NSBB 2006 NCAA Mock Selection Committee

[Derwood]

Yeah, Jay Bilas is on tv right now, and he's PISSED. He said Air Force and UAB are not deserving because they haven't beaten ANYONE outside of their conference (he emphasized that word, so I will to). They got in despite not playing anyone outside of their conference, but Florida State got snubbed for that very reason. He's also upset (as is everyone else) that Cincinnati didn't get in.

 

Seedings are horrible this year.

 

I hear the point about Cincy, but could you really add a 9th Big East team? Basically they are out thanks to Syracuse running the table.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Illinois is in a brutal bracket. No way they make the Final Four. None.

 

No kidding. They have to go to San Diego with 3 other west coast teams in their pod. Air Force is a good 13 seed to draw, but they got an awful draw.

[CuseCubFan69]

I agree that Air Force shouldn't be in. I disagree that UAB are not deserving. UAB is 24-6 and has won 21 of their last 25 games (the losses were @Minnesota, @Memphis, @UTEP which is a tough place to play, and @Memphis in the C-USA Tourney final).

 

The reason FSU got snubbed out is becuase of their SOS. 316 out of 317 NCAA D-I schools. That's awful, and FSU should be out, rightfully so.

 

Now, I think Missouri St. got jobbed. Did they deserve to get in over Air Force and Utah State? I would think so.

 

Who did Missouri St. beat?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What seed did Mizzou wind up getting?

 

Apple.

 

Air Force's best wins were Georgia Tech and another bottom Big Conference team. The committee just proved my point that I made earlier, MM's get credit for beating average or below average BCS conference teams while BCS teams don't get credit doing the same thing.

 

Air Force doesn't deserve to be in the tournament. Don't paint with a broad brush in regards to the mid-majors. Several of them had resumes deserving of an at large that were much better than Air Force.

[USSoccer]

Just my two cents, but the seedings are a joke (how does Cuse go from on the verge of being left out to a 5 seed based on 4 tourney games, and what did Gonzaga do to deserve a 3 over a 2 seed?) and they left out teams they should have put in.

 

Aren't they supposed to take the best 36 teams, and not the best 20 plus some 20 win mid-majors?

[CuseCubFan69]

Yeah, Jay Bilas is on tv right now, and he's PISSED. He said Air Force and UAB are not deserving because they haven't beaten ANYONE outside of their conference (he emphasized that word, so I will to). They got in despite not playing anyone outside of their conference, but Florida State got snubbed for that very reason. He's also upset (as is everyone else) that Cincinnati didn't get in.

 

Seedings are horrible this year.

 

I hear the point about Cincy, but could you really add a 9th Big East team? Basically they are out thanks to Syracuse running the table.

 

What difference does it make what conference a team is from? Cincy is better than Air Force and IMO should have been in. You have to compare Cincy and Air Force not Cincy and Syracuse.

[Coach C]

I agree that Air Force shouldn't be in. I disagree that UAB are not deserving. UAB is 24-6 and has won 21 of their last 25 games (the losses were @Minnesota, @Memphis, @UTEP which is a tough place to play, and @Memphis in the C-USA Tourney final).

 

The reason FSU got snubbed out is becuase of their SOS. 316 out of 317 NCAA D-I schools. That's awful, and FSU should be out, rightfully so.

 

Now, I think Missouri St. got jobbed. Did they deserve to get in over Air Force and Utah State? I would think so.

 

Who did Missouri St. beat?

 

Nobody, and I'm aware of that. I'm just saying, if you have the choice of either AF, FSU, or Missouri St, which one would you pick?

[Derwood]

Illinois is in a brutal bracket. No way they make the Final Four. None.

 

No kidding. They have to go to San Diego with 3 other west coast teams in their pod. Air Force is a good 13 seed to draw, but they got an awful draw.

 

and if they make it out of there, it's UConn, Tennessee and UNC all possibilities. Yikes.

 

I can't wait until 9pm EST for the NIT picks. Too bad I don't have ESPNU :cry:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I agree that Air Force shouldn't be in. I disagree that UAB are not deserving. UAB is 24-6 and has won 21 of their last 25 games (the losses were @Minnesota, @Memphis, @UTEP which is a tough place to play, and @Memphis in the C-USA Tourney final).

 

The reason FSU got snubbed out is becuase of their SOS. 316 out of 317 NCAA D-I schools. That's awful, and FSU should be out, rightfully so.

 

Now, I think Missouri St. got jobbed. Did they deserve to get in over Air Force and Utah State? I would think so.

 

Who did Missouri St. beat?

 

SMS didn't make it for two reasons. They had their chance against the RPI top 50 and didn't capitalize(4-8). Plus they lost in the first round of their conference tourney when they knew they were lumped into the bubble with the other MVC teams.

Edited March 13, 2006 by Transmogrified Tiger

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I hear the point about Cincy, but could you really add a 9th Big East team? Basically they are out thanks to Syracuse running the table.

 

They're not supposed to look at how many teams a conference is getting. They're supposed to pick the 34 best teams that didn't receive an automatic bid. You can't penalize a team because 8 other teams in their conference were also good.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Just my two cents, but the seedings are a joke (how does Cuse go from on the verge of being left out to a 5 seed based on 4 tourney games, and what did Gonzaga do to deserve a 3 over a 2 seed?) and they left out teams they should have put in.

 

They played one hell of a tournament. The committee looks at your last ten games pretty closely. They also won four games in four days in probably the best conference, beating ranked teams (including the #1 team in the country) almost the entire way. I thought they'd get a 6 seed, but a 5 isn't that far off.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

[CuseCubFan69]

Just my two cents, but the seedings are a joke (how does Cuse go from on the verge of being left out to a 5 seed based on 4 tourney games, and what did Gonzaga do to deserve a 3 over a 2 seed?) and they left out teams they should have put in.

 

Aren't they supposed to take the best 36 teams, and not the best 20 plus some 20 win mid-majors?

 

I plan on putting in at least a dollar when it comes to this!

 

I thought Syracuse should be a 6 seed but 5 is the highest I think they should have gotten and I can see why it's puzzling to people.

 

I don't understand the 20 win M-M teams in either.

[Derwood]

I hear the point about Cincy, but could you really add a 9th Big East team? Basically they are out thanks to Syracuse running the table.

 

They're not supposed to look at how many teams a conference is getting. They're supposed to pick the 34 best teams that didn't receive an automatic bid. You can't penalize a team because 8 other teams in their conference were also good.

 

True, but to play Devil's Advocate here, Cincy went 8-8 in the Big East, but only two of those wins (Marquette and W. Virginia) were teams above them in the standings. The other 6 wins were against DePaul, S. Florida, Providence, etc. Their only quality non-conference win was against LSU, with losses to Memphis and Dayton (who they played twice :shock: ) and Xavier.

[CuseCubFan69]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

[Coach C]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

Air Force at least has wins against Miami and and Georgia Tech, two decent power conference teams. I think they key difference is that while they lost their last game, they didn't get blown out, like SMS did, I'm guessing. *shrug*

 

Of course, Georgia Tech was terrible. If that's the criteria, Creighton should be in. They beat Nebraska, a final four Big XII tourney team, by 26 points.

Edited March 13, 2006 by Coach C

[CuseCubFan69]

I hear the point about Cincy, but could you really add a 9th Big East team? Basically they are out thanks to Syracuse running the table.

 

They're not supposed to look at how many teams a conference is getting. They're supposed to pick the 34 best teams that didn't receive an automatic bid. You can't penalize a team because 8 other teams in their conference were also good.

 

True, but to play Devil's Advocate here, Cincy went 8-8 in the Big East, but only two of those wins (Marquette and W. Virginia) were teams above them in the standings. The other 6 wins were against DePaul, S. Florida, Providence, etc. Their only quality non-conference win was against LSU, with losses to Memphis and Dayton (who they played twice :shock: ) and Xavier.

 

Does Air Force have better quality wins than LSU, WV and Marquette?

[CuseCubFan69]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

Air Force at least has wins against Miami and and Georgia Tech, two decent power conference teams. I think they key difference is that while they lost their last game, they didn't get blown out, like SMS did, I'm guessing. *shrug*

 

I get a kick out of that. A M-M plays 2 average or below average ACC teams and get more credit than Florida St does for beating Duke and going over 500 in the ACC. I'm not arguing with you coach about this justwondering how the committee came to the conclusion on how Air Force is better than Cincy, Florida St, Michigan or Missouri St.

[Derwood]

I hear the point about Cincy, but could you really add a 9th Big East team? Basically they are out thanks to Syracuse running the table.

 

They're not supposed to look at how many teams a conference is getting. They're supposed to pick the 34 best teams that didn't receive an automatic bid. You can't penalize a team because 8 other teams in their conference were also good.

 

True, but to play Devil's Advocate here, Cincy went 8-8 in the Big East, but only two of those wins (Marquette and W. Virginia) were teams above them in the standings. The other 6 wins were against DePaul, S. Florida, Providence, etc. Their only quality non-conference win was against LSU, with losses to Memphis and Dayton (who they played twice :shock: ) and Xavier.

 

Does Air Force have better quality wins than LSU, WV and Marquette?

 

I'm not arguing that Air Force deserves it over Cincy. I'm just stating that Cincy is not some obvious choice for the tourney.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

I already said Air Force doesn't belong in.

[Coach C]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

Air Force at least has wins against Miami and and Georgia Tech, two decent power conference teams. I think they key difference is that while they lost their last game, they didn't get blown out, like SMS did, I'm guessing. *shrug*

 

I get a kick out of that. A M-M plays 2 average or below average ACC teams and get more credit than Florida St does for beating Duke and going over 500 in the ACC. I'm not arguing with you coach about this justwondering how the committee came to the conclusion on how Air Force is better than Cincy, Florida St, Michigan or Missouri St.

 

I know you're not arguing with me, and I'm not doing that to you as well. It's just good discussion that we're having. It's just that this whole selection thing made both of us, along with several other people scratch our heads, thinking "WTH is going on here?"

 

I think Cincy should had been in instead of AF.

 

Record in last 10 games:

Air Force 7-3 (it's nice that you were able to pull off one of those three games against Wyoming, by a single point at home)

Utah State 7-3 (congrats on those hard-fought single-possession wins over Boise State and San Jose State)

Cincinnati 5-5 (all five losses to NCAA teams, four of them to teams seeded 5 or higher)

[Derwood]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

Air Force at least has wins against Miami and and Georgia Tech, two decent power conference teams. I think they key difference is that while they lost their last game, they didn't get blown out, like SMS did, I'm guessing. *shrug*

 

I get a kick out of that. A M-M plays 2 average or below average ACC teams and get more credit than Florida St does for beating Duke and going over 500 in the ACC. I'm not arguing with you coach about this justwondering how the committee came to the conclusion on how Air Force is better than Cincy, Florida St, Michigan or Missouri St.

 

and despite the non-conference light-weights, how is FSU's SOS so bad when they have to play over 1/2 their games against the ACC?

[CuseCubFan69]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

I already said Air Force doesn't belong in.

 

Sorry...I'm just enjoying the tournament talk and kind of hyper.

[CuseCubFan69]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

Air Force at least has wins against Miami and and Georgia Tech, two decent power conference teams. I think they key difference is that while they lost their last game, they didn't get blown out, like SMS did, I'm guessing. *shrug*

 

I get a kick out of that. A M-M plays 2 average or below average ACC teams and get more credit than Florida St does for beating Duke and going over 500 in the ACC. I'm not arguing with you coach about this justwondering how the committee came to the conclusion on how Air Force is better than Cincy, Florida St, Michigan or Missouri St.

 

and despite the non-conference light-weights, how is FSU's SOS so bad when they have to play over 1/2 their games against the ACC?

 

Because the ACC was down this year. I agree that Florida St should play tougher teams out of conference and left their fate to the committee Gods.

[Coach C]

Cincy didn't have a very strong resume. 12 losses, 4-8 v. RPI top 50, 5-5 in their last 10, 5-8 Road/Neutral, plus losing in the first round of their conference tourney.

 

They played tougher top 50 teams than Air Force did and lost to the eventual BE champion in the last second. Show me how Air Force is better.

 

Air Force at least has wins against Miami and and Georgia Tech, two decent power conference teams. I think they key difference is that while they lost their last game, they didn't get blown out, like SMS did, I'm guessing. *shrug*

 

I get a kick out of that. A M-M plays 2 average or below average ACC teams and get more credit than Florida St does for beating Duke and going over 500 in the ACC. I'm not arguing with you coach about this justwondering how the committee came to the conclusion on how Air Force is better than Cincy, Florida St, Michigan or Missouri St.

 

and despite the non-conference light-weights, how is FSU's SOS so bad when they have to play over 1/2 their games against the ACC?

 

I'm guessing it's becuase they are scheduling teams that are very very weak, like Alcorn State, Louisiana Monroe, Texas Southern, Bowling Green, Stetson, and Campbell.