Levine reports on Tejada for Prior rumor 12/22 - 26

[Garwilly]

Anyone remember that Prior/Tejada rumor?

 

I just cannot figure out how having Tejada in the rotation is a good thing.

[Magnetic Curses]

anyhow, if it is prior and hill to the orioles for the 3 previously mentioned, could they include another mlb-ready pitcher? because without prior, we'll need hill.

[JWCUB]

Anyone remember that Prior/Tejada rumor?

 

Oh, is that what this thread is about? :lol:

 

 

Come on guys, kiss and make-up. Its all good.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

anyhow, if it is prior and hill to the orioles for the 3 previously mentioned, could they include another mlb-ready pitcher? because without prior, we'll need hill.

 

and Millwood and Zito and Weaver and ...

[JeffH]

Bedard isn't chopped liver and Markakis is a potentially dominant corner outfielder.

 

Bedard isn't really all that impressive either. He's 3 years older than Jerome Williams, and his major league numbers aren't any better. He does have a nice minor league record, but is it any better than Rich Hill's? Probably a little. But seriously, if Bedard, Hill and Williams battle for a spot, do you see a clear-cut distinction? If I'm dealing a pre peak, pre free agency, top ten pitcher, and getting back a post-peak top 10 position player, I need more than a Bedard to sweeten the pot.

 

My point is that this isn't Smith for Schiraldi and Nipper. It's a fairly equitable talent exchange.

 

Foolish or not, it would be a really ballsy move that would completely change the look of the franchise. I don't think I'd have the stones to do it.

[KingCubsFan]

But you have to take into account what they get in the end.

In the end, we're getting the best shortstop in baseball and a 28 year-old former Cy Young winner who is a legitimate #2 starter (and more durable). Yes, we're giving up Prior, but we're also acquiring these two players without giving up Murton, Cedeno and perhaps Pie if he's taken out of the A's deal. I'm not saying we should trade Prior (I don't want to), but if we're going to, I thought this was a deal that might allow us to somewhat replace Prior while still acquiring Tejada. Beane doesn't have to trade Zito, so you'd probably have to give up more than necessary.

t

[WrigleyField 22]

anyhow, if it is prior and hill to the orioles for the 3 previously mentioned, could they include another mlb-ready pitcher? because without prior, we'll need hill.

 

No.

I'm pretty sure I read from something Bruce posted(I think) that the point in trading Tejada would be to gain pitching depth. If they dealt two pitchers and got two back, although stronger they wouldnt have as much depth.

[CuseCubFan69]

Bedard isn't chopped liver and Markakis is a potentially dominant corner outfielder.

 

Bedard isn't really all that impressive either. He's 3 years older than Jerome Williams, and his major league numbers aren't any better. He does have a nice minor league record, but is it any better than Rich Hill's? Probably a little. But seriously, if Bedard, Hill and Williams battle for a spot, do you see a clear-cut distinction? If I'm dealing a pre peak, pre free agency, top ten pitcher, and getting back a post-peak top 10 position player, I need more than a Bedard to sweeten the pot.

 

My point is that this isn't Smith for Schiraldi and Nipper. It's a fairly equitable talent exchange.

 

Foolish or not, it would be a really ballsy move that would completely change the look of the franchise. I don't think I'd have the stones to do it.

 

It would be a gutsy move by both teams or a 3rd if that's what this gets into. I wonder if Hendry is feeling some heat right now because he didn't get the RF of his choice?

[goonys evil twin]

But you have to take into account what they get in the end.

In the end, we're getting the best shortstop in baseball and a 28 year-old former Cy Young winner who is a legitimate #2 starter (and more durable). Yes, we're giving up Prior, but we're also acquiring these two players without giving up Murton, Cedeno and perhaps Pie if he's taken out of the A's deal. I'm not saying we should trade Prior (I don't want to), but if we're going to, I thought this was a deal that might allow us to somewhat replace Prior while still acquiring Tejada. Beane doesn't have to trade Zito, so you'd probably have to give up more than necessary.

t

 

Well, you have to take into account what they get and what they give up.

 

Remember, Zito is a year from free agency. If the Cubs are afraid of paying Prior and Zambrano in a couple year, how does Zito solve that?

 

I'd trade Prior for Zito and Tejada. The question is what else is dealt. "Perhaps Pie" isn't good enough. He definitely has to come out of that deal, because the Cubs OF still sucks and they need some quality prospects.

[SeldomSeen]

Anyone remember that Prior/Tejada rumor?

 

Who?

[YearofDaCubs]

But you have to take into account what they get in the end.

In the end, we're getting the best shortstop in baseball and a 28 year-old former Cy Young winner who is a legitimate #2 starter (and more durable). Yes, we're giving up Prior, but we're also acquiring these two players without giving up Murton, Cedeno and perhaps Pie if he's taken out of the A's deal. I'm not saying we should trade Prior (I don't want to), but if we're going to, I thought this was a deal that might allow us to somewhat replace Prior while still acquiring Tejada. Beane doesn't have to trade Zito, so you'd probably have to give up more than necessary.

t

Tejada a 30 year old that can break down any year now. Didn't we learn a lesson with Nomar on how fast some of these SS's can break down? Zito? What has Zito down the past 2 years? He will also be a FA and most definitely be getting 12 mil. If you think Tejada and Zito is the answer you are mistaken. 3.86 and 4.48 ERA for Zito the past two years. I don't call those numbers #2esque.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Remember, Zito is a year from free agency. If the Cubs are afraid of paying Prior and Zambrano in a couple year, how does Zito solve that?

 

That is the key. Zambrano and Prior combined will likely still be more inexpensive than Zito after next season. If that doesn't scare you, nothing will.

[JeffH]

I'd trade Prior for Zito and Tejada. The question is what else is dealt. "Perhaps Pie" isn't good enough. He definitely has to come out of that deal, because the Cubs OF still sucks and they need some quality prospects.

 

Prior and Hill for Tejada, Bedard, and Markakis.

 

Bedard, Murton, and Gallagher for Zito.

 

Would you do that?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd trade Prior for Zito and Tejada. The question is what else is dealt. "Perhaps Pie" isn't good enough. He definitely has to come out of that deal, because the Cubs OF still sucks and they need some quality prospects.

 

Prior and Hill for Tejada, Bedard, and Markakis.

 

Bedard, Murton, and Gallagher for Zito.

 

Would you do that?

 

Prior, Hill, Murton, and Gallagher for Tejada, Zito, and Markakis?

 

If I could sign Zito to an extension before making the deal.

[Guest]

Trading Prior for Tejada would be foolish.

 

Trading Prior and Hill for Tejada, Bedard, and Markakis is worth considering.

 

Bedard isn't chopped liver and Markakis is a potentially dominant corner outfielder.

While I agree that Bedard isn't chopped liver, he's also a few years older than Jerome Williams and hasn't had as much success in the major leagues, either. He's an average pitcher, and a severe downgrade from Prior. Markakis is intriguing, but Hendry has already locked up Jones for three years and will probably do the same with Pierre. That leaves just one OF spot for Murton, Pie, or Markakis, though I suppose Hendry could flip a couple of them for pitching help. (Which we may very well need if Bedard is in the rotation instead of Prior.)

[rawaction]

I'd trade Prior for Zito and Tejada. The question is what else is dealt. "Perhaps Pie" isn't good enough. He definitely has to come out of that deal, because the Cubs OF still sucks and they need some quality prospects.

 

Prior and Hill for Tejada, Bedard, and Markakis.

 

Bedard, Murton, and Gallagher for Zito.

 

Would you do that?

 

Prior, Hill, Murton, and Gallagher for Tejada, Zito, and Markakis?

 

If I could sign Zito to an extension before making the deal.

 

I like Zito, but I don't even know if I would want him re-signed. Long-term, he's a huge step down from Prior and could be just a notch above Bedard. I'd probably rather keep Bedard, Murton and Gallagher and go out and sign Weaver or Millwood.

[KingCubsFan]

Tejada a 30 year old that can break down any year now. Didn't we learn a lesson with Nomar on how fast some of these SS's can break down? Zito? What has Zito down the past 2 years? He will also be a FA and most definitely be getting 12 mil. If you think Tejada and Zito is the answer you are mistaken. 3.86 and 4.48 ERA for Zito the past two years. I don't call those numbers #2esque.

Just because Nomar broke down doesn't mean every 30 year old shortstop will break down. Tejada has never shown he is going to be breaking down soon. How has Derek Jeter done the past few years? As for Zito, he has a career 3.50 ERA in the AL. I'd call that #2-esque. Just because he had one mediocre year doesn't mean he's horrible. I'd have no problem giving Zito 12 million a year. He's one the few that will actually deserve that type of money in the coming years.

[erik316wttn]

If the Cubs do trade Prior for Tejada, they'd better have Zito in the bag first, or they're really gonna be screwed.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd trade Prior for Zito and Tejada. The question is what else is dealt. "Perhaps Pie" isn't good enough. He definitely has to come out of that deal, because the Cubs OF still sucks and they need some quality prospects.

 

Prior and Hill for Tejada, Bedard, and Markakis.

 

Bedard, Murton, and Gallagher for Zito.

 

Would you do that?

 

I don't know enough about Markarkansasis. But first blush would be no. Would he be able to start in LF this year at 22 with Dusty in town?

 

 

If I trade Prior or Zambrano, I want an equivalent position player, under 28, who is not a free agent next year.

 

If I get a Zito/Tejada package, it depends on the rest of the deal. Zito is a nice middle of the rotation guy. He's not an ace and never will be, but his lefthandedness and early success will give him a premium in his next contract. I would have to get a guarantee that Tejada will not void his contract or ask for a trade. I would have to be reasonably certain I could sign Zito to a fair deal, and not a 5/60 type contract.

[JeffH]

This is fun to talk about and extremely stress-inducing, all at the same time.

[JeffH]

I would have to get a guarantee that Tejada will not void his contract or ask for a trade.

 

That would absolutely have to come with the deal.

[rawaction]

Tejada a 30 year old that can break down any year now. Didn't we learn a lesson with Nomar on how fast some of these SS's can break down? Zito? What has Zito down the past 2 years? He will also be a FA and most definitely be getting 12 mil. If you think Tejada and Zito is the answer you are mistaken. 3.86 and 4.48 ERA for Zito the past two years. I don't call those numbers #2esque.

Just because Nomar broke down doesn't mean every 30 year old shortstop will break down. Tejada has never shown he is going to be breaking down soon. How has Derek Jeter done the past few years? As for Zito, he has a career 3.50 ERA in the AL. I'd call that #2-esque. Just because he had one mediocre year doesn't mean he's horrible. I'd have no problem giving Zito 12 million a year. He's one the few that will actually deserve that type of money in the coming years.

 

Really? Zito's good. I believe he's a legit #2 type guy, but $12M is ace money. He had a rough start and a rough end to the season, but was great in the middle. It would be one thing if this was his first evidence of mediocrity, but he was bad in 2004. He'll be 28 in 06, and will not get better. I think he'll put up close to his career numbers for 3-4 years, but I don't know that those numbers are worth that much, especially with the increasing potential that he could be worse. For $12M, he better be a lock to put up numbers like his 02-03 numbers.

[JeffH]

Goony, earlier you expressed concern about Tejada possibly having to change positions. Assuming that Tejada could move to 2B and wouldn't have to become a 3B, OF, or 1B, I wouldn't be especially concerned about that, since we wouldn't be moving Cedeno in this deal.

 

Tejada/Cedeno until Tejada has to move (if that happens).

 

Cedeno/Tejada after that.

[YearofDaCubs]

Tejada a 30 year old that can break down any year now. Didn't we learn a lesson with Nomar on how fast some of these SS's can break down? Zito? What has Zito down the past 2 years? He will also be a FA and most definitely be getting 12 mil. If you think Tejada and Zito is the answer you are mistaken. 3.86 and 4.48 ERA for Zito the past two years. I don't call those numbers #2esque.

Just because Nomar broke down doesn't mean every 30 year old shortstop will break down. Tejada has never shown he is going to be breaking down soon. How has Derek Jeter done the past few years? As for Zito, he has a career 3.50 ERA in the AL. I'd call that #2-esque. Just because he had one mediocre year doesn't mean he's horrible. I'd have no problem giving Zito 12 million a year. He's one the few that will actually deserve that type of money in the coming years.

I expect more from my #2 then a 3.86 and 4.48 so it's not just ONE mediocre year. I would have a huge problem giving Zito 12 million when we can have Prior for half of that. I believe Prior is the better pitcher. You can replace Tejadas numbers at a different position you cannot replace Prior's numbers as a starter. You do not trade pitchers like Prior for guys over 30. You are right Jeter has done very well at his age but that doesn't mean the same will follow with Tejada. If you are going to trade a 25 year old pitcher like Prior it would be best to get one that is younger than 30. Tejadas contract also isn't as favorable either.

[abuck1220]

this is absurd. i really hope hendry is not that desperate. if only tejada had been available via free agency recently and the cubs could have gotten him W/O giving up their franchise pitcher.