Dodgers trade Bradley to A's

[Kingmanarama]

So what you're saying is that comparatively the Pierre deal totally sucks for the Cubs.

 

Ethier probably would've entered the season ranked as one of Oakland's top 2 or 3 prospects, no? Maybe just behind Daric Barton. He's not just some scrub. I can't see how this trade tells us anything about the Pierre deal.

 

And it baffles me that anyone thinks we could have dealt for Bradley and thereby filled a hole in right field. His rates are nice, but he only plays half-seasons. He was just one of many lousy RF options, and now he's off the board. Eh.

[YearofDaCubs]

Let's get ready for another mediocre season. Thanks Hendry.

[CubinNY]

So what you're saying is that comparatively the Pierre deal totally sucks for the Cubs.

 

Ethier probably would've entered the season ranked as one of Oakland's top 2 or 3 prospects, no? Maybe just behind Daric Barton. He's not just some scrub. I can't see how this trade tells us anything about the Pierre deal.

 

And it baffles me that anyone thinks we could have dealt for Bradley and thereby filled a hole in right field. His rates are nice, but he only plays half-seasons. He was just one of many lousy RF options, and now he's off the board. Eh.

 

I agree. Bradley was a bigger upgrade then Pierre in CF but not so much in RF. In addition, LA got a good return on investment.

[JC]

They got Bradley for ONE prospect? That makes the Pierre deal look pretty bad for the Cubs.

 

Or it could be an indication of how little MLB GM's value the addition of Bradley to their team. The mid-level prospect the Dodger's received was probably pretty close to the best offer they saw from any team.

 

Place Bradley's stats, talent and age on any other outfielder and they would offer a much higher return. When considering the baggage Bradley brings along...........the value plummets.

 

I'm glad Hendry stayed away.

 

has hendry proven to be a better gm than beane? i don't think so.

 

Billy Beane hasn't won anything! He's no better than Hendry! Its a good thing you don't run the Cubs! You love Moneyball! DePodesta failed! Riccardi is a spendthrift! Epstein was secretly fired because he was inept! Stop the Beane manlove!

 

Its the standard anti-Beane stuff I usually receive. I thought you might enjoy it, Abuck.

[RockTheIvy]

I am thinking for some reason that Bradley is still gonna be a Cub with us doing a deal with Oakland.I think Hendry had made him a target and couldn't get a deal done with the Dodgers now he can trade with Beane instead. Remember Barrett?

 

Very possible. Beane and Hendry work pretty well together.

 

Opposites attract.

 

Sweet Paula Abdul song.

[RockTheIvy]

They got Bradley for ONE prospect? That makes the Pierre deal look pretty bad for the Cubs.

 

Or it could be an indication of how little MLB GM's value the addition of Bradley to their team. The mid-level prospect the Dodger's received was probably pretty close to the best offer they saw from any team.

 

Place Bradley's stats, talent and age on any other outfielder and they would offer a much higher return. When considering the baggage Bradley brings along...........the value plummets.

 

I'm glad Hendry stayed away.

 

has hendry proven to be a better gm than beane? i don't think so.

 

Billy Beane hasn't won anything! He's no better than Hendry! Its a good thing you don't run the Cubs! You love Moneyball! DePodesta failed! Riccardi is a spendthrift! Epstein was secretly fired because he was inept! Stop the Beane manlove!

 

Its the standard anti-Beane stuff I usually receive. I thought you might enjoy it, Abuck.

 

What a victim!

[jmajew]

So what you're saying is that comparatively the Pierre deal totally sucks for the Cubs.

 

Ethier probably would've entered the season ranked as one of Oakland's top 2 or 3 prospects, no? Maybe just behind Daric Barton. He's not just some scrub. I can't see how this trade tells us anything about the Pierre deal.

 

And it baffles me that anyone thinks we could have dealt for Bradley and thereby filled a hole in right field. His rates are nice, but he only plays half-seasons. He was just one of many lousy RF options, and now he's off the board. Eh.

 

Bradley was not the solution in RF, but he was the best option we had, imo. Bradley has only played more than 101 games in 1 out of 6 seasons. I think that is a very problematic stat. I don't know the nature of the injuries but that does kind of scare me.

 

If Hendry was scared of Nomar's injury problems it would be my bet that Bradley was not Hendry's top option for RF.

[JC]

They got Bradley for ONE prospect? That makes the Pierre deal look pretty bad for the Cubs.

 

Or it could be an indication of how little MLB GM's value the addition of Bradley to their team. The mid-level prospect the Dodger's received was probably pretty close to the best offer they saw from any team.

 

Place Bradley's stats, talent and age on any other outfielder and they would offer a much higher return. When considering the baggage Bradley brings along...........the value plummets.

 

I'm glad Hendry stayed away.

 

has hendry proven to be a better gm than beane? i don't think so.

 

Billy Beane hasn't won anything! He's no better than Hendry! Its a good thing you don't run the Cubs! You love Moneyball! DePodesta failed! Riccardi is a spendthrift! Epstein was secretly fired because he was inept! Stop the Beane manlove!

 

Its the standard anti-Beane stuff I usually receive. I thought you might enjoy it, Abuck.

 

What a victim!

 

Oh, I'm no victim. Never meant to be one. I was just having some fun with Abuck. I do think, however, that Beane usually gets held to an unfair standard by his detractors.

[RockTheIvy]

They got Bradley for ONE prospect? That makes the Pierre deal look pretty bad for the Cubs.

 

Or it could be an indication of how little MLB GM's value the addition of Bradley to their team. The mid-level prospect the Dodger's received was probably pretty close to the best offer they saw from any team.

 

Place Bradley's stats, talent and age on any other outfielder and they would offer a much higher return. When considering the baggage Bradley brings along...........the value plummets.

 

I'm glad Hendry stayed away.

 

has hendry proven to be a better gm than beane? i don't think so.

 

Billy Beane hasn't won anything! He's no better than Hendry! Its a good thing you don't run the Cubs! You love Moneyball! DePodesta failed! Riccardi is a spendthrift! Epstein was secretly fired because he was inept! Stop the Beane manlove!

 

Its the standard anti-Beane stuff I usually receive. I thought you might enjoy it, Abuck.

 

What a victim!

 

Oh, I'm no victim. Never meant to be one. I was just having some fun with Abuck. I do think, however, that Beane usually gets held to an unfair standard by his detractors.

 

You're probably right. Either way, I was just messin.

[BigbadB]

So what you're saying is that comparatively the Pierre deal totally sucks for the Cubs.

 

Ethier probably would've entered the season ranked as one of Oakland's top 2 or 3 prospects, no? Maybe just behind Daric Barton. He's not just some scrub. I can't see how this trade tells us anything about the Pierre deal.

 

And it baffles me that anyone thinks we could have dealt for Bradley and thereby filled a hole in right field. His rates are nice, but he only plays half-seasons. He was just one of many lousy RF options, and now he's off the board. Eh.

 

Bradley was not the solution in RF, but he was the best option we had, imo. Bradley has only played more than 101 games in 1 out of 6 seasons. I think that is a very problematic stat. I don't know the nature of the injuries but that does kind of scare me.

 

If Hendry was scared of Nomar's injury problems it would be my bet that Bradley was not Hendry's top option for RF.

 

I keep seeing this 101 games in 6 seasons stuff, and I must finally interject. Cleveland has been spitting out OFer's like crazy these last 10 some odd years. Part of the reason Bradley hasn't played more than 101 games a season are plentiful.

 

#1. He played some of those games in the minors.

#2. He was platooned or sat the bench while others got their opportunities.

#3. Yes, he has had some injuries.

 

Here are the years and the list of players he was competing for time with for only 3 outfield spots. Granted, some of these guys were garbage, ended up becoming garbage, were overpaid and played, or were decent:

 

2000-Vladmir Guerrero, Wilton Guerrero, Peter Bergeron, Rondell White

 

2001- Vladmir Guerrero, Tim Raines, Peter Bergeron, Brad Wilkerson, Mark Smith, Geoff Blum.

 

2001 with Cleveland-Juan Gonzalez, Marty Cordova, Kenny Lofton, Chris Magruder, Ellis Burks, Wil Cordero, Jolbert Cabrera, Dave Roberts, Jacob Cruz, Karim Garcia, Russell Branyan

 

2002-Matt Lawton, Karim Garcia, Chris Magruder, Ben Broussard, Russell Branyan, Coco Crisp, Jolbert Cabrera

 

2003-Jody Gerut, Shane Spencer, Alex Escobar, Ryan Ludwick, Karim Garcia, Matt Lawton, Chris Magruder, Coco Crisp

 

2004- Shawn Green, Dave Roberts, Steve Finley, Juan Encarnacion, Jayson Werth

 

Now, can we quit saying that Bradley is injury prone because he missed part of last season because of a broken finger? He had to battle for playing time more often than he was out because of injuries.

[imb]

wtg jim

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Beane looks like Dr. Jonathan Crane in that pic.

[Sweet Swinging Billy]

I get so sick and tired of all these posters that do nothing but blast Hendry, already they have given up all hope for next year. Oh please! people are so negative, and then the first moment Hendry pulls off a trade they like, they're singing Hendry's praises. I for one, am glad that Jim Hendry is our GM and not some of the posters (including myself) on this board. Remember that it takes two parties to make a trade. Why is it always,solely Hendry's fault when we don't acquire a player we want through a trade or free agency? A Cub fan is never satisfied. Edited December 14, 2005 by Sweet Swinging Billy

[imb]

I get so sick and tired of all these posters that do nothing but blast Hendry, already they have given up all hope for next year. Oh please! people are so negative, and then the first moment Hendry pulls off a trade they like, they're singing Hendry's praises. I for one, am glad that Jim Hendry is our GM and not some of the posters (including myself) on this board.

 

Yeah, i hate those people that criticize him when he does something stupid, and praise him when he does something good. I mean, that's just kooky talk!

[YearofDaCubs]

I get so sick and tired of all these posters that do nothing but blast Hendry, already they have given up all hope for next year. Oh please! people are so negative, and then the first moment Hendry pulls off a trade they like, they're singing Hendry's praises. I for one, am glad that Jim Hendry is our GM and not some of the posters (including myself) on this board. Remember that it takes two parties to make a trade. Why is it always,solely Hendry's fault when we don't acquire a player we want through a trade or free agency? A Cub fan is never satisfied.

I get so sick and tired of people when they get so optimistic about the season when clearly there are several holes on this team and have possibly regressed yet again for the 2nd consecutive year. Let's get ready to light up the firworks boys!

[Kingmanarama]

Now, can we quit saying that Bradley is injury prone because he missed part of last season because of a broken finger? He had to battle for playing time more often than he was out because of injuries.

 

Um...no. And actually, I didn't say he was injury-prone. I said he plays half-seasons. But whatever. He is, at the very least, a little incident-prone, isn't he?

 

2005 -- 60-day DL with torn patella tendon; 15-day DL with torn finger ligament.

 

2004 -- Missed time due to hamstring problems, right shoulder problems, "irritation near his right eyelid," an injured left ankle, and a rib cage problem. He was also suspended in June, then again in September. During the offseason, he served a three-day jail term for an old traffic incident, and was arrested for disorderly conduct.

 

2003 -- Missed a month with back spasms. Also missed time with an abdominal strain, and went on the 15-day DL with a hamstring injury.

 

Link.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

2004 -- Missed time due to hamstring problems, right shoulder problems, "irritation near his right eyelid," an injured left ankle, and a rib cage problem. He was also suspended in June, then again in September. During the offseason, he served a three-day jail term for an old traffic incident, and was arrested for disorderly conduct.

 

Quite impressive that he managed to play 141 games with all that keeping him down.

[YearofDaCubs]

There's no doubting Bradley had excess baggage but he is talented and he would be an upgrade over what we had in RF last year. It doesn't matter now considering he went to the A's. Now we have the luxury of awaiting JJones or Encarnacion in RF next year.

[BigbadB]

He is, at the very least, a little incident-prone, isn't he?

 

Yep, but you ignored quoting the part of my post where I said that. Thanks for that!

[abuck1220]

They got Bradley for ONE prospect? That makes the Pierre deal look pretty bad for the Cubs.

 

Or it could be an indication of how little MLB GM's value the addition of Bradley to their team. The mid-level prospect the Dodger's received was probably pretty close to the best offer they saw from any team.

 

Place Bradley's stats, talent and age on any other outfielder and they would offer a much higher return. When considering the baggage Bradley brings along...........the value plummets.

 

I'm glad Hendry stayed away.

 

has hendry proven to be a better gm than beane? i don't think so.

 

Billy Beane hasn't won anything! He's no better than Hendry! Its a good thing you don't run the Cubs! You love Moneyball! DePodesta failed! Riccardi is a spendthrift! Epstein was secretly fired because he was inept! Stop the Beane manlove!

 

Its the standard anti-Beane stuff I usually receive. I thought you might enjoy it, Abuck.

 

i do sleep w/ a copy of moneyball under my pillow.

[indifferent]

But whatever. He is, at the very least, a little incident-prone, isn't he?

 

That's great, can I steal that and apply it to Scott Rolen?

[Ram1380]

They got Bradley for ONE prospect? That makes the Pierre deal look pretty bad for the Cubs.

 

Or it could be an indication of how little MLB GM's value the addition of Bradley to their team. The mid-level prospect the Dodger's received was probably pretty close to the best offer they saw from any team.

 

Place Bradley's stats, talent and age on any other outfielder and they would offer a much higher return. When considering the baggage Bradley brings along...........the value plummets.

 

I'm glad Hendry stayed away.

 

 

has hendry proven to be a better gm than beane? i don't think so.

 

Billy Beane hasn't won anything! He's no better than Hendry! Its a good thing you don't run the Cubs! You love Moneyball! DePodesta failed! Riccardi is a spendthrift! Epstein was secretly fired because he was inept! Stop the Beane manlove!

 

Its the standard anti-Beane stuff I usually receive. I thought you might enjoy it, Abuck.

 

i do sleep w/ a copy of moneyball under my pillow.

 

 

 

 

With OBP embroidered(sp?) on one pillow case, and OPS on the other??

 

 

8)

[Salazar89]

Bradley is a high risk/high reward acquisition. Beane due to budget constraints is willing out of necessity to make such a deal. Hendry and a number of GM's who most would agree are more skilled then Hendry took a pass on Bradley.........for good reason.

 

The fact that the remaining options are fairly poor, is only a further indication of how unattractive the additional baggage Bradley carries is to a potential suitor.

[Lefty]

I am thinking for some reason that Bradley is still gonna be a Cub with us doing a deal with Oakland.I think Hendry had made him a target and couldn't get a deal done with the Dodgers now he can trade with Beane instead. Remember Barrett?

 

Could you be more of an optimist?

[Kingmanarama]

He is, at the very least, a little incident-prone, isn't he?

 

Yep, but you ignored quoting the part of my post where I said that. Thanks for that!

 

Apologies.

 

But over the past three seasons Bradley has missed approximately a full season's worth of games, and it wasn't because he was platooned. I would have been disappointed to see the Cubs trade for him. Not nearly as disappointed as I'll be when we sign Jones, but still...