12/03 College Football

[adamb0719]

If Quinn feels he's NFL ready, I don't think he should put off for a year to try to get a better spot in a weaker class. There's been too many players that have great Junior years and poor senior years. But, if the chance to compete for the National Title and/or Heisman is worth risking that payday to him, then it's not a bad decision at all to stay.

 

That is why I respect Leinart so much. He chose to stay even though he could have left and instantly been rich, and in the process risked injuries or having a bad year (Although he does have a nice insurance policy, just in case he gets hurt.) Ihope next year I have the same respect for Quinn. However if he changes his mind and decides to go, I can't blame him one bit. I could not imagine having a decision like that to make.

[Andy]

If Quinn feels he's NFL ready, I don't think he should put off for a year to try to get a better spot in a weaker class. There's been too many players that have great Junior years and poor senior years. But, if the chance to compete for the National Title and/or Heisman is worth risking that payday to him, then it's not a bad decision at all to stay.

 

That is why I respect Leinart so much. He chose to stay even though he could have left and instantly been rich, and in the process risked injuries or having a bad year (Although he does have a nice insurance policy, just in case he gets hurt.) Ihope next year I have the same respect for Quinn. However if he changes his mind and decides to go, I can't blame him one bit. I could not imagine having a decision like that to make.

I have faith in Brady to stick to his guns and make the decision to stay at ND. He clearly wants to win a national title, and whether he admits it or not, probably also wants a Heisman, and I think he's willing to stay that last year to get it. I also think that, like Leinart, Quinn loves the college life too much to cut it a year short.

 

I hope I'm not eating my words a couple of months from now, but I'm still about 90 percent sure that he's staying.

[adamb0719]

If Quinn feels he's NFL ready, I don't think he should put off for a year to try to get a better spot in a weaker class. There's been too many players that have great Junior years and poor senior years. But, if the chance to compete for the National Title and/or Heisman is worth risking that payday to him, then it's not a bad decision at all to stay.

 

That is why I respect Leinart so much. He chose to stay even though he could have left and instantly been rich, and in the process risked injuries or having a bad year (Although he does have a nice insurance policy, just in case he gets hurt.) Ihope next year I have the same respect for Quinn. However if he changes his mind and decides to go, I can't blame him one bit. I could not imagine having a decision like that to make.

I have faith in Brady to stick to his guns and make the decision to stay at ND. He clearly wants to win a national title, and whether he admits it or not, probably also wants a Heisman, and I think he's willing to stay that last year to get it. I also think that, like Leinart, Quinn loves the college life too much to cut it a year short.

 

I hope I'm not eating my words a couple of months from now, but I'm still about 90 percent sure that he's staying.

 

His Mom already admitted it for him. :D

[CuseCubFan69]

If Quinn feels he's NFL ready, I don't think he should put off for a year to try to get a better spot in a weaker class. There's been too many players that have great Junior years and poor senior years. But, if the chance to compete for the National Title and/or Heisman is worth risking that payday to him, then it's not a bad decision at all to stay.

 

That is why I respect Leinart so much. He chose to stay even though he could have left and instantly been rich, and in the process risked injuries or having a bad year (Although he does have a nice insurance policy, just in case he gets hurt.) Ihope next year I have the same respect for Quinn. However if he changes his mind and decides to go, I can't blame him one bit. I could not imagine having a decision like that to make.

I have faith in Brady to stick to his guns and make the decision to stay at ND. He clearly wants to win a national title, and whether he admits it or not, probably also wants a Heisman, and I think he's willing to stay that last year to get it. I also think that, like Leinart, Quinn loves the college life too much to cut it a year short.

 

I hope I'm not eating my words a couple of months from now, but I'm still about 90 percent sure that he's staying.

 

I'm sure the Irish will be thrilled to be able to hold for him for another year. The Syracuse kids haven't complined about holding all year and the whole defensive line was amazed on how much the ND offensive line got away with.

[Derwood]

Quinn doesn't ant the Heisman. It's the NFL kiss of death.

 

Great ending to that MAC Title game. No chance NIU will get picked up for a bowl anyways?

[NewUserName]

Wouldnt it make more sense to leave this year and fall to #10 or so in the draft. Get drafted by a better team. who would you rather get drafted by San Francisco or the Dolphins?(this is just hypothetical, I know the 49ers have alex smith) It may make more sense to leave this year. Also there is no guarantee that he will be in the Heisman running next year. ND could just as easily drop to 7-4 next year, since QBs are tied to team wins he may be out of the running early and still not get drafted higher than 10. Like Matt Leinart I do hope he comes back it would be alot better for college football but I certainly would understand if he left.

[Derwood]

Wouldnt it make more sense to leave this year and fall to #10 or so in the draft. Get drafted by a better team. who would you rather get drafted by San Francisco or the Dolphins?(this is just hypothetical, I know the 49ers have alex smith) It may make more sense to leave this year. Also there is no guarantee that he will be in the Heisman running next year. ND could just as easily drop to 7-4 next year, since QBs are tied to team wins he may be out of the running early and still not get drafted higher than 10. Like Matt Leinart I do hope he comes back it would be alot better for college football but I certainly would understand if he left.

 

Good point. Less money of course when you drop lower in the draft, but I would much rather land on a team like the Redskins or Raiders than on Houston or Arizona.

 

Also, on paper, ND's schedule looks a little tougher next year. Despite playing three branches of the Armed Forces, ND does lose the two Big East flops (Syracuse and Pitt) and adds a pair of mid-level ACC squads (Georgia Tech and North Carolina). Plus Penn State, Michigan and UCLA at home and USC on the road to end the season. Seems like a tough road to the National Championship

[goonys evil twin]

Wouldnt it make more sense to leave this year and fall to #10 or so in the draft. Get drafted by a better team. who would you rather get drafted by San Francisco or the Dolphins?(this is just hypothetical, I know the 49ers have alex smith) It may make more sense to leave this year. Also there is no guarantee that he will be in the Heisman running next year. ND could just as easily drop to 7-4 next year, since QBs are tied to team wins he may be out of the running early and still not get drafted higher than 10. Like Matt Leinart I do hope he comes back it would be alot better for college football but I certainly would understand if he left.

 

Good point. Less money of course when you drop lower in the draft, but I would much rather land on a team like the Redskins or Raiders than on Houston or Arizona.

 

The money between a top 2-3 pick and a top 10 is quite large.

 

Also, who is to say the team that picks him 1st in 2007 wouldn't be better than the team that picks him 10th in 2006, just a couple years from now. That same theory would have meant people trying to stear clear of Cincy, Indy, New England, San Diego and St. Louis in the past decade, not to mention Dallas in 89/91. All those teams went from crap to good in relatively short time frames (in Cincy's case, they were bad for a long time, but became good in less than 2 years after picking #1 overall). Teams that suck now will probably suck a year from now, but the NFL is the easiest league to go from worst to first within 2-3 years. Getting drafted as an NFL QB is not about your rookie season, what matters is 3-10 years down the road.

 

If I was a stud college QB with a choice, I would much rather get drafted 1st/2nd next year, get my $50+m, have a year or two to learn on the job without the pressures of winning the big games, than get $15-20m this year, and play for a below average team that expects me to make them great right now.

 

Obviously there are other things to consider. I would like my team to have a good O line and a foundation for improvement.

 

But would it really be all that better to be drafted by the Raiders this year, a team that routinely finishes in the middle of the pack and underperforms, over any team that might finish last in 2006? The mediocre team isn't a guarantee to be any better than the crappy team 3 years down the road.

[adamb0719]

ESPN Insider did a article on what would happen if Texas, USC, or both lost this weekend.

 

Projected BCS matchups

If Texas loses

Rose Bowl Penn State vs. USC

Orange Bowl Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech

Fiesta Bowl Ohio State/Oregon vs. Colorado

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. LSU

 

Projected BCS matchups

If USC loses

Rose Bowl Texas vs. Penn State

Fiesta Bowl Ohio State vs. USC

Orange Bowl Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. LSU

 

Projected BCS matchups

If USC and Texas lose

Rose Bowl LSU vs. Penn State

Fiesta Bowl Colorado vs. USC

Orange Bowl Ohio State vs. Virginia Tech

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. Notre Dame

[Andy]

ESPN Insider did a article on what would happen if Texas, USC, or both lost this weekend.

 

Projected BCS matchups

If Texas loses

Rose Bowl Penn State vs. USC

Orange Bowl Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech

Fiesta Bowl Ohio State/Oregon vs. Colorado

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. LSU

 

Projected BCS matchups

If USC loses

Rose Bowl Texas vs. Penn State

Fiesta Bowl Ohio State vs. USC

Orange Bowl Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. LSU

 

Projected BCS matchups

If USC and Texas lose

Rose Bowl LSU vs. Penn State

Fiesta Bowl Colorado vs. USC

Orange Bowl Ohio State vs. Virginia Tech

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. Notre Dame

The fact that Insider would consider Texas out ofthe BCS if they lose is ridiculous to me. If SC and Texas both lost this weekend, I'd fully expect them to be the two at-large teams to replace ND and O$U, leaving the Irish in the Gator Bowl as they were as a BCS-eligible team in 2002.

[Derwood]

ESPN Insider did a article on what would happen if Texas, USC, or both lost this weekend.

 

Projected BCS matchups

If Texas loses

Rose Bowl Penn State vs. USC

Orange Bowl Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech

Fiesta Bowl Ohio State/Oregon vs. Colorado

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. LSU

 

Projected BCS matchups

If USC loses

Rose Bowl Texas vs. Penn State

Fiesta Bowl Ohio State vs. USC

Orange Bowl Notre Dame vs. Virginia Tech

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. LSU

 

Projected BCS matchups

If USC and Texas lose

Rose Bowl LSU vs. Penn State

Fiesta Bowl Colorado vs. USC

Orange Bowl Ohio State vs. Virginia Tech

Sugar Bowl West Virginia vs. Notre Dame

The fact that Insider would consider Texas out ofthe BCS if they lose is ridiculous to me. If SC and Texas both lost this weekend, I'd fully expect them to be the two at-large teams to replace ND and O$U, leaving the Irish in the Gator Bowl as they were as a BCS-eligible team in 2002.

 

Hey look, we agree on something! No way USC and Texas drop completely out of the BCS picture if they lose this week. That would really be a black eye on the system

[shnsajax]

I have a hard time believing they both drop from the NC with a loss. USC won't get jumped by both PSU and LSU.

[Jon]

Yeah. That's just not going to happen (as much as I'd like it to).

[Andy]

Yeah. That's just not going to happen (as much as I'd like it to).

It's unimportant because USC isn't going to lose anyway.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yeah. That's just not going to happen (as much as I'd like it to).

It's unimportant because USC isn't going to lose anyway.

 

Neither is Texas... I expect both teams to win by at least 20.

[NewUserName]

If USC loses tomorow wouldnt UCLA be the Pac Ten champions? Wouldnt they get the automatic bid? Am I miss informed? I really did read or hear somewhere that UCLA would be the pac ten champions if they win tomorow

[B]

Louisiana Tech (my alma mater) is spanking up on Fresno right now. :) Edited December 3, 2005 by B

[B]

Tech is awesome. They could probably beat USC

[cubweiser03]

I like Brady Quinn as a pro better than Leinart. Leinart has a lollipop arm. Quinns is strong and accurate. Brady should think twice about who is going to return with him next year, especially the Oline. 3 of the 5 starters on the Oline are seniors, backups for 2 of those positions are also seniors, the other third senior's backup is a freshman. Stoval is gone too.

[EricG]

If USC loses tomorow wouldnt UCLA be the Pac Ten champions? Wouldnt they get the automatic bid? Am I miss informed? I really did read or hear somewhere that UCLA would be the pac ten champions if they win tomorow

 

PAC 10 tiebreaker rules

b. Multiple-Team Ties.

When three or more teams are tied in Conference play, if one has defeated all the others, it shall be the Rose Bowl representative. If that is not the case, a team defeated by all other tied teams shall be eliminated and the appropriate two-team or multiple-team selection procedures will be utilized.

 

 

 

 

 

If more than two teams are still tied, each team's record against the team occupying the highest position in the final regular season standings that each team has played shall be compared, with the procedure continuing down through the standings until one team gains an advantage.

 

When arriving at another group of tied teams while comparing records, use each team's collective record against the tied teams as a group.

 

 

If at any point the multiple-team tie is reduced to two teams, the two-team tie-breaking procedure should be applied.

 

If two or more teams are still tied after comparing their records all the way through the Conference standings, the team with the highest ranking in the final BCS standings shall be the Rose Bowl representative.

 

If a tie remains, the team most recently earning Rose Bowl or Bowl Championship Series automatic selection shall be eliminated.

 

 

Assuming a USC loss to UCLA, there would be a 3 way tie UCLA-Oregon-USC. Since UCLA didn't beat Oregon (they didn't play) it goes to the next tiebreaker. It goes through the standings through Arizona. Since Arizona beat UCLA, UCLA is eliminated. It is now down to Oregon and since USC beat Oregon, USC wins.

[Andy]

I like Brady Quinn as a pro better than Leinart. Leinart has a lollipop arm. Quinns is strong and accurate. Brady should think twice about who is going to return with him next year, especially the Oline. 3 of the 5 starters on the Oline are seniors, backups for 2 of those positions are also seniors, the other third senior's backup is a freshman. Stoval is gone too.

Weis had something like an eight-man rotation on the O-line this year, and I think that in addition to one starter, two backups will be back. I doubt the O-line will suffer that precipitous a drop.

 

As for Stovall leaving, guess who isn't. Rhema McKnight, who's coming back for his extra year after losing this one due to a leg injury. Rhema may not have Stovall's pro tools but he's pretty darn close to as good as Maurice IMO.

 

With Quinn/Walker/Samardzija/Rhema back next year, ND's offense would look to be loaded for 2006.

 

You certainly aren't the first to say Quinn is a better pro prospect than Leinart, however. I've said for the last month or so that if you switch Leinart and Quinn, Leinart's Irish and Quinn's Trojans would probably still have the same record, but Quinn's USC team wouldn't have had near as many close calls as the real Trojans

[NewUserName]

This is why the Pac Ten doesnt get any respect. In games against the 3 teams that would be tied UCLA would be 1-0, USC 1-1 and oregon 0-1.

 

Of course saying that I still think that USC is a better team and would make for a better BCS game than UCLA.

 

About Quinn being a better pro prospect all I am going to say is I dont trust southpaws to be qbs in the NFL

[B]

Yeah....I don't Steve Young made it. :roll:

[adamb0719]

I like Brady Quinn as a pro better than Leinart. Leinart has a lollipop arm. Quinns is strong and accurate. Brady should think twice about who is going to return with him next year, especially the Oline. 3 of the 5 starters on the Oline are seniors, backups for 2 of those positions are also seniors, the other third senior's backup is a freshman. Stoval is gone too.

Weis had something like an eight-man rotation on the O-line this year, and I think that in addition to one starter, two backups will be back. I doubt the O-line will suffer that precipitous a drop.

 

As for Stovall leaving, guess who isn't. Rhema McKnight, who's coming back for his extra year after losing this one due to a leg injury. Rhema may not have Stovall's pro tools but he's pretty darn close to as good as Maurice IMO.

 

With Quinn/Walker/Samardzija/Rhema back next year, ND's offense would look to be loaded for 2006.

 

You certainly aren't the first to say Quinn is a better pro prospect than Leinart, however. I've said for the last month or so that if you switch Leinart and Quinn, Leinart's Irish and Quinn's Trojans would probably still have the same record, but Quinn's USC team wouldn't have had near as many close calls as the real Trojans

 

Sean Salsbury did a big interview about this with Cowherd awhile back. He said Quinn is the first quarterback since Young that you can look at and know he will be great in the NFL. He did not think that Leinart has all the tools to be great, but Quinn does. I forget exactly what he said Leinarts flaw was, but I think it was either throwing on the run, or mobility to scramble effectively. He said that in five years Quinn will be an NFL star.

 

NDistops, you are right about the Oline. I think they only will be replacing two starters, based on the rotation that Weis used. Also Fassano is 5th year eligable, and they have Horde and Grimes who, IMO, are going to be very good. Really their offense is losing Shelton and Stovall (who will be replaced w/Mcknight, who is just as good), more than likely Fassano, RPN (who was suspended most the season for a DUI) and 2 Oline spots. Not to shabby, IMO. Oh yea, they also have a five star RB coming in by the name of James Aldridge who is the 5th ranked RB, and Jackson the 13th ranked WR. Plus Walker and Thomas will be back.

[stuy119]

What would be worse IMO is if college football had a playoff the fact that Florida St or Colorado would be one of the 8 or 16 teams would just be wrong.

 

Yes and no, Cuse. FSU is struggling this year because of recruiting woes over the past three years, compounded by injuries. When this team was healthy, let's not forget they were 7-0. After that, they lost 3 of their starting OL, and 3 of their top 6 DL members. Since that point, it's all been downhill.

 

That said, it's not going to get better in the next couple of years, in spite of all the talent we have at the skill positions (which will make many on here quite happy, I'm sure). We've had OL classes the last couple of years that are probably similar to Kentucky's than anyone else - and that's not good for a top-flight program.

 

Jeff Bowden is a problem, but not as large a problem as recruiting has been lately. We need a monster OL class this year, and it's not looking good - or it's looking good due to solid silent commitments.

 

With that said, the players are extremely pissed at their performance from the Florida game, and some pride is on the line. I can't say that I agree with what others think, but don't be surprised if FSU comes out trying the same scheme Miami used to crush VT and makes a game of it.

 

I just can't see it. Liberty Bowl for us - UGH!