as awful as our offseason has been.....

[minnesotacubsfan]

is it possible that the cardinals are having a worse offseason???

 

 

discuss....

[ThePenguin11]

Why, did Pujols retire? Short of that happening, their losses and lack of solid acquisitions still leave them a better team than the Cubs.

[YearofDaCubs]

Cardinals still have one of the best offenses and solid rotation. They still win the Central as far as I'm concerned.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I actually just had a horrible thought...

 

 

reyes + for tejeda..slide eckstien to 2b

 

:titanic:

[CubinNY]

Cardinals still have one of the best offenses and solid rotation. They still win the Central as far as I'm concerned.

 

Look out for Millwalkee, they could be the 06 White Sox.

[Outshined_One]

I actually just had a horrible thought...

 

 

reyes + for tejeda..slide eckstien to 2b

 

:titanic:

 

Considering the Orioles are supposedly looking for an All Star-caliber player in a trade for Miggy, I'm guessing it would cost quite a bit more than that to land Tejada.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Why, did Pujols retire? Short of that happening, their losses and lack of solid acquisitions still leave them a better team than the Cubs.

 

I think Rolen became unhealthier too...

[minnesotacubsfan]

I actually just had a horrible thought...

 

 

reyes + for tejeda..slide eckstien to 2b

 

:titanic:

 

Considering the Orioles are supposedly looking for an All Star-caliber player in a trade for Miggy, I'm guessing it would cost quite a bit more than that to land Tejada.

 

woops.....your right...insert carp....

[SantoForHOF]

i don't think our off-season is as bad as people make it out to be. not to mention it's december freakin' 16th.

[goonys evil twin]

i don't think our off-season is as bad as people make it out to be. not to mention it's december freakin' 16th.

 

And there's not a lot of good players left to make the team any better on December freaking 17th.

 

The offseason is bad because they haven't gotten better. This was a bad team that needed a lot of help, not just tweaks among role players.

[erik316wttn]

Cardinals still have one of the best offenses and solid rotation. They still win the Central as far as I'm concerned.

 

Look out for Millwalkee, they could be the 06 White Sox.

 

I don't know if they're that good yet. But give them this year yet, maybe the year after, and they'll be legit playoff contenders.

[CubfaninCA]

Howry, Eyre and Pierre are awful??

 

The list of players who could be on the move or are free agents is: Manny, Abreu, Tejada, Green, Burrell, Wilkerson, Milwood, Damon, Floyd, Washburn and Weaver for starters....

 

A lot could still happen.

[goonys evil twin]

Howry, Eyre and Pierre are awful??

 

The list of players who could be on the move or are free agents is: Manny, Abreu, Tejada, Green, Burrell, Wilkerson, Milwood, Damon, Floyd, Washburn and Weaver for starters....

 

A lot could still happen.

 

Did somebody say they were awful?

 

They're role players, secondary moves, nice additions to a good team, but hardly anything to hang your hat on if you're coming off a losing season and have the holes the Cubs have. Hendry has time to salvage this mess, but it is a mess, it's been a mess for a while, and it will continue to be a mess unless he changes his ways.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Cards are better than us and are still a good team. This doesn't change the fact that their offseason has been awful to date.

[CubfaninCA]

Howry, Eyre and Pierre are awful??

 

The list of players who could be on the move or are free agents is: Manny, Abreu, Tejada, Green, Burrell, Wilkerson, Milwood, Damon, Floyd, Washburn and Weaver for starters....

 

A lot could still happen

Did somebody say they were awful?

 

They're role players, secondary moves, nice additions to a good team, but hardly anything to hang your hat on if you're coming off a losing season and have the holes the Cubs have. Hendry has time to salvage this mess, but it is a mess, it's been a mess for a while, and it will

 

 

A title w/ as awful as our offseason... Tells me yes.

 

It's a mess if you have little faith in Prior. I can't see a 3rd down year for him though.

[abuck1220]

Howry, Eyre and Pierre are awful??

 

The list of players who could be on the move or are free agents is: Manny, Abreu, Tejada, Green, Burrell, Wilkerson, Milwood, Damon, Floyd, Washburn and Weaver for starters....

 

A lot could still happen.

 

Did somebody say they were awful?

 

They're role players, secondary moves, nice additions to a good team, but hardly anything to hang your hat on if you're coming off a losing season and have the holes the Cubs have. Hendry has time to salvage this mess, but it is a mess, it's been a mess for a while, and it will continue to be a mess unless he changes his ways.

 

the problem is, i honestly think that hendry feels as though last year's team needed only minor tweaking. bullpen help, a leadoff guy, john mabry, and i think he thinks the cubs are ready to contend. i think he's fine w/ getting someone w/ burnitz's production for rf.

[USSoccer]

Howry, Eyre and Pierre are awful??

 

The list of players who could be on the move or are free agents is: Manny, Abreu, Tejada, Green, Burrell, Wilkerson, Milwood, Damon, Floyd, Washburn and Weaver for starters....

 

A lot could still happen

Did somebody say they were awful?

 

They're role players, secondary moves, nice additions to a good team, but hardly anything to hang your hat on if you're coming off a losing season and have the holes the Cubs have. Hendry has time to salvage this mess, but it is a mess, it's been a mess for a while, and it will

 

 

A title w/ as awful as our offseason... Tells me yes.

 

It's a mess if you have little faith in Prior. I can't see a 3rd down year for him though.

 

Where did you see anything about Prior in Goony's post? Also, what does it matter if Prior has a good year? If we don't score runs more consistently, he can put up a sub 2 ERA and still lose games. That goes for all of our good pitchers.

 

The "One Big Problem" that the Cubs have had for the past 3 seasons is offensive consistency. With offensive consistency, they run away with the Central in 2003 and don't have to completely nuke Wood and Prior down the stretch. With offensive consistency, they make the playoffs in 2004 despite injuries, and with offensive consistency they could have competed for at least the WC in 2005.

 

Erye, Howry and Pierre are really nice moves IF we get a legit run producer in RF. If we don't do that, and settle for the best available like Jones or Wilson, we will have to count on luck, regression from the Cards and Astros and health to win in 2006. I'd rather not leave all of that to chance.

[E.J.]

Rotoworld:

 

Kirk Rueter - S - Giants

 

 

The Cardinals may sign Kirk Rueter to compete with Anthony Reyes for the vacancy in their rotation, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

Braden Looper, Aaron Miles and Rueter. Maybe the Brewers really will have a chance in the NL Central next season. Dec. 16 - 11:11 pm et

Source: FOXSports.com

 

I'm liking the way Jocketty is thinking lately. :twisted:

[frostwyrm]

With offensive consistency, they run away with the Central in 2003 and don't have to completely nuke Wood and Prior down the stretch.

 

The Cubs really did nuke those guys down the stretch. They finished #1 and #2 in the major leagues in pitches per game for the season, and the pitch counts down the stretch were especially brutal. They haven't been the same since then. Coincidence? You have to wonder.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Rotoworld:

 

Kirk Rueter - S - Giants

 

 

The Cardinals may sign Kirk Rueter to compete with Anthony Reyes for the vacancy in their rotation, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

Braden Looper, Aaron Miles and Rueter. Maybe the Brewers really will have a chance in the NL Central next season. Dec. 16 - 11:11 pm et

Source: FOXSports.com

 

I'm liking the way Jocketty is thinking lately. :twisted:

 

 

this is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I started this topic...ol' Walter just doenst seem to have the midas touch this season....

 

 

***knock on wood***

[CardsFanInChiTown]

You guys just wait.

 

:D

[treebird]

i wonder what it feels like to feel that way about your team.

[Andy]

Rotoworld:

 

Kirk Rueter - S - Giants

 

 

The Cardinals may sign Kirk Rueter to compete with Anthony Reyes for the vacancy in their rotation, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

Braden Looper, Aaron Miles and Rueter. Maybe the Brewers really will have a chance in the NL Central next season. Dec. 16 - 11:11 pm et

Source: FOXSports.com

 

I'm liking the way Jocketty is thinking lately. :twisted:

Anyone else think Walt is purposely signing the crappiest free agents he can find in order to prove once and for all that wearing a Cardinal uniform makes you a better ballplayer?

 

I'm really trying to find a rational explanation for all these bad moves he seems to be pursuing.

[CubsWin]

You guys just wait.

 

:D

Why should we wait to bash the Cardinals' incomplete offseason if we aren't going to wait to bash the Cubs' incomplete offseason? :lol:

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Rotoworld:

 

Kirk Rueter - S - Giants

 

 

The Cardinals may sign Kirk Rueter to compete with Anthony Reyes for the vacancy in their rotation, according to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal.

Braden Looper, Aaron Miles and Rueter. Maybe the Brewers really will have a chance in the NL Central next season. Dec. 16 - 11:11 pm et

Source: FOXSports.com

 

I'm liking the way Jocketty is thinking lately. :twisted:

 

 

this is EXACTLY what I was thinking when I started this topic...ol' Walter just doenst seem to have the midas touch this season....

 

 

***knock on wood***

Don't knock too hard, he doesn't need ANOTHER surgery.