Kaplan: Cubs 'Trying Hard' for Tejada, won't budge on Pie

[ThePenguin11]

I didn't want to start a new thread about this, since we all know that mlbtraderumors posts a lot of garbage - but I do put a lot of stock in what information comes from Dave Kaplan.

 

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Kaplan: Cubs "Trying Hard" For Tejada

 

Late last night I talked to Dave Kaplan, co-host of WGN's Sports Central. Dave gave me a different take on the Miguel Tejada situation than what my source told me.

 

He said his sources indicate the White Sox are out of the Tejada sweepstakes and that the Red Sox are also backing away now that Manny said he'll stay. According to Kaplan, the Cubs are "trying hard." He also mentioned that there's "still a long way to go to get a deal done, but if the Cubs will include Felix Pie they could get it done."

 

This is so Cub-like. They can have Tejada, but they don't want to give up Pie. Why not? So he can be the next can't-miss-Corey-Patterson? No matter how much we can sit here and say Pie is any different, we all thought Patterson was the next great thing when he was coming up. There is no guarantee that Pie will ever amount to All-Star level talent, so you have to make the deal.

 

EDIT: Prior YES? Pie NO?

 

EDIT #2: We'd trade Prior for Tejada, but we won't trade Pie for him? Something's wrong with Hendry's thinking if this is true. We don't even have a place for Pie to play now that Hendry's tied up the OF.

Edited January 6, 2006 by ThePenguin11

[Bull]

I didn't want to start a new thread about this, since we all know that mlbtraderumors posts a lot of garbage - but I do put a lot of stock in what information comes from Dave Kaplan.

 

Kaplan: Cubs "Trying Hard" For Tejada

 

Late last night I talked to Dave Kaplan, co-host of WGN's Sports Central. Dave gave me a different take on the Miguel Tejada situation than what my source told me.

 

He said his sources indicate the White Sox are out of the Tejada sweepstakes and that the Red Sox are also backing away now that Manny said he'll stay. According to Kaplan, the Cubs are "trying hard." He also mentioned that there's "still a long way to go to get a deal done, but if the Cubs will include Felix Pie they could get it done."

 

This is so Cub-like. They can have Tejada, but they don't want to give up Pie. Why not? So he can be the next can't-miss-Corey-Patterson? No matter how much we can sit here and say Pie is any different, we all thought Patterson was the next great thing when he was coming up. There is no guarantee that Pie will ever amount to All-Star level talent, so you have to make the deal.

 

Sorry, if this is the case I agree. No Prior, No Pie. Wait a little, Baltimore will get desperate. If not, start Cedeno and Walker. NO pressure on the cubs to make it happen.

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe I missed it but who are the players involved? I mean if it's Prior and Pie for Tejada I say no way.

[nolanwood]

yea, I'd really like to know who else is included in the deal besides Pie.....

[BigbadB]

If it's Pie and Hill, I do that deal in a heartbeat. If Prior's name is even remotely mentioned, I back away faster than Boston or the other Sox.

[ThePenguin11]

For the record I don't think that Prior is involved in this rumored deal. I meant to say, "We'd trade Prior for Tejada, but Pie's off-limits?" I'm sorry if there was some confusion, but that's where I was going with this post. Pie + Prospects for Tejada should be done yesterday.

[The Voice of Reason]

If it's Pie and Hill, I do that deal in a heartbeat. If Prior's name is even remotely mentioned, I back away faster than Boston or the other Sox.

 

If you were the Orioles, would you trade Tejada for Pie and Hill? Two unproven kids for an all-star shortstop and former MVP?

[goonys evil twin]

I'd like to hold onto Pie, but he can't be the sticking point in a potential deal. Prior is more than worth backing away from the table for, Pie, not so much.

 

 

 

What if they insisted on Murton and let the Cubs keep Pie? Would you then start Felix in LF this year? If Hendry was willing to call him up last summer, would he give him a shot at a less important position this year? (less important because with Tejada, the lineup can live with subpar production from LF)

 

I'd rather give him more time in the minors, but his age and experience wouldn't be unprecedented for a call-up, and there really aren't many options to start instead of him, if Murton were gone.

[goonys evil twin]

If it's Pie and Hill, I do that deal in a heartbeat. If Prior's name is even remotely mentioned, I back away faster than Boston or the other Sox.

 

If you were the Orioles, would you trade Tejada for Pie and Hill? Two unproven kids for an all-star shortstop and former MVP?

 

If I was Baltimore I would seriously consider those two, plus another arm/bat or two, instead of some of the mediocre veteran names that have been thrown about. They are going to suck this year. They might as well get as much as they can for the future.

[BigbadB]

If it's Pie and Hill, I do that deal in a heartbeat. If Prior's name is even remotely mentioned, I back away faster than Boston or the other Sox.

 

If you were the Orioles, would you trade Tejada for Pie and Hill? Two unproven kids for an all-star shortstop and former MVP?

 

No, I wouldn't if I was Baltimore. But, I meant to include Cedeno since Baltimore would likely want him as well. If I was Baltimore, I probably wouldn't do that deal either, though.

 

I have already made my opinion known that I'd rather go into 2006 with what we have than deal off Prior. Let Baltimore keep Tejada if that's who they want in a deal.

[Bull]

For the record I don't think that Prior is involved in this rumored deal. I meant to say, "We'd trade Prior for Tejada, but Pie's off-limits?" I'm sorry if there was some confusion, but that's where I was going with this post. Pie + Prospects for Tejada should be done yesterday.

 

I think I was the source of the confusion. My Prior reference was to previous rumors. I don't include Prior, and I don't include Pie unless Neifi is in the package. I certainly don't do both.

 

My guess is Kaplan's reference to Pie being the hangup is in a Prior, Pie, Cedeno for Tejada + Bedard still. No Way.

 

Neifi, Pie, Prospects for Tejada I do.

 

Cedeno, Pie, Hill, prospects for Tejada I don't.

 

I guess I just don't wan't Tejada that bad.

[CuseCubFan69]

For the record I don't think that Prior is involved in this rumored deal. I meant to say, "We'd trade Prior for Tejada, but Pie's off-limits?" I'm sorry if there was some confusion, but that's where I was going with this post. Pie + Prospects for Tejada should be done yesterday.

 

Isn't Pie a prospect? :wink:

 

One thing that has me a little worried and that is if Hendry is on shaky ground with the Cubs. If he is would he trash the future and make a bold move to win now or is he in good standing and doesn't have to worry about having to make a trade that would rip all the prospects out of the system? I would like to have Tejada on the Cubs but I wouldn't want the O's to have all the top 4 or 5 prospects either. Not including Pawlick that is.

[rawaction]

I'd like to hold onto Pie, but he can't be the sticking point in a potential deal. Prior is more than worth backing away from the table for, Pie, not so much.

 

 

 

What if they insisted on Murton and let the Cubs keep Pie? Would you then start Felix in LF this year? If Hendry was willing to call him up last summer, would he give him a shot at a less important position this year? (less important because with Tejada, the lineup can live with subpar production from LF)

 

I'd rather give him more time in the minors, but his age and experience wouldn't be unprecedented for a call-up, and there really aren't many options to start instead of him, if Murton were gone.

 

No. Might as well go after a guy like Mench or Ibanez who seemingly can be had somewhat easily. I'd probably rather trade Murton than Pie. But I wouldn't hesitate to trade Felix if he was the centerpiece (i.e. best player given up) of a Tejada deal.

[rawaction]

I wouldn't want to give up Cedeno for Tejada. I really want Cedeno at 2B if the Cubs get another SS. Walker will be gone, so that leaves Neifi and Hairston as the only 2B options.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd like to hold onto Pie, but he can't be the sticking point in a potential deal. Prior is more than worth backing away from the table for, Pie, not so much.

 

 

 

What if they insisted on Murton and let the Cubs keep Pie? Would you then start Felix in LF this year? If Hendry was willing to call him up last summer, would he give him a shot at a less important position this year? (less important because with Tejada, the lineup can live with subpar production from LF)

 

I'd rather give him more time in the minors, but his age and experience wouldn't be unprecedented for a call-up, and there really aren't many options to start instead of him, if Murton were gone.

 

No. Might as well go after a guy like Mench or Ibanez who seemingly can be had somewhat easily. I'd probably rather trade Murton than Pie. But I wouldn't hesitate to trade Felix if he was the centerpiece (i.e. best player given up) of a Tejada deal.

 

How many top prospects are you willing to give up for Tejada?

[CuseCubFan69]

I wouldn't want to give up Cedeno for Tejada. I really want Cedeno at 2B if the Cubs get another SS. Walker will be gone, so that leaves Neifi and Hairston as the only 2B options.

 

The Cubs have Fontenant (sp) at Iowa though and he would be a decent backup.

[Bull]

I wouldn't want to give up Cedeno for Tejada. I really want Cedeno at 2B if the Cubs get another SS. Walker will be gone, so that leaves Neifi and Hairston as the only 2B options.

 

I might give up Cedeno, but not Cedeno AND Hill AND oh-by-the-way Pie. I think that's why Pie is the sticking point. Of course I'm reading into it.

[goonys evil twin]

How many top prospects are you willing to give up for Tejada?

 

I would probably give up 3-4 of the guys on most top 10 lists, while maybe throwing in a current bullpen arm and/or another lower ranked prospect.

[ThePenguin11]

I wouldn't want to give up Cedeno for Tejada. I really want Cedeno at 2B if the Cubs get another SS. Walker will be gone, so that leaves Neifi and Hairston as the only 2B options.

 

The Cubs have Fontenant (sp) at Iowa though and he would be a decent backup.

 

They can have Fontenot back. We'll throw in Ray Fontenot in a package deal for a bucket, sans balls. Hell, I'll settle for a bucket to be named later.

[Bull]

I wouldn't want to give up Cedeno for Tejada. I really want Cedeno at 2B if the Cubs get another SS. Walker will be gone, so that leaves Neifi and Hairston as the only 2B options.

 

The Cubs have Fontenant (sp) at Iowa though and he would be a decent backup.

 

They can have Fontenot back. We'll throw in Ray Fontenot in a package deal for a bucket, sans balls. Hell, I'll settle for a bucket to be named later.

 

Variation on a theme. High comedy. I love this place.

[BigbadB]

If you were the Orioles, would you trade Tejada for Pie and Hill? Two unproven kids for an all-star shortstop and former MVP?

 

I'm going to answer this question one more time, with a different angle. "If you were the Orioles, would you..."

 

First off, I'm not the Orioles, I could care less about the Orioles and they can fall off the face of the Earth for all I care.

 

The question wasn't whether I could put together a fair trade for both teams. It was whether I would include Pie in a deal for Tejada. Nothing more. Therefore, why are you asking me if I would make that trade if I was Baltimore?

 

Posts like the one you just made where you attempt to insult posters by making assumptions or twisting the argument into something it's not is really not very cool.

 

I like Tejada. I'd love to have him. But, not at the expense of Prior or Zambrano. I've made my claim that Boston was overpaying by offering Manny, Clement and cash. If Baltimore feels like they deserve more in return for less, I'm looking elsewhere.

[Jehrico]

I don't think this is a big deal. I bet that the deal has evolved from Prior for Tejada (Hendry said no) to Prior for Tejada and Bedard (Duqette said no) to Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard (Hendry said no). I don't think it's a matter of Hendry being more willing to deal Prior for Tejada, it's a matter of getting enough in return for what he's giving up on both sides.

[CuseCubFan69]

How many top prospects are you willing to give up for Tejada?

 

I would probably give up 3-4 of the guys on most top 10 lists, while maybe throwing in a current bullpen arm and/or another lower ranked prospect.

 

Would you give up Ohman along with Pie, Guzman and Hill? What kind of worries me is that the O's (Stockwell) know who is good and who isn't.

[Bull]

I don't think this is a big deal. I bet that the deal has evolved from Prior for Tejada (Hendry said no) to Prior for Tejada and Bedard (Duqette said no) to Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard (Hendry said no). I don't think it's a matter of Hendry being more willing to deal Prior for Tejada, it's a matter of getting enough in return for what he's giving up on both sides.

With all the Patterson talk, sounds like Prior and C-Pat for Tejada and Bedard might get it done. I hope not.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't think this is a big deal. I bet that the deal has evolved from Prior for Tejada (Hendry said no) to Prior for Tejada and Bedard (Duqette said no) to Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard (Hendry said no). I don't think it's a matter of Hendry being more willing to deal Prior for Tejada, it's a matter of getting enough in return for what he's giving up on both sides.

With all the Patterson talk, sounds like Prior and C-Pat for Tejada and Bedard might get it done. I hope not.

 

I might be able to live with that deal. I have to know that Bedard is going to be sure fire 2 though.