Tejada wants to be traded

[oldcubsfan]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

seriously...post of the day.

 

you say, 'try rbi's and hr's.' then the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you say selective use of numbers is meaningless. was it hard to type that w/ a straight face?

Don't you feel all numbers are important?

[UK1679666180]

What ratio are you looking for as far as a platoon?

 

It is a fact that LH'ers typically hit worse vs. LH'ers than RH'ers vs. RH'ers b/c LH'ers typically throw at a slightly lower angle which creates a higher deception factor and more importantly, a frequency factor. LH'ers will often face less LH'ers than vice versa.

 

Plus, given the infrequency of LH'ers it creates a nice opportunity to give a LH'ed hitter (especially when the hitter is deserving a starting yet not a great hitter, like Walker) a day off.

Edited December 9, 2005 by UK

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Todd Walker being a better ballplayer than Tejada is just plain laughable.

 

Are you reading this thread at all?

 

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to Abreu and Dunn. Both those guys are consistently over a 900 OPS, Abreu 1000. Tejada in his best year in his prime couldn't get to 900.

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to that class.

 

That's because I value SS's more than you do.

[abuck1220]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

seriously...post of the day.

 

you say, 'try rbi's and hr's.' then the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you say selective use of numbers is meaningless. was it hard to type that w/ a straight face?

Don't you feel all numbers are important?

 

obviously.

 

it's just pretty damn funny to see someone call a poster out on using selective numbers and then select the two numbers that help your argument the most.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

seriously...post of the day.

 

you say, 'try rbi's and hr's.' then the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you say selective use of numbers is meaningless. was it hard to type that w/ a straight face?

Don't you feel all numbers are important?

 

how can you compare RBI totals as they bat in different spots in the lineup? HR? fine.

[jmajew]

Realistic trade possibility?

 

Orioles get: Zito

Red Sox get: Tejada

A's get: Marte and Nixon

 

Then add in some prospects to even it out a bit, if needed.

Edited December 9, 2005 by jmajew

[Drew Doughty]

Realistic trade possibility?

 

Orioles get: Zito

Red Sox get: Tejada

A's get: Marte

 

Then add in some prospects to even it out a bit, if needed.

 

No, because I don't think they're stupid enough to trade him within the division.

[wolf stansson]

Is there seriously an argument that someone is trying to say Todd Walker is anywhere near the player Miguel Tejada is?

[CuseCubFan69]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

seriously...post of the day.

 

you say, 'try rbi's and hr's.' then the VERY NEXT SENTENCE you say selective use of numbers is meaningless. was it hard to type that w/ a straight face?

Don't you feel all numbers are important?

 

how can you compare RBI totals as they bat in different spots in the lineup? HR? fine.

 

There's a reason why Miggy hits 3rd or 4th, he produces.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Todd Walker being a better ballplayer than Tejada is just plain laughable.

 

Are you reading this thread at all?

 

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to Abreu and Dunn. Both those guys are consistently over a 900 OPS, Abreu 1000. Tejada in his best year in his prime couldn't get to 900.

 

I agree they generate more run however because miggy does play SS his VORP was higher...

Edited December 9, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[Fro]

You shouldn't be comparing Tejada's OPS to Abreu's OPS, but the difference in OPS between the Cedeno/Nefury two-headed monster versus Tejada and Mid-Tier corner OF versus Abreu.

[RynoRules]

Todd Walker being a better ballplayer than Tejada is just plain laughable.

 

Are you reading this thread at all?

 

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to Abreu and Dunn. Both those guys are consistently over a 900 OPS, Abreu 1000. Tejada in his best year in his prime couldn't get to 900.

 

I dont see how you can compare Tejada to Abreu and Dunn; Tejada is an SS and his worth is therefore measured differently, IMO.

[abuck1220]

Is there seriously an argument that someone is trying to say Todd Walker is anywhere near the player Miguel Tejada is?

 

yeah, somebody said they should name a stadium after walker and that tejada should be banished from the game.

 

 

no, i really don't think anyone said that.

[CuseCubFan69]

Todd Walker being a better ballplayer than Tejada is just plain laughable.

 

Are you reading this thread at all?

 

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to Abreu and Dunn. Both those guys are consistently over a 900 OPS, Abreu 1000. Tejada in his best year in his prime couldn't get to 900.

 

I consider defense too CPatt...not just hitting.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Todd Walker being a better ballplayer than Tejada is just plain laughable.

 

Are you reading this thread at all?

 

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to Abreu and Dunn. Both those guys are consistently over a 900 OPS, Abreu 1000. Tejada in his best year in his prime couldn't get to 900.

 

I consider defense too CPatt...not just hitting.

 

Tejada is an average defender, maybe even slightly below average.

[rawaction]

You shouldn't be comparing Tejada's OPS to Abreu's OPS, but the difference in OPS between the Cedeno/Nefury two-headed monster versus Tejada and Mid-Tier corner OF versus Abreu.

 

Exactly. Like it or not, a SS with an .840 OPS is more valuable than an OF 100 points higher. That's the way the market works. Supply and demand. That being said, I'm on the fence on trading Williams, Pie, Hill and Cedeno for him. Funny, if the Cubs still had Pinto and Nolasco, that decision isn't as hard. I probably wouldn't trade that much though.

[CuseCubFan69]

Todd Walker being a better ballplayer than Tejada is just plain laughable.

 

Are you reading this thread at all?

 

IMO he's in shock that Walker is even being compared to Tejada. Walkers a nice player and underappreciated but I have Tejada in the same class a Abreu and Dunn and Walker is far below that IMO. I see the numbers that have been thrown out there and having a 300/35 HR guy at SS is a luxury I would like the Cubs to have. We just differ on how we would make this team better in this case.

 

Tejada isn't even close to Abreu and Dunn. Both those guys are consistently over a 900 OPS, Abreu 1000. Tejada in his best year in his prime couldn't get to 900.

 

I consider defense too CPatt...not just hitting.

 

Tejada is an average defender, maybe even slightly below average.

 

Really....are you sure? I know that Dunn is horrible in left and Abreu is average in right.

[stitchface]

I think he is now slightly below average. I would trade any cubs prospects for him in a heartbeat. We'd still need a RF but we could probably live with Bradley or Floyd out there and have a very good team. If you're not willing to trade Cubs prospects, is there a can't miss in the bunch, for a shot at winning the world series, you're not trying. I would keep Walker of course.

[CuseCubFan69]

You shouldn't be comparing Tejada's OPS to Abreu's OPS, but the difference in OPS between the Cedeno/Nefury two-headed monster versus Tejada and Mid-Tier corner OF versus Abreu.

 

Exactly. Like it or not, a SS with an .840 OPS is more valuable than an OF 100 points higher. That's the way the market works. Supply and demand. That being said, I'm on the fence on trading Williams, Pie, Hill and Cedeno for him. Funny, if the Cubs still had Pinto and Nolasco, that decision isn't as hard. I probably wouldn't trade that much though.

 

IMO that Pierre trade hurt the chances of getting a true impact bat in right.

 

 

Or short. :D

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You shouldn't be comparing Tejada's OPS to Abreu's OPS, but the difference in OPS between the Cedeno/Nefury two-headed monster versus Tejada and Mid-Tier corner OF versus Abreu.

 

Exactly. Like it or not, a SS with an .840 OPS is more valuable than an OF 100 points higher. That's the way the market works. Supply and demand. That being said, I'm on the fence on trading Williams, Pie, Hill and Cedeno for him. Funny, if the Cubs still had Pinto and Nolasco, that decision isn't as hard. I probably wouldn't trade that much though.

 

I really don't know how we could say that we were in better shape to win both short-term and long if we traded all 4 for Tejada.

[rawaction]

I think he is now slightly below average. I would trade any cubs prospects for him in a heartbeat. We'd still need a RF but we could probably live with Bradley or Floyd out there and have a very good team. If you're not willing to trade Cubs prospects, is there a can't miss in the bunch, for a shot at winning the world series, you're not trying. I would keep Walker of course.

 

There's a difference between ANY prospect and the 4 best, 2 days after trading your only other close to the majors talent. The Cubs create a hole in the rotation (and backup in the rotation), and still haven't filled their biggest hole. Now they have $12M less to fill them with.

[stitchface]

You shouldn't be comparing Tejada's OPS to Abreu's OPS, but the difference in OPS between the Cedeno/Nefury two-headed monster versus Tejada and Mid-Tier corner OF versus Abreu.

 

Exactly. Like it or not, a SS with an .840 OPS is more valuable than an OF 100 points higher. That's the way the market works. Supply and demand. That being said, I'm on the fence on trading Williams, Pie, Hill and Cedeno for him. Funny, if the Cubs still had Pinto and Nolasco, that decision isn't as hard. I probably wouldn't trade that much though.

 

Why are you on the fence? Pie is the only one amongst them that has any chance to be seriously regrettable and that is, frankly, a long shot at this point given his lack of plate discipline. Williams, Hill and Cedeno look like major league regulars as their ceiling. We aren't the Royals or Twins, we don't have to generate major league regulars (though it helps). I wouldn't trade Prior, but to not trade prospects is foolish, particularly the mediocre crop we have.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think he is now slightly below average. I would trade any cubs prospects for him in a heartbeat. We'd still need a RF but we could probably live with Bradley or Floyd out there and have a very good team. If you're not willing to trade Cubs prospects, is there a can't miss in the bunch, for a shot at winning the world series, you're not trying. I would keep Walker of course.

 

How are you going to get Bradley or Floyd if you trade Williams, Pie, Hill, and Cedeno for Tejada? And what do you do about the rotation?

[rawaction]

You shouldn't be comparing Tejada's OPS to Abreu's OPS, but the difference in OPS between the Cedeno/Nefury two-headed monster versus Tejada and Mid-Tier corner OF versus Abreu.

 

Exactly. Like it or not, a SS with an .840 OPS is more valuable than an OF 100 points higher. That's the way the market works. Supply and demand. That being said, I'm on the fence on trading Williams, Pie, Hill and Cedeno for him. Funny, if the Cubs still had Pinto and Nolasco, that decision isn't as hard. I probably wouldn't trade that much though.

 

I really don't know how we could say that we were in better shape to win both short-term and long if we traded all 4 for Tejada.

 

We didn't.