im sick of hearing

[rjchapma]

Im sick of hearing the damn brew crew up so high on peoples list. Yeah they are a decent team, but at best they are 3rd in the NL Central Cards are gonna win the division. If we stay semi healthy then we will finish two the stros and the brew crew will compete with each other for the number 3 spot. Honestly check out there team. Its not better than the cubs even when we do have guys hurt. People are thinking way to highly of Doug Davis, Brady Clark, and all of there young players. I mean yeah the young guys could do well, but they havent done anything yet so please wait until they actually do something to be so high on them. In my eyes they have 2 good players Carlos Lee and Ben Sheets the other guys aren't that good, but who knows well see what happens stranger things have happened.

[goonys evil twin]

Honestly check out there team. Its not better than the cubs even when we do have guys hurt. People are thinking way to highly of Doug Davis, Brady Clark, and all of there young players. I mean yeah the young guys could do well, but they havent done anything yet so please wait until they actually do something to be so high on them.

 

They had a better record than the Cubs last year. They could easily do the same this year.

 

Why should people wait for the team to prove itself before predicting that they may do well? That line of thinking would mean you could never pick the underdog, and really only pick last year's division winners to all repeat. I mean really, what exactly have the Cubs proven to say they will definitely be better than MIL?

 

Personally I think the Cubs should and will outpace the Brewers this year. But I think it's absurd to get upset at people for thinking otherwise.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think the Brewers have just as many, if not more, ifs going into next season. I think they could finish anywhere between 1st and 4th, but that 1-2 finish involves their young players playing over their heads. I think they're still a couple of years away from contending, but they're not to be taken lightly.

[goonys evil twin]

I think the Brewers have just as many, if not more, ifs going into next season. I think they could finish anywhere between 1st and 4th, but that 1-2 finish involves their young players playing over their heads. I think they're still a couple of years away from contending, but they're not to be taken lightly.

 

I wouldn't say the young players have to play over their heads. What they have to do is all play at the upper end of their ranges. Over their heads would be Rickie Weeks hitting like Ryne Sandberg at his peek, or Prince Fielder contending for the MVP. Those guys don't have to be that good for the Brewers to contend. But you are right, they need an awful lot to go right, more than the Cubs.

[abuck1220]

Honestly check out there team. Its not better than the cubs even when we do have guys hurt.

 

last year's standings say different.

 

People are thinking way to highly of Doug Davis, Brady Clark, and all of there young players. I mean yeah the young guys could do well, but they havent done anything yet so please wait until they actually do something to be so high on them.

 

actually guys like clark, davis, and turnbow have done something...much, much more than cedeno or murton, that's for sure.

 

why should we give the benefit of the doubt to the cubs' young guys (murton, cedeno), iffy veterans coming off bad years (jones, pierre), and guys coming off unusually good years (howry, dempster, lee, neifi, eyre) but not the brewers'?

[rjchapma]

im not sayin that we will win the division or anything i just think that people shouldnt be so high on a team that on paper doesnt look much better than us. Like i said well see what happens i def could be wrong. I like your guys points about the Brew Crew im just not a fan

Sorry!

[goonys evil twin]

im not sayin that we will win the division or anything i just think that people shouldnt be so high on a team that on paper doesnt look much better than us. Like i said well see what happens i def could be wrong. I like your guys points about the Brew Crew im just not a fan

Sorry!

 

Are people really that high? I think I've seen one person predict them winning the division. Lots of people think they will improve on their .500 season and give the Cubs a run for their money. What exactly is wrong with that?

[rjchapma]

Its more my roomate hes a huge fan of them and when i asked him to give me ligitimate reasons he couldnt give me any. He said he just likes the team. Theres nothing wrong im just not a fan of them and i wanted to hear your guys opinions

[rjchapma]

I actually didnt mean to start a new topic

sorry!!!!!!

I respect your guys opinions though

[Roast]

In my eyes they have 2 good players Carlos Lee and Ben Sheets the other guys aren't that good, but who knows well see what happens stranger things have happened.

 

Prince Fielder?

 

Chris Capuano?

 

 

Also, what players did we have in 98 again?

[Guest]

In my eyes they have 2 good players Carlos Lee and Ben Sheets the other guys aren't that good, but who knows well see what happens stranger things have happened.

 

Prince Fielder?

 

Chris Capuano?

 

 

Also, what players did we have in 98 again?

Rickie Weeks and JJ Hardy should form a pretty good/cheap/young middle infield, as well. Corey Koskie will be decent at thrid base, as well.

 

The Brewers should be decent this season with the prospect of getting even better as their young core of players matures.

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

In my eyes they have 2 good players Carlos Lee and Ben Sheets the other guys aren't that good, but who knows well see what happens stranger things have happened.

 

Prince Fielder?

 

Chris Capuano?

 

 

Also, what players did we have in 98 again?

 

Meh, I don't know about Prince, he is a "potential star" he will certainly have the chance this year as he will replace Overbay.

 

Cappy is a good pitcher, heck I think he won 17 games. I think they have other "good" players ... just on paper I still think the Cubs are better!

 

That being said, the Cubs on paper in 04 should have been WS champs!

 

GO CUBS!

[Ender]

I'll give you the optimistic view on the Brewers, the every thing goes right view.

 

C - Miller/Moeller - Not much to love here but they are capable of a .730 or so OPS with average defense.

 

1B - Fielder is capable of an .800+ OPS even in his rookie year. He has the plate discipline and power to be a .900 OPS player.

 

2B - Weeks has the speed and power combo to put up Soriano style numbers, unfortunately he has the same defensive profile as well.

 

SS - Weeks was the 4th best SS in baseball in the 2nd half of last year. He could end up being the best pure hitting SS in the NL next year.

 

3B - Koskie/Hall has the potential to be the 4th or 5th best 3B combo in the NL next year.

 

Of - Clark, Jenkins, Lee is one of the better OF's in the NL. None of them are superstars but there is no major weakness in that setup though its below average on defense.

 

SP - Sheets is a complete stud when healthy, compares to ANY of the cubs starters even a healthy Prior. Davis is an ok #2. Capuano is an ok #3. Okha and Bush make a strong 4/5. The rotation is good but not amazing (this is where the cubs need to beat the Brewers as they could have the best rotation in baseball when healthy).

 

RP - The bullpen could go either way, its going to be built on pretty low profile players but its been a strength of the team the past few years with the same type setup.

 

 

There is no reason the team can't win 90 games if everything bounces there way. Odds are it won't and they'll be in the 81-85 range but I think you are selling them short if you don't think its possible that they contend for the playoffs.

[Outshined_One]

There's a bit too much youth and questions about their rotation to make me think they're as much of a shoe-in to win the division as some people seem to think. They remind me a LOT of the Arizona Cardinals in terms of youth and hype they're getting. There's a ton of potential all around, especially from Prince Fielder and Rickie Weeks.

 

However, their rotation and bullpen make me wonder. Mike Maddux has been an excellent pitching coach for them, but I really don't know if their pitching is strong enough to carry them to a playoff berth yet. Sheets is terrific and Insideout-Face Turnbow both turned out well, but do they have the horses who can stay healthy, put up productive numbers, and come through when it matters?

 

They need another ace after Sheets if they want to compete for the division. Jose Capellan is a giant question mark and Mark Rogers is too far away. I don't think any of the guys they got from the Blue Jays can step up in that way, either.

 

If things bounce their way, I think they could make a run at the Wild Card. However, they don't have the depth to overcome slumps and injuries. They're an unknown factor, but I think their pitching needs to improve before they become a legitimate threat.

[stitchface]

 

SP - Sheets is a complete stud when healthy, compares to ANY of the cubs starters even a healthy Prior.

 

That's very optimistic. When I compare Sheets to any of the Cubs starters I find that Prior, Wood, and Zambrano are all better. Prior and Zambrano by a substantial margin. To me, a healthy Wood is also substantially better. Only Sheets 2003 puts him an elite class and that year looks anomalous at this point.

[erik316wttn]

Give the Brewers this year and next. After that, they'll be legit WC contenders, maybe even Division contenders.

[Mark_R]

That's very optimistic. When I compare Sheets to any of the Cubs starters I find that Prior, Wood, and Zambrano are all better. Prior and Zambrano by a substantial margin. To me, a healthy Wood is also substantially better. Only Sheets 2003 puts him an elite class and that year looks anomalous at this point.

 

Sheets was pretty mediocre in 03 (I'm assuming you meant 04)

 

And Kerry wishes he had a year like Sheets' 04.

 

I'd MUCH rather have Sheets going here on out than Woody. Not even a doubt in my mind.

[abuck1220]

as i've been saying for weeks, the brewers need to go after weaver.

[NCCubFan]

2B - Weeks has the speed and power combo to put up Soriano style numbers, unfortunately he has the same defensive profile as well.

 

SS - Weeks was the 4th best SS in baseball in the 2nd half of last year. He could end up being the best pure hitting SS in the NL next year.

Weeks must be very fast, if he can cover enough ground to play both second and short. :D

[Andy]

2B - Weeks has the speed and power combo to put up Soriano style numbers, unfortunately he has the same defensive profile as well.

 

SS - Weeks was the 4th best SS in baseball in the 2nd half of last year. He could end up being the best pure hitting SS in the NL next year.

Weeks must be very fast, if he can cover enough ground to play both second and short. :D

That would help keep the BrewCrew's payroll down. :D