end up being the 1 seed and who will be the 2 seed.

[bukie]

What BCS conference hasn't had a team in the final 4 since 2000? I'm not saying they shouldn't get the chance....what I'm saying is that these MM's do not prove it on the court. The computers and voters can say what they want but as I said earlier, do it on the court and prove you deserve to play there.

 

So, then the SEC deserves just their auto bid, since they haven't made the Final Four since 2000.

[CuseCubFan69]

What BCS conference hasn't had a team in the final 4 since 2000? I'm not saying they shouldn't get the chance....what I'm saying is that these MM's do not prove it on the court. The computers and voters can say what they want but as I said earlier, do it on the court and prove you deserve to play there.

 

So, then the SEC deserves just their auto bid, since they haven't made the Final Four since 2000.

 

That's probably why they were on Jefferson Pilot. :D

 

2000 is still a lot better than 1979 and since 1979 how many SEC teams have won it all and been on the Final 4?

 

Let me say that I have a lot of respect for the Bucknell's and Gonzaga's and they have wonderful basketball programs and have the capability to beat any team in the tournament but they can't win 4 in a row.

[UK1679666180]

What BCS conference hasn't had a team in the final 4 since 2000? I'm not saying they shouldn't get the chance....what I'm saying is that these MM's do not prove it on the court. The computers and voters can say what they want but as I said earlier, do it on the court and prove you deserve to play there.

 

So, then the SEC deserves just their auto bid, since they haven't made the Final Four since 2000.

 

That's probably why they were on Jefferson Pilot. :D

 

2000 is still a lot better than 1979 and since 1979 how many SEC teams have won it all and been on the Final 4?

 

Let me say that I have a lot of respect for the Bucknell's and Gonzaga's and they have wonderful basketball programs and have the capability to beat any team in the tournament but they can't win 4 in a row.

 

96' ring a bell? :)

[bukie]

96' ring a bell? :)

 

96-97-98, I believe it was, for UK in the Final game, right?

 

Or was 97 a FF loss to Zona?

[Outshined_One]

Atlanta bracket looks like it's going to be a madhouse.

[bukie]

Wow, Syracuse gets the Maryland treatment, going from bubble to 5 seed over the weekend.

 

Granted, it was a great weekend.

[Productive Outs]

96' ring a bell? :)

 

96-97-98, I believe it was, for UK in the Final game, right?

 

Or was 97 a FF loss to Zona?

 

'97 was a loss to arizona in the championship game. don't forget our two elite eight appearances in the past five years either :P

 

syracuse with a #5? i think that's a bit high.

[Outshined_One]

UCLA got a 2 seed and Gonzaga got a 3 seed?

 

Huh?

[bukie]

Bradley in! At least some respect for the MVC so far.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That Oakland bracket is weak.

[bukie]

Wow. Seton Hall, Utah State, AND Air Force all in, in the same bracket.

 

Illinois down to a 4 seed.

[wekse]

tennessee at 2? what the hell is the selection committee on?