NSBB HOF Ballot: Alan Trammell

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

From the Baseball Hall of Fame on Trammell:

 

ALAN TRAMMELL: 5th year on the ballot… Played 20 seasons, all with the Detroit Tigers… Seven .300 batting average seasons, one season with 200-plus hits, one season with 100-plus RBI, and three seasons with 100-plus runs scored… Finished in top 10 in MVP voting three times in 1984 (9th), ‘87 (2nd), and ’88 (7th)… Named WS MVP (1984); batted .450 with six RBI and two HR in 20 WS at-bats… Shares single-game WS record for driving in all of team’s runs (4) on Oct. 13, 1984 … Six All-Star teams (1980, ’84, ’85, ’87, ’88, ’90)… Won four AL Gold Glove awards (1980, ’81, ’83, ‘84)… Named 1983 AL Comeback Player of the Year by The Sporting News … Finished tied for 4th in the 1978 BBWAA AL Rookie of the Year Award voting… 20-plus HR twice, 30-plus doubles six times, 20-plus stolen bases three times, and 30-plus stolen bases once… Five career grand slams… Had 20-game hitting streak (Aug. 5-22, 1984) and 21-game hitting streak (May 24-June 16, 1987)… Shares ML record for most years by a shortstop (20)… Led AL in sacrifice hits in 1981 (16) and ‘83 (15)… Led AL shortstops in double plays (102) in 1990… Two AL Championship Series (1984, ’87); batted .258 with five RBI and one HR in 31 ALCS at-bats… One World Series (1984); member of 1984 WS championship team.

[UK1679666180]

Not much difference between Ripken and Trammell as far as rate stats, but I voted no.

 

.273 EqA... 246 BRAA and FRAA combined. Good but not good enough.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Not much difference between Ripken and Trammell as far as rate stats, but I voted no.

 

.273 EqA... 246 BRAA and FRAA combined. Good but not good enough.

 

Just curious, but what would you say of Larkin? (He's not eligible for another five years...but I see him as similar to Trammell.)

[UK1679666180]

I'd vote Larkin in...

 

Larkin is better than Trammell, to the point where I'd vote Larkin in and say no to Tramell.

 

Larkin had an EqA of .289 and his BRAA and FRAA were a combined 397, both are much higher than Trammell. Larkin had a higher OPS+ with almost 180 more SBs.

[TruffleShuffle]

I voted yes... one of the best offensive SS of his era or any era before the current one. Also won 4 GG awards, and was an All-Star 6 times without having to do backflips to make the team. He was more valuable than Ozzie Smith, who made the hall pretty easily. I think he belongs in there too.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He had too many good seasons for too many years. I always liked him as a player. I hope his managerial stint doesn't soil him in some eyes.

[Tim]

I'd say yes for Trammell. Cal Ripken is generally given credit for changing the SS position, but in my eyes it was Trammell. During the 80's, I thought there were three MIF's who were great offensive and defensive players - Sandberg, Whitaker and Trammell. Sweet Lou comes up just short in my book, but Sandberg and Trammell are deserving, in my opinion.

[BigbadB]

I'd say yes for Trammell. Cal Ripken is generally given credit for changing the SS position, but in my eyes it was Trammell. During the 80's, I thought there were three MIF's who were great offensive and defensive players - Sandberg, Whitaker and Trammell. Sweet Lou comes up just short in my book, but Sandberg and Trammell are deserving, in my opinion.

 

What? No love for Robin Yount???????

 

His 1982 season was a thing of beauty for a SS.

[rawaction]

I voted no for everyone. I liked Trammell alot though. I agree with Tim in every way, except for the vote. Although, I could be swayed.

[UK1679666180]

I voted no for everyone. I liked Trammell alot though. I agree with Tim in every way, except for the vote. Although, I could be swayed.

 

The only one I voted yes on was Blyleven.

[rawaction]

I voted no for everyone. I liked Trammell alot though. I agree with Tim in every way, except for the vote. Although, I could be swayed.

 

The only one I voted yes on was Blyleven.

 

Me too. I skipped over that poll somehow.

[NewUserName]

I think Trammell is probably damaged by the offensive production of the SS of late 90s and 00s. He was also hurt alot. I thought when they put Sandberg in last year it would be hard not to justify putting Trammell in. Probably the one thing against Trammell is he never had great national perception, partly because of ripken partly because he was a quiet guy. In the 80s I think I would just as easily taken trammel as ripken on my team though

[Tim]

I'd say yes for Trammell. Cal Ripken is generally given credit for changing the SS position, but in my eyes it was Trammell. During the 80's, I thought there were three MIF's who were great offensive and defensive players - Sandberg, Whitaker and Trammell. Sweet Lou comes up just short in my book, but Sandberg and Trammell are deserving, in my opinion.

 

What? No love for Robin Yount???????

 

His 1982 season was a thing of beauty for a SS.

Oops. I always think of Yount as an OF for some reason. Is he usually considered a SS or an OF by baseball historians?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

More support for Trammel

 

In the post-Ripken/A-Rod/Jeter era, Trammell's numbers may not look terribly impressive, but in his day he was the hard-hitting shortstop nonpareil. Over his 20-year career, Trammell totaled 2,365 hits, 185 homers, 412 doubles, 236 steals, six All-Star appearances, four Gold Gloves and a World Series MVP award. Among shortstops, Trammell ranks in the top 10 all-time for career games played, hits, walks, doubles, home runs, extra-base hits, RBI, total bases and times on base. That should be enough.

[GaryWoods]

I'd say yes for Trammell. Cal Ripken is generally given credit for changing the SS position, but in my eyes it was Trammell. During the 80's, I thought there were three MIF's who were great offensive and defensive players - Sandberg, Whitaker and Trammell. Sweet Lou comes up just short in my book, but Sandberg and Trammell are deserving, in my opinion.

 

What? No love for Robin Yount???????

 

His 1982 season was a thing of beauty for a SS.

Oops. I always think of Yount as an OF for some reason. Is he usually considered a SS or an OF by baseball historians?

 

The Hall of Fame lists him as a shortstop, so I'd gues that's how most historians would view him.

[Balsa]

I think that he deserves it.