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Justice Finally (FKA- Reyes Vs. Ponson )

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Andy GOAT

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you do know that this fat bastard is going to own us, dont you?

No, no, you're not quite right...it's only crappy lefties and rookies that own us

CaliforniaRaisin GOAT

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you do know that this fat bastard is going to own us, dont you?

No, no, you're not quite right...it's only crappy lefties and rookies that own us

 

Don't worry, Ponson ate one of each this spring.

 

The Cardinals are believed likely to option Reyes to Class AAA Memphis, where they would like him to complement a riding four-seam fastball with a sinking two-seamer.

 

 

The link to the story is here here.

 

From reading scouting reports, I thought he already had been working on that sinking two-seamer last year?

 

EDIT (from BA):

 

He pitches consistently at 92-93 mph and occasionally reaches into the mid-90s, and his slider and changeup are effective complements to his fastball. His changeup has late sink and improved significantly as the season went on. He also worked on getting more movement on his fastball and began using a two-seamer effectively to get more sink.
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If the Cards can afford the luxury of allowing Reyes to develop yet another weapon without having the pressure to win at the big-league level, I have no problem with it, especially considering how effective Wainwright has been. With Wainwright looking ready to go, and Reyes waiting in the wings, I have to believe that Ponson will be on a pretty short leash.
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If the Cards can afford the luxury of allowing Reyes to develop yet another weapon without having the pressure to win at the big-league level, I have no problem with it, especially considering how effective Wainwright has been. With Wainwright looking ready to go, and Reyes waiting in the wings, I have to believe that Ponson will be on a pretty short leash.

 

The leash is only short because he's been snacking on it.

Andy GOAT

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-----> Disappointed.

 

I wanted him to have a spring like last year and make it almost impossible to send him down. Oh well. There are worse problems to have in ST.

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SouthSideRyan MVP

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If the Cards can afford the luxury of allowing Reyes to develop yet another weapon without having the pressure to win at the big-league level, I have no problem with it, especially considering how effective Wainwright has been. With Wainwright looking ready to go, and Reyes waiting in the wings, I have to believe that Ponson will be on a pretty short leash.

 

Let me also cast my vote in support of Adam Wainwright wasting starts this year.

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If the Cards can afford the luxury of allowing Reyes to develop yet another weapon without having the pressure to win at the big-league level, I have no problem with it, especially considering how effective Wainwright has been. With Wainwright looking ready to go, and Reyes waiting in the wings, I have to believe that Ponson will be on a pretty short leash.

 

Let me also cast my vote in support of Adam Wainwright wasting starts this year.

 

What do you mean "wasting"?

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waste (v)

 

# To use, consume, spend, or expend thoughtlessly or carelessly.

To fail to take advantage of or use for profit; lose: waste an opportunity.

 

How does that apply to Wainwright or Reyes? Unless you think they'd be more effective than Ponson (which you don't have much evidence of... if any), then nothing is being "wasted". In Reyes' case, he'll be working on a new weapon. In Wainwright's case, he could be helping in the bullpen.

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minnesotacubsfan

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waste (v)

 

# To use, consume, spend, or expend thoughtlessly or carelessly.

To fail to take advantage of or use for profit; lose: waste an opportunity.

 

How does that apply to Wainwright or Reyes? Unless you think they'd be more effective than Ponson (which you don't have much evidence of... if any), then nothing is being "wasted". In Reyes' case, he'll be working on a new weapon. In Wainwright's case, he could be helping in the bullpen.

 

I think anyone witha 6.21 ERA is a "waste of time" in MLB...buuuutttt I'm glad he's with the Cards!!!!!

 

 

 

 

:D

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waste (v)

 

# To use, consume, spend, or expend thoughtlessly or carelessly.

To fail to take advantage of or use for profit; lose: waste an opportunity.

 

How does that apply to Wainwright or Reyes? Unless you think they'd be more effective than Ponson (which you don't have much evidence of... if any), then nothing is being "wasted". In Reyes' case, he'll be working on a new weapon. In Wainwright's case, he could be helping in the bullpen.

 

I think anyone witha 6.21 ERA is a "waste of time" in MLB...buuuutttt I'm glad he's with the Cards!!!!!

 

 

 

 

:D

 

It's 4.52. Not bad for a 5th starter, really.

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Laugh it up, he has a decent chance to have a better VORP than all your starters expect Z.

 

 

!!!!

 

 

are you sure? that seems abit far-fetched, although I dont have the #'s and dont have the time to run the 3's.......

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Laugh it up, he has a decent chance to have a better VORP than all your starters expect Z.

 

Oh really...

 

 

Sidney Ponson ERA+ last three years.

2003: 115

2004: 90

2005: 67

 

Jerome Williams

2003: 130

2004: 105

2005: 100

 

Comments: Williams best year is better than Ponson and even in his worst year, he was league average.

 

Greg Maddux

2003: 105

2004: 113

2005: 101

 

Comments: Maddux is declining, but is still league average. Something Ponson has only accomplished once in the past three years.

 

Glendon Rusch

2003: 68

2004: 131

2005: 94

 

Comments: Rusch sucks, and yet his worst year was still better than Ponson's worse year. "[expletive]'" horrible year came three years ago. Ponson's was in his most recent season. Rusch's best year was better than Ponson's best year, and Rusch's median year also was better than Ponson's median year.

 

The only spot Ponson is likely to be better than the Cubs is against the emergency fifth starter. Even then, I'd rather go with Hill, Marshall, or Guzman over Ponson. His track record is that of a below average pitcher and a few spring performances doesn't change that.

 

What Ponson has a decent chance or better than decent chance is to be a below average pitcher for a number of starts. He's likely to put up an ERA somewhere around 4.67-5.15. He has a "slim" chance of outperforming Rusch and the Cubs' fifth starter. He has almost no chance of outperforming 4/5 of the Cubs rotation.

 

Saying so would be like me saying Jacque Jones has a decent chance of out performing the entire Cardinals hitters except Pujols. It could happen, but the chances of it are as about as likely as your statement about Ponson coming true.

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Laugh it up, he has a decent chance to have a better VORP than all your starters expect Z.

 

Oh really...

 

 

Sidney Ponson ERA+ last three years.

2003: 115

2004: 90

2005: 67

 

Jerome Williams

2003: 130

2004: 105

2005: 100

 

Comments: Williams best year is better than Ponson and even in his worst year, he was league average.

 

Greg Maddux

2003: 105

2004: 113

2005: 101

 

Comments: Maddux is declining, but is still league average. Something Ponson has only accomplished once in the past three years.

 

Glendon Rusch

2003: 68

2004: 131

2005: 94

 

Comments: Rusch sucks, and yet his worst year was still better than Ponson's worse year. "[expletive]'" horrible year came three years ago. Ponson's was in his most recent season. Rusch's best year was better than Ponson's best year, and Rusch's median year also was better than Ponson's median year.

 

The only spot Ponson is likely to be better than the Cubs is against the emergency fifth starter. Even then, I'd rather go with Hill, Marshall, or Guzman over Ponson. His track record is that of a below average pitcher and a few spring performances doesn't change that.

 

What Ponson has a decent chance or better than decent chance is to be a below average pitcher for a number of starts. He's likely to put up an ERA somewhere around 4.67-5.15. He has a "slim" chance of outperforming Rusch and the Cubs' fifth starter. He has almost no chance of outperforming 4/5 of the Cubs rotation.

 

Saying so would be like me saying Jacque Jones has a decent chance of out performing the entire Cardinals hitters except Pujols. It could happen, but the chances of it are as about as likely as your statement about Ponson coming true.

 

 

ouch.

 

man, I'm glad the Cards have him..........

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