I propose another deal with Florida

[tspain]

Though I like the kids, and our minor leagues, I propose the following trade. Don't tear it up too bad now folks.

 

Murton, Cedeno, Williams, Wuerst, Hill, Pie, Dopirak, Harvey,

 

for

 

Cabrera and Willis

 

 

Imagine the lineup and the starting rotation. That is why I would make the deal.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

[ChiCubsFan]

Though I like the kids, and our minor leagues, I propose the following trade. Don't tear it up too bad now folks.

 

Murton, Cedeno, Williams, Wuerst, Hill, Pie, Dopirak, Harvey,

 

for

 

Cabrera and Willis

 

 

Imagine the lineup and the starting rotation. That is why I would make the deal.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

I really doubt Florida wants to trade Cabrera or Dontrelle.

[rocket]

That's a lot of prospects, and Florida woud never do it anyways.

[ChiCubsFan]

That's a lot of prospects, and Florida woud never do it anyways.

 

I would do it in a second if I was the Cubs, but like you said, Florida would never do it anyways.

[professahesse]

Yeah, the Marlins are having a fire sale not an estate auction

[coolpoppa]

No doubt that this would be a great deal for the Cubs. I'd say pull the trigger in a second on this deal, but unfortunately, the Marlins aren't that desperate. Don't get me wrong, that's a great list of prospects, but it's not enough to get Willis and Cabrera....you'd have to throw in a young proven MLB established player in there.....

 

oh yeah....and it's Wuertz.

[anemic offense]

I wouldn't do that trade. As great a hitter Cabrera is his attitude stinks and he can't play defense. In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06. Not to mention (although it would be a plus for an OF), this team doesn't need the substantial power anyways. Sure it helps, but as we saw last year, there comes a point to where additional power is worthless (especially if guys aren't on base). I just don't think Cabrera is the type of player the Cubs should sell the farm on, even if he is young.

 

Dtrain is a different story. He's a tremendous pitcher, a good hitter, is left'handed, has a tremedous attitude, and brings marketing $$$$$$ galore. But as the other posters say, Florida is in no way, shape, or form willing to trade a cheap marketable star. Besides, do any of you think Hendry is willing to like a bigger fool than he already has by trading for him back?? Then again the way things are going for this team who knows.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

[anemic offense]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

No. Cedeno's gonna be a star.

[WrigleyField 22]

Though I like the kids, and our minor leagues, I propose the following trade. Don't tear it up too bad now folks.

 

Murton, Cedeno, Williams, Wuerst, Hill, Pie, Dopirak, Harvey, EPatterson, Marshall, Guzman, Hill, Gallaher, Sing, Marmol, $100,000,000

 

for

 

Cabrera and Willis

 

 

Imagine the lineup and the starting rotation. That is why I would make the deal.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

 

Fixed

[anemic offense]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

Just in case you misinterpreted the above, it's suppose to be collectively not separately. And that's not just offense. I'm talking offense, defense, speed, and overall intagibles. In particular Cedeno. The dimension he were to add is much more important to THIS team than what Cabrera would.

[ChiCubsFan]

I just don't think Cabrera is the type of player the Cubs should sell the farm on, even if he is young.

 

Then what is the type of hitter we need? The guy had a .385 OBP and a .561 SLG and he is just gonna get better.

 

Dtrain is a different story. He's a tremendous pitcher, a good hitter, is left'handed, has a tremedous attitude, and brings marketing $$$$$$ galore. But as the other posters say, Florida is in no way, shape, or form willing to trade a cheap marketable star. Besides, do any of you think Hendry is willing to like a bigger fool than he already has by trading for him back?? Then again the way things are going for this team who knows.

 

First of all, why does it matter that he's a good hitter?

 

I understand what you mean by Hendry looking stupid for trading Dontrelle and then trading back for him, but I don't think he'd look like a fool at all. If he convinced Florida to do this, I would think he would look like a genious.

[Coach.]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

Just in case you misinterpreted the above, it's suppose to be collectively not separately. And that's not just offense. I'm talking offense, defense, speed, and overall intagibles. In particular Cedeno. The dimension he were to add is much more important to THIS team than what Cabrera would.

 

Unfortunately for that argument, you'd have to consider Cabrera + FLA SS. Cabrera's numbers should slip, but only because the batting order around him s/b drastically worse from last season.

[ChiCubsFan]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

Just in case you misinterpreted the above, it's suppose to be collectively not separately. And that's not just offense. I'm talking offense, defense, speed, and overall intagibles. In particular Cedeno. The dimension he were to add is much more important to THIS team than what Cabrera would.

 

REALLY? What demension is that? He isn't particularly fast and his offense is nowhere near Cabreras. It's a joke to even compare the two.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

Just in case you misinterpreted the above, it's suppose to be collectively not separately. And that's not just offense. I'm talking offense, defense, speed, and overall intagibles. In particular Cedeno. The dimension he were to add is much more important to THIS team than what Cabrera would.

He put up a .950 OPS last year while playing half of his games in an extreme pitcher's park. He put up a 1.016 OPS on the road. Oh yeah, he's only 22 years old. Fielding and baserunning may take away a little bit of his value, but don't kid yourself he would cost a ton to acquire.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

And he is probably in the top 10 players in the majors in terms of trade value.

[YearofDaCubs]

I would love to see Cedeno play and start for us but putting him in the same category as Cabrera is just crazy.

[erik316wttn]

Cabrera and Dontrelle no doubt would be great here, but I don't know if you want to completely clean out the farm system for any player.

[anemic offense]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

Just in case you misinterpreted the above, it's suppose to be collectively not separately. And that's not just offense. I'm talking offense, defense, speed, and overall intagibles. In particular Cedeno. The dimension he were to add is much more important to THIS team than what Cabrera would.

 

REALLY? What demension is that? He isn't particularly fast and his offense is nowhere near Cabreras. It's a joke to even compare the two.

 

You guys are misinterpreting what I'm saying. Although I stated Cedeno + Murton > than Cabrera its not just based on the stats or on the numbers, rather the overall importance they'd have on THIS team. What I'm saying is, Cedeno and Murton fulfill a greater overall need than does Cabrera.

 

Ask yourselves, what were the greatest deficiencies (offesively) of this team last year? It sure as hell wasn't power, rather it was a lack of speed, OBP, lead off presence, and the abilitly to perform situational contact. Although Cabrera fulfills the first need, he certainly doesn't fulfill the latter. More importantly, his impact on this lineup would be far less than it is in Florida. There he and Delgado were THE ONLY consistent power sources. However this lineup already has a bonafide 3 and 4 hitter, while Barrett (if Dusty would quit misusing him in the 8th) would be a good 5 or 6 hitter. Even though this lineup should be less powerful than last years, it should be more than suffucient, especially if we find a capable RFer. Again its not that I don't think Cabrera COULDN't work in our lineup, rather he just doesn't provide a necessital upgrade to constiute giving away two young players that do.

 

In the end I feel this team needed to add more speed, OBP, guys fundamentally sound, and a little bit of youth. Although Cedeno and Murton are both relative unprovens, I feel they give this team its BEST chance at providing that (while allowing for payroll flexibilit). And if you think this team truly needs another big bopper just look at the WS champs over the last several years. Although the Red Sox had a pretty powerful lineup, the rest one because they had a properly constructed lineup. They had speed and OBP at the top, capable mid order sluggers, and were able to do the fundamentals that give you a run or two. Unfortunately, for the last several years, this team has been inept in 2 of these 3 categories. Maybe their not the PERFECT solutions, but I think they're a start. I'm also willing to bet a lot of you underestimate the impact these 2 will have on THIS TEAM. For all our sakes I hope I'm right.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Cabrera and Dontrelle no doubt would be great here, but I don't know if you want to completely clean out the farm system for any player.

 

Unless their names are M. Cabrera and D. Willis

 

:wink:

[burnt out cubbie fan]

In addition, I'm willing to bet (if given the proper chance) Cedeno + Murton > Cabrera for 06.

You're kidding, right?

 

Just in case you misinterpreted the above, it's suppose to be collectively not separately. And that's not just offense. I'm talking offense, defense, speed, and overall intagibles. In particular Cedeno. The dimension he were to add is much more important to THIS team than what Cabrera would.

 

REALLY? What demension is that? He isn't particularly fast and his offense is nowhere near Cabreras. It's a joke to even compare the two.

 

You guys are misinterpreting what I'm saying. Although I stated Cedeno + Murton > than Cabrera its not just based on the stats or on the numbers, rather the overall importance they'd have on THIS team. What I'm saying is, Cedeno and Murton fulfill a greater overall need than does Cabrera.

 

Ask yourselves, what were the greatest deficiencies (offesively) of this team last year? It sure as hell wasn't power, rather it was a lack of speed, OBP, lead off presence, and the abilitly to perform situational contact. Although Cabrera fulfills the first need, he certainly doesn't fulfill the latter. More importantly, his impact on this lineup would be far less than it is in Florida. There he and Delgado were THE ONLY consistent power sources. However this lineup already has a bonafide 3 and 4 hitter, while Barrett (if Dusty would quit misusing him in the 8th) would be a good 5 or 6 hitter. Even though this lineup should be less powerful than last years, it should be more than suffucient, especially if we find a capable RFer. Again its not that I don't think Cabrera COULDN't work in our lineup, rather he just doesn't provide a necessital upgrade to constiute giving away two young players that do.

 

In the end I feel this team needed to add more speed, OBP, guys fundamentally sound, and a little bit of youth. Although Cedeno and Murton are both relative unprovens, I feel they give this team its BEST chance at providing that (while allowing for payroll flexibilit). And if you think this team truly needs another big bopper just look at the WS champs over the last several years. Although the Red Sox had a pretty powerful lineup, the rest one because they had a properly constructed lineup. They had speed and OBP at the top, capable mid order sluggers, and were able to do the fundamentals that give you a run or two. Unfortunately, for the last several years, this team has been inept in 2 of these 3 categories. Maybe their not the PERFECT solutions, but I think they're a start. I'm also willing to bet a lot of you underestimate the impact these 2 will have on THIS TEAM. For all our sakes I hope I'm right.

What's the problem with having OBP and power? Miguel's OBP last year was .385. That's pretty good to me. I would rather have Cabrera and a replacement level player than Murton and Cedeno.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'll go one step further, I'd take Pokey Reece at SS if it meant Cabrera was in LF.

[muntjack]

And he is probably in the top 10 players in the majors in terms of trade value.

 

#1, I think.

 

Compare his numbers at age 22 to Pujols at age "22". Scary.

 

Cabrera is also a natural third baseman, and is being paid peanuts.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I would take Johan Santana and Jake Peavy ahead of him. Zambrano would be right there also. I'm not sure I can find a hitter that I would trade straight up and be happy with it, especially long term.

 

edit: hmm..I would do Pujols for Cabrera.

Edited December 15, 2005 by burnt out cubbie fan

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Also, if Felix Hernandez can stay healthy this year he would be added to the top of that list.