Rosenthal: Reds to trade Kearns for Pitching?

MeatampPotatoesMan · January 25, 2006

I'm pretty sure we're not paying Jones 5M+ per year to platoon him. :(

Tanner_20 · January 25, 2006

Thank you M&P. You hit the nail on the head.

Hendry is giving Jones $5,000,000 a year to play baseball, not so that he can play part time. Barring injury he will start the season in the outfield. He is an everyday player, bottomline.

imb · January 25, 2006

He may be able to play everyday, but it would benefit the club to platoon him. I think it has about a 1% chance of happening, but to say that Jones shouldn't be platooned is ridiculous.

Ram1380 · January 25, 2006

I value him more, especially for our situation.

Not saying I wouldn't be open to Kearns, just that I wouldn't trade Williams for him. He is 23 and has proven to be better than average starting pitcher for next to nothing $$$$ wise.

JD42K · January 25, 2006

williams and Murton are both better than Kearns...from value and talent standpoints.

Tanner_20 · January 25, 2006

Perhaps I am missing the reason we need to go out and acquire an Austin Kearns. Jacque Jones is under contract to play for the club this season. It doesn't make sense to trade a, lets say, Jerome Williams and platoon Kearns and Jones and Murton. Jones is a left handed bat that can hit from the 5-7 spots in this teams lineup. This move wouldn't make sense to me.

JD42K · January 25, 2006

the cubs DON'T need Kearns. but it's hard not to get sucked into these things

RynoHawk · January 25, 2006

Kearns is an older murton,I don't want kearns we allready have his clone.

vance_the_cubs_fan · January 25, 2006

2005

Jacque Jones vs RHP: -268/348/466

Jacque Jones vs LHP: 201/247/370

Austin Kearns vs RHP: 243/317/475

Austin Kearns vs LHP: 233/372/388

Jones should never be allowed near a LHP. Kearns would make an excellent platoon player who has very good upside.

USSoccer · January 25, 2006

True, but at the cost we paid for Jones, and the likely cost to aquire Kearns, is it worth it? You could have signed Eric Byrnes for a $1m deal if you wanted to platoon Jones.

vance_the_cubs_fan · January 25, 2006

I think Kearns has more upside than Byrnes. Kearns has had some struggles in the majors, but he has also had stretches where he has been very good. He's still young enough to realize that as he hasn't entered his prime years just yet.

If the cost was Wellemeyer and Williams, I'd probably do the deal for Kearns.

USSoccer · January 25, 2006

Williams is worth more than Kearns on his own. Kearns should have approx the same value as Patterson...maybe a little higher. He's not had success outside his one BABIP driven good year. Why overpay for that?

Tanner_20 · January 25, 2006

Torii Hunter's last game was on July 29th.

Jones as of 7-29-05: .273/.355/.459/.814

When Hunter, Jones and the team suffered, statistically and in the standings.

Transmogrified Tiger · January 25, 2006

Jones OPS by month:

April: 1.074

May: .586

June: .714

July: .953

August: .586

September: .686

I don't think Hunter's injury was a particular turning point, it just coincided with the end of the second of Jones' two great months, and before the final 2 of his 4 abhorrent months.

Gunned · January 25, 2006

And those splits hold true through Kearns' career ... meaning he has the bizarre contrast of getting on base significantly more again LHP, but slugging almost 80 points less.

Not really sure what to make of it.

Tanner_20 · January 25, 2006

Adam Dunn vs RHP: .273/.421/.580/1.001

Adam Dunn vs LHP: .197/.321/463/.784

Seems to be a lot of guys that have trouble against Lefties. I'd hang on to that farm system.

stitchface · January 25, 2006

the obvious difference being that dunn is still good against lefties. jones is worthless against lefties. Trading for Kearns would be asinine but platooning jones makes a lot of sense. I would give up a b prospect for kearns, nothing more. I would rather trade williams for westbrook than kearns.

bmkhawk · January 25, 2006

I'm not sure that is really saying much. That said, Kearns has a world of talent...just not sure he has a body that will stand up for a whole year so he can effectively show that talent for 500-600 ABs.

stitchface · January 25, 2006

byrnes is a much better diver.

JD42K · January 25, 2006

huh?

Transmogrified Tiger · January 25, 2006

Dunn career v. LHP: .234/.353/.488/.841

This past year looks like a bit of an aberration. His IsoP and IsoD are very similar, so it's apparently a function of BABIP.

stitchface · January 25, 2006

dunn is almost as good against lefties as jones is against righties.

rocket · January 25, 2006

Dunn's 3 year OPS against LHP: .801

Jones's 3 year OPS against RHP: .807

seanhopper · January 25, 2006

Hendry and Hughes have had a long standing desire for Kearns (at least that's what has been rumored) and according to Ken Rosenthal, he may now be available. No wonder O'Brien was fired, Kearns for Westbrook would have been a nice deal for the Reds--they need pitching. I would think the Reds would have some interest in Williams due to his age and current cost, but he may not be the top line pitcher they're looking for.

I also don't know where Kearns would play at this time with the Cubs, but if they really want him, as bad as it has been rumored, then I would assume they'll worry about that later.

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The Royals, Cardinals, Cubs and Nationals are among the teams that have had a long-standing interest in Kearns. The Indians recently offered right-hander Jake Westbrook for Kearns, but former GM Dan O'Brien said no to the deal. Those talks could be revisited now that O'Brien is gone.

The Indians wanted Kearns to fill the outfield void that could be created by their trade of Coco Crisp to the Red Sox. But the Reds evidently weren't sold on Westbrook, who was 15-15 with a 4.49 ERA last season after going 14-9 with a 3.38 ERA in 2004.

Under O'Brien, who was fired Monday, the Reds consistently sought a potential top-of-the-rotation starting pitcher for Kearns, a price that other clubs viewed as too steep.

The Royals, for example, were not willing to part with right-handed starter Zack Grienke for Kearns, but they probably would be willing to trade a reliever such as right-hander Mike MacDougal or left-hander Jeremy Affeldt.

If the Reds trade Kearns, they could make Ryan Freel an outfield regular or acquire a first baseman and move Adam Dunn back to left field. Scott Hatteberg, Matthew LeCroy and Russell Branyan are among the free-agent options at first.>>

NCCubFan · January 25, 2006

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