12/25 - Chicago Bears @ Green Bay Packers

[goonys evil twin]

Good thoughts. The O-line is critical, and depth is always worth drafting, though I probably wouldn't spend a #1 or #2 on it -- spending high picks on the O-line never seems to work.

 

Never? There have been some amazing all-time great franchise tackles taken very early. Tait was a first round draft pick (14th overall). I would have no problem if they selected a top notch tackle in the first, they should be somewhere around the mid 20's, so they won't be getting a huge impact player, regardless. I'd wait until the 3rd or 4th for centers and guards though, and I'd take a late project for any O line position.

 

I meant for the Bears.

 

I don't believe in that kind of stuff. QBs don't work out for the Bears either, but I wouldn't stop trying to develop them. They've had no success with early RBs, but I wouldn't pass on one just because. Columbo was on his way to being a solid tackle before that injury. If there is not an impact TE available, and an olineman rates higher than anybody on the board, I would take that lineman without hesitation. The Bears are old on the line, and need reinforcements.

 

That mid 80's offense was built around some very early O line draft picks. Covert and Van Horne were each first rounders.

[Banedon]

Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with this Harmon forecast on Sportsline.com, but it really irritates me:

 

*Minnesota 21 Chicago 20 -- The Bears appear to be in good shape, but the Vikings are fighting for their playoff lives, which could give them more motivation in this game.

 

So not only does he pick against the Bears for like the 15th time this season, but he has no idea that Minnesota was eliminated from the Playoffs last week????

[goonys evil twin]

Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with this Harmon forecast on Sportsline.com, but it really irritates me:

 

*Minnesota 21 Chicago 20 -- The Bears appear to be in good shape, but the Vikings are fighting for their playoff lives, which could give them more motivation in this game.

 

So not only does he pick against the Bears for like the 15th time this season, but he has no idea that Minnesota was eliminated from the Playoffs last week????

 

I really don't understand how this guy built a reputation as an expert.

[rawaction]

Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with this Harmon forecast on Sportsline.com, but it really irritates me:

 

*Minnesota 21 Chicago 20 -- The Bears appear to be in good shape, but the Vikings are fighting for their playoff lives, which could give them more motivation in this game.

 

So not only does he pick against the Bears for like the 15th time this season, but he has no idea that Minnesota was eliminated from the Playoffs last week????

 

HAHA. I can't wait to see the playoff predictions. NY Giants 48, Bears 3. They are picking bad teams to score 3 TDs against the Bears, what do they think good teams would do?

[goonys evil twin]

Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with this Harmon forecast on Sportsline.com, but it really irritates me:

 

*Minnesota 21 Chicago 20 -- The Bears appear to be in good shape, but the Vikings are fighting for their playoff lives, which could give them more motivation in this game.

 

So not only does he pick against the Bears for like the 15th time this season, but he has no idea that Minnesota was eliminated from the Playoffs last week????

 

HAHA. I can't wait to see the playoff predictions. NY Giants 48, Bears 3. They are picking bad teams to score 3 TDs against the Bears, what do they think good teams would do?

 

I'm pretty certain the Bears will lose this game and give up around 21 points.

[brinoch]

Good thoughts. The O-line is critical, and depth is always worth drafting, though I probably wouldn't spend a #1 or #2 on it -- spending high picks on the O-line never seems to work.

 

Never? There have been some amazing all-time great franchise tackles taken very early. Tait was a first round draft pick (14th overall). I would have no problem if they selected a top notch tackle in the first, they should be somewhere around the mid 20's, so they won't be getting a huge impact player, regardless. I'd wait until the 3rd or 4th for centers and guards though, and I'd take a late project for any O line position.

 

I meant for the Bears.

 

I don't believe in that kind of stuff. QBs don't work out for the Bears either, but I wouldn't stop trying to develop them. They've had no success with early RBs, but I wouldn't pass on one just because. Columbo was on his way to being a solid tackle before that injury. If there is not an impact TE available, and an olineman rates higher than anybody on the board, I would take that lineman without hesitation. The Bears are old on the line, and need reinforcements.

 

That mid 80's offense was built around some very early O line draft picks. Covert and Van Horne were each first rounders.

 

Marcedes Lewis, if he's available, would be a good pick. I don't know that much about possible o-line draft picks, frankly.

[Magnetic Curses]

Maybe I'm a little too obsessed with this Harmon forecast on Sportsline.com, but it really irritates me:

 

*Minnesota 21 Chicago 20 -- The Bears appear to be in good shape, but the Vikings are fighting for their playoff lives, which could give them more motivation in this game.

 

So not only does he pick against the Bears for like the 15th time this season, but he has no idea that Minnesota was eliminated from the Playoffs last week????

 

HAHA. I can't wait to see the playoff predictions. NY Giants 48, Bears 3. They are picking bad teams to score 3 TDs against the Bears, what do they think good teams would do?

 

i like it. i think the fox sports guys picked against the bears every game during their 8-game winning streak, no sense in stopping now.

[Magnetic Curses]

Good thoughts. The O-line is critical, and depth is always worth drafting, though I probably wouldn't spend a #1 or #2 on it -- spending high picks on the O-line never seems to work.

 

Never? There have been some amazing all-time great franchise tackles taken very early. Tait was a first round draft pick (14th overall). I would have no problem if they selected a top notch tackle in the first, they should be somewhere around the mid 20's, so they won't be getting a huge impact player, regardless. I'd wait until the 3rd or 4th for centers and guards though, and I'd take a late project for any O line position.

 

I meant for the Bears.

 

I don't believe in that kind of stuff. QBs don't work out for the Bears either, but I wouldn't stop trying to develop them. They've had no success with early RBs, but I wouldn't pass on one just because. Columbo was on his way to being a solid tackle before that injury. If there is not an impact TE available, and an olineman rates higher than anybody on the board, I would take that lineman without hesitation. The Bears are old on the line, and need reinforcements.

 

That mid 80's offense was built around some very early O line draft picks. Covert and Van Horne were each first rounders.

 

i know i've been disagreeing with you a lot lately goony, i actually DO agree with you on a lot of other issues, but i have to say that a team should pick skill positions first and lineman later, unless guys like gallery or tommie harris are there--guys who are head and shoulders above their peers. just the way i look at it.

[goonys evil twin]

i know i've been disagreeing with you a lot lately goony, i actually DO agree with you on a lot of other issues, but i have to say that a team should pick skill positions first and lineman later, unless guys like gallery or tommie harris are there--guys who are head and shoulders above their peers. just the way i look at it.

 

But those guys are often there. I'm not asking them to reach for a O lineman. Obviously we don't know how it will play out, but they could be picking very late in the 1st, and the top skill position players will likely be gone by then. The Bears have several positions where they could use some help, so I wouldn't put any arbitrary bonus or penalty on different positions. If anything, if there was a lineman graded the same as a RB or WR, I'd take the lineman this year, since they have no young depth there and do have some talented young receivers and a surplus at RB.

[Banedon]

Marcedes Lewis, if he's available, would be a good pick. I don't know that much about possible o-line draft picks, frankly.

 

Matt (Chicago, IL): Do you think that Marcedes Lewis will still be around when the Bears pick in the upcoming draft? I think he would be a huge addition for them and could make an immediate impact next year.

 

Mel Kiper: (1:31 PM ET ) I think a good TE would definitley make an impact and Lewis is in that area. He has great size at 6-6, 255, but will have to show true speed in workouts because he doesn't separate well in pass routes. He's not a top-line blocker, either, but with his hands and natural skills he could definitley make an impact for the Bears or other teams in that late-first or early-second round area.

[Magnetic Curses]

i know i've been disagreeing with you a lot lately goony, i actually DO agree with you on a lot of other issues, but i have to say that a team should pick skill positions first and lineman later, unless guys like gallery or tommie harris are there--guys who are head and shoulders above their peers. just the way i look at it.

 

But those guys are often there. I'm not asking them to reach for a O lineman. Obviously we don't know how it will play out, but they could be picking very late in the 1st, and the top skill position players will likely be gone by then. The Bears have several positions where they could use some help, so I wouldn't put any arbitrary bonus or penalty on different positions. If anything, if there was a lineman graded the same as a RB or WR, I'd take the lineman this year, since they have no young depth there and do have some talented young receivers and a surplus at RB.

 

oh, i agree with drafting by need first, don't get me wrong. and you clarified yourself by stating that you wouldn't reach, even if the need was there. so, i gotcha.

[BigbadB]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

[brinoch]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

[Magnetic Curses]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

 

oooh, what about ced benson and our pick to the cardinals for the likely #9. that way we can pick up lewis and forget all about the RB controversy?

[Banedon]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

 

oooh, what about ced benson and our pick to the cardinals for the likely #9. that way we can pick up lewis and forget all about the RB controversy?

 

Bah..think big...let's trade up for Bush! :wave:

[goonys evil twin]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

 

oooh, what about ced benson and our pick to the cardinals for the likely #9. that way we can pick up lewis and forget all about the RB controversy?

 

Jones is not an elite back. He's had injuries each of the past two year, and might not have more than 2 years left in him.

 

You are basically saying the Bears should spend the #4 in 2005 and #25-28 in 2006 on a TE that many believe will be available later in the first anyway. No thanks. They need the RB depth (where is this controversy?) and would take a major salary cap hit on that deal. Draft picks lose significant value as soon as they are used. I wouldn't sell my new car right after buying it, and I wouldn't trade an early 1st round RB one year after drafting him.

 

Don't get silly going after a need position unless that guy is a sure thing stud. This guy doesn't sound like a sure thing by any stretch.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

 

oooh, what about ced benson and our pick to the cardinals for the likely #9. that way we can pick up lewis and forget all about the RB controversy?

We don't have the cap space to take that sort of hit.

[rawaction]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

I would draft a TE, and get one in Free Agency. The blocking TE would be a veteran acquired via trade. And draft a young pass catcher. I don't know if I would draft one early though, unless Lewis is there in the mid-late 20s.

 

I would love to get an OLB in the 1st and TE in the 2nd.

[goonys evil twin]

Bah..think big...let's trade up for Bush! :wave:

 

Jones, Gage, #1s in 2006 and 2007, a #3 in 2006 and #4 in 2007?

 

I don't have any idea what it would really take, but I'm not sure the Bears are a deep enough team to shed as many picks and players as it will take to get him.

 

I have a feeling New Orleans will have a really tough time signing whoever their #1 pick is, especially Leinert or Bush, guys looking to cash in on marketing deals. If they end up with the #1 overall they might be the most willing to trade down for lower picks who have less leverage to sit out.

[YearofDaCubs]

I have to agree with everyone regarding the draft. TE in the first round please. We have a terrible corps of TEs right now and in the current NFL we need an impact TE. I think Angelo will also draft somebody for the OL. We really don't have that many holes on defense. Maybe another corner in the middle rounds to replace Azumah whom I don't think will be back. I'm not too high on Hillenmeyer although he has been playing better this year than last I think an upgrade there wouldn't hurt either. It will be interesting to see what Angelo does with the picks.

[Banedon]

I don't have any idea what it would really take, but I'm not sure the Bears are a deep enough team to shed as many picks and players as it will take to get him.

 

Oh I agree...was just having a bit of fun. :)

[Magnetic Curses]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

 

oooh, what about ced benson and our pick to the cardinals for the likely #9. that way we can pick up lewis and forget all about the RB controversy?

 

Jones is not an elite back. He's had injuries each of the past two year, and might not have more than 2 years left in him.

 

You are basically saying the Bears should spend the #4 in 2005 and #25-28 in 2006 on a TE that many believe will be available later in the first anyway. No thanks. They need the RB depth (where is this controversy?) and would take a major salary cap hit on that deal. Draft picks lose significant value as soon as they are used. I wouldn't sell my new car right after buying it, and I wouldn't trade an early 1st round RB one year after drafting him.

 

Don't get silly going after a need position unless that guy is a sure thing stud. This guy doesn't sound like a sure thing by any stretch.

 

but jones has been an elite back this year. he's run largely behind a line going up against 8 man fronts. the trend with jones has been to improve every single year, there's no telling if next year will be even better for him. i'm not sure where you see decline, most backs lose about 2 games per year anyway due to bumps and bruises. he's in his prime, that's gotten better every single year in the league, why start predicting a dropoff next year?

 

where isn't the controversy? jones will likely start next year as the #1 back, push benson's development back another year, meanwhile, the best back we have might be peterson, anyway.

 

well bocf seems to think we can't take the cap hit anyway, so why bother even pursuing this conversation?

[Magnetic Curses]

Tight End please.

 

Either through draft or free agency.

 

Or a trade. Angelos has been pretty good with trades.

 

oooh, what about ced benson and our pick to the cardinals for the likely #9. that way we can pick up lewis and forget all about the RB controversy?

We don't have the cap space to take that sort of hit.

 

what about a trade up for hawk?

[Magnetic Curses]

some drafts have us taking vernon davis.

[Banedon]

some drafts have us taking vernon davis.

 

He's a junior...do we know he's going to be in the draft?