If the Cubs are going to trade Prior...

[XZero771679666304]

significant elbow injury? when was this, and did he have surgery?

 

i seem to recall rumors and conjecture but nothing that could be called "significant".

 

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

It was, however, an injury to the bone and not the muscle and tendon structure. It is unlikely in the extreme it would have any effect whatsoever in the future.

[brinoch]

significant elbow injury? when was this, and did he have surgery?

 

i seem to recall rumors and conjecture but nothing that could be called "significant".

 

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

It was, however, an injury to the bone and not the muscle and tendon structure. It is unlikely in the extreme it would have any effect whatsoever in the future.

 

Given Bedard's injury history, I say to the Orioles with respect to their concerns about Prior: "Pot, meet Mr. Kettle."

[Fanzones trumpet]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

[fromthestretch]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

The elbow injury was speculation from a reporter in NJ. The achilles injury is what kept him off the mound.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

My recollection was that there was some "discomfort" in the elbow that was attributed to him making adjustments to alleviate pain from the achilles. I don't recall ever hearing about any actual elbow problems.

[Fanzones trumpet]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

The elbow injury was speculation from a reporter in NJ. The achilles injury is what kept him off the mound.

 

I think you have it backwards; the elbow issue was the real problem.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

The elbow injury was speculation from a reporter in NJ. The achilles injury is what kept him off the mound.

 

I think you have it backwards; the elbow issue was the real problem.

 

And your source is???

[YearofDaCubs]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

The elbow injury was speculation from a reporter in NJ. The achilles injury is what kept him off the mound.

 

I think you have it backwards; the elbow issue was the real problem.

How do you know that? Do you have insider info? The achilles injury is what kept Prior out.

[fromthestretch]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

The elbow injury was speculation from a reporter in NJ. The achilles injury is what kept him off the mound.

 

I think you have it backwards; the elbow issue was the real problem.

 

Provide me proof of that, and I'll believe you. Until then, I'll go with the reports by the media and the Cubs that he was out with an achilles problem and some slight elbow discomfort, most likely due to adjusting his mechanics based on the achilles injury.

 

To my knowledge there are no reports of Prior ever suffering anything close to a signifcant elbow injury other than the one caused by a line drive off Brad Hawpe's bat.

[Fanzones trumpet]

Provide me proof of that, and I'll believe you. Until then, I'll go with the reports by the media and the Cubs that he was out with an achilles problem and some slight elbow discomfort, most likely due to adjusting his mechanics based on the achilles injury.

 

To my knowledge there are no reports of Prior ever suffering anything close to a signifcant elbow injury other than the one caused by a line drive off Brad Hawpe's bat.

 

The Cub Reporter--March 31, 2004--had this quote from the Sun-Times:

 

"Prior admitted that he has been more conc erned about his

elbow than he has been about his right Achilles tendinitis which is the

ailment the Cubs have been citing as the reason for holding him out."

 

Sorry I can't provide the direct Sun Times link because it's too old.

[fromthestretch]

The Cub Reporter--March 31, 2004--had this quote from the Sun-Times:

 

"Prior admitted that he has been more conc erned about his

elbow than he has been about his right Achilles tendinitis which is the

ailment the Cubs have been citing as the reason for holding him out."

 

Sorry I can't provide the direct Sun Times link because it's too old.

 

Being more concerned about his elbow doesn't translate to him having a signifant elbow injury. If I was a major league pitcher and I had any kind of elbow discomfort, I'd probably be more concerned about that, too. That doesn't mean that the elbow was as bad as his achilles though.

[Rich2123]

There's really only 2 situations that make trading Prior okay.

 

1) He has told the team he hates it here and is going to leave as a free agent as soon as he can.

 

2) They think something is seriously wrong with him and they're pretty sure he can pass a physical.

 

Only if they know they're going to lose him would it be a good move.

[goonys evil twin]

There's really only 2 situations that make trading Prior okay.

 

1) He has told the team he hates it here and is going to leave as a free agent as soon as he can.

 

2) They think something is seriously wrong with him and they're pretty sure he can pass a physical.

 

Only if they know they're going to lose him would it be a good move.

 

If it's #1, then the responsible thing to do would be to spend the next 3 years trying to win with him, and hopefully change his mind before he gets the chance. If, by chance, 2.5 years from now the situation hasn't changed, then you put him up for auction to the highest bidding contender and get the most you possibly can for him. Don't except less now just because some people are hung up on the linedrive.

[Rich2123]

If it's #1, then the responsible thing to do would be to spend the next 3 years trying to win with him, and hopefully change his mind before he gets the chance.

 

I pretty much agree with you here, I'm just trying to make sense of this whole thing.

 

I actually still have a bit of fatih in Hendry, but I can't imagine what he's thinking about here...

[RockTheIvy]

If this proposal actually happened, you have to take some satisfaction in the fact that the Orioles haven't jumped on it. I mean if Hendry is stupid enough to try to trade Prior for Tejada, the Oriole folks would have to be even dumber if they didn't accept it. So there's a shorter midget apparently.

[Laura]

There's really only 2 situations that make trading Prior okay.

 

1) He has told the team he hates it here and is going to leave as a free agent as soon as he can.

 

2) They think something is seriously wrong with him and they're pretty sure he can pass a physical.

 

Only if they know they're going to lose him would it be a good move.

 

If it's #1, then the responsible thing to do would be to spend the next 3 years trying to win with him, and hopefully change his mind before he gets the chance. If, by chance, 2.5 years from now the situation hasn't changed, then you put him up for auction to the highest bidding contender and get the most you possibly can for him. Don't except less now just because some people are hung up on the linedrive.

 

Exactly.

 

Several posters here believe that the Cubs control Prior's rights for another 3 years, and that matches up with everything I've read and heard from the time he was drafted and signed. Sullivan did write in today's Trib that the Cubs only control him for another 2 years. I believe it's 3, but I'll acknowledge some uncertainty exists.

 

That said, unless Prior hates the Cubs SO MUCH that he would sabotage his career out of spite, vengeance and an inner burning rage that cannot be appeased, it doesn't make much sense to say he must be traded now to avoid him walking in 2-3 years.

 

There's more short-term danger of Tejada hating the Cubs and demanding to walk after this next season.

 

What if Pawalek hates the Cubs? Will Hendry trade him as soon as possible to avoid him leaving several years from now?

 

Though I'm sure if Prior is traded, we'll hear all about how he hated the Cubs.

 

Maybe they even have a videotape to PROVE it.

[ThePenguin11]

He didn't have surgery, but I'd characterize missing 2 months of a season as a "significant" injury.

 

are you talking about his achilles injury?

 

The elbow injury was simultaneous with the achilles injury.

 

The elbow injury was speculation from a reporter in NJ. The achilles injury is what kept him off the mound.

 

I think you have it backwards; the elbow issue was the real problem.

How do you know that? Do you have insider info? The achilles injury is what kept Prior out.

 

They originally called it an achilles injury. Then we found out about the elbow later. Doesn't matter at this point, really.

 

chicken/egg

[goonys evil twin]

Though I'm sure if Prior is traded, we'll hear all about how he hated the Cubs.

 

Maybe they even have a videotape to PROVE it.

 

How funny would that be. After noticing the success of the Sosa videotape the Cubs decided to put hidden cameras throughout all of their facilities. Prior, Wood, Zambrano, Walker and Patterson are all sitting around one day shooting the breeze when the subject of their own team comes up. Prior lets off some steam ragging on the results of many of Hendry's moves and wondering when they are going to get rid of Baker and finally find an offense that can help the team. Knowing that he's about to go full force into operation catch the ball Hendry decides to send a message to Prior by threatening to trade all of his co-conspirators at one time or another. But Prior only grows more exasperated as he sees more Neifi, Glendon and Jones type deals. Finally Jim realizes he can't have this sort of dissent among the troops, then goes all out looking for a way to deal Prior.

 

Perhaps a more realistic depiction of these events would be Gary Hughes planting the devices and then taking the information to Jim and explaining to him that he's got to get these new age nancy boys off his team if he wants to win. And if he doesn't make those deals, then he's just not tough enough to run this team. Playing the role of Gary Hughes in the movie will be Dick Cheney.

[Rich2123]

If this proposal actually happened, you have to take some satisfaction in the fact that the Orioles haven't jumped on it. I mean if Hendry is stupid enough to try to trade Prior for Tejada, the Oriole folks would have to be even dumber if they didn't accept it. So there's a shorter midget apparently.

 

 

This is part of why I think this isn't going to happen, I can't imagine if Balimore is serious about trading Tejada they wouldn't have jumped on it the minute Priors name was mentioned.

 

Of course, if they see we're stupid enough to consider trading Prior, why not try to get more out of the deal?

[CubfaninCA]

Maybe Prior's being dangled to see what other teams are interested. I really hope this deal takes a while and Hendry waits around to see who else makes offers for Prior. (Yankees, Red Sox cmon). However, since this is a big move, I have a feeling Hendry will flub it. This B-/C+ GM & organization is good at second tier moves, but not first tier moves. Edited December 24, 2005 by CubfaninCA

[BigbadB]

Why don't we just get rid of the real problem? Dusty and Hendry.

[Sarcastic]

Maybe Prior's being dangled to see what other teams are interested. I really hope this deal takes a while and Hendry waits around to see who else makes offers for Prior. (Yankees, Red Sox cmon). However, since this is a big move, I have a feeling Hendry will flub it. This B-/C+ GM & organization is good at second tier moves, but not first tier moves.

 

I'd say it is the other way around for this organization. They have made many trades for good players which cost the team fairly little, but consistently overpay bench players and mediocre FAs.

[Gunned]

If this proposal actually happened, you have to take some satisfaction in the fact that the Orioles haven't jumped on it. I mean if Hendry is stupid enough to try to trade Prior for Tejada, the Oriole folks would have to be even dumber if they didn't accept it. So there's a shorter midget apparently.

 

If the Orioles valued Prior as much as the people on this board, they would have accepted the trade as soon as Hendry offered it.

[Tim]

If this proposal actually happened, you have to take some satisfaction in the fact that the Orioles haven't jumped on it. I mean if Hendry is stupid enough to try to trade Prior for Tejada, the Oriole folks would have to be even dumber if they didn't accept it. So there's a shorter midget apparently.

 

If the Orioles valued Prior as much as the people on this board, they would have accepted the trade as soon as Hendry offered it.

Assuming that Hendry actually offered it.

[badger1679666666]

If this proposal actually happened, you have to take some satisfaction in the fact that the Orioles haven't jumped on it. I mean if Hendry is stupid enough to try to trade Prior for Tejada, the Oriole folks would have to be even dumber if they didn't accept it. So there's a shorter midget apparently.

 

If the Orioles valued Prior as much as the people on this board, they would have accepted the trade as soon as Hendry offered it.

Assuming that Hendry actually offered it.

 

I can't think of a better set of lyrics than are in your sig, to define the antithesis of this offeseason until this point. And this whole Prior/Tejada crap.

 

Maybe Hendry will hear the song and realize that he's focusing on the wrong part.